Nick Mallett wants to wrap Kolisi in cotton wool....

....like Richie McCaw. Ready to captain the Boks at the RWC in 2023. Good old Nick a sycophant in mid season form.

"Good old Nick a sycophant in mid season form."

What we call a "gatkruiper" in Afrikaans.

Unlike many on here, I actually value Kolisi as player, but he's not more important than any of the other cogs that clicked into something more than the sum of the parts.

Kolisi....a slowish centre....de Wet Barry was more physical and a better fetcher.

Saf, very good attacking forward indeed...agree with the class act....and there's really no one else making a credible challenge for the position, so I really don't get the complaints...not like the next Schalk Burger is breaking the door down. 

Mallett also suggested in a recent  discussion that SA rugby be re-organized and that there be only four major teams on the second level of rugby in SA, namely -

*    The Sharks

*    The Stormers 

*    The Lions and Bulls be united in one team

*     And that the Kings be built up as the 4th major SA team.

The problem is that the way to go will be to sell of the Kings - there was talk that the owner of Toulon may be interested.   SARU will certainly help him through allocation of players and players like Kolisi and Am could lead the team. 

What do you think of that one?             

De wet Barry’s hits made Kolisi’s hits look like a Mosquito  bite. A bog ordinary player for years suddenly lifted by the Bok success....ditto the Duds. As for Kleintjie Kriel....not international material, even Kolisi is a better bet.

Our best attacking forward is RG, then Duane. Kolisi is lazy, passive and the bulk of his tackle numbers are unnecessary tackle assists, often just barely adding more than a hand or two. He is nothing more than a hollow token selection because of the sob story that people eat up. He is not worthy of being a Bok. He never was. He is a back masquerading as a forward. He should have been a centre. He has already outshone Damian in that capacity a few times, and José Erasmus most often groups him with Willie and Kriel out wide any way - keeping him mostly out of heavy traffic. He is no threat on the ground and isn't a significant carrier where there is little space, or in the vicinity of heavy hitters. He has no impact on defence either. Like Damian and Steph, he is a nice guy, but not a good rugby player. He may have been one had he realized his potential amongst the backs. To say that he could apply more physicality that Barry is laughable. In fact, I'd diagnose that as insanity. Barry was feared. He also ended the career of Kefu. In fact, his defence singlehandedly turned that 2003 test in our favour. When did Kolisi ever impact a test with even a single quality tackle, much less derail an entire gameplan with multiple pressures and tackles? Not many Boks can claim that level of influence. I'd have to list the likes of Frans, Esterhuizen, Bakkies, Schalk, Fourie, Butch et al for examples of such influence. 

The ignorant fool at it again - hi s list of feared players is hugely finny.- LMAO,    

Esterhuizen derailed Australia's entire attacking game twice, doing what noone else could do: Stop Kerevi dead in his tracks on his own! His accurate and clever movement off the ball repeatedly catching attackers well behind the gainline, and forced them to either abandon the wide game or force the pass early and diminish their effectiveness. Fourie has saved entire tests with great defence, shall we recall the home Kiwi test of 2010, where the All Blacks had us on the ropes for the first 30 minutes? His four intercepts prevented certain tries and that helped us soak up enough pressure to get into the contest and squeeze New Zealand out of the remainder of the game, a game where we nearly nilled them! The combination of Butch, Frans and Fourie was so feared that teams were very reluctant to challenge us physically in the interior. It was absolutely brutal, but the containment was so tight that the opposition were corralled into tight lanes for big hits irregardless. Schalk was a menace on defence, and is the only Bok I have ever seen who made three successive tackles in a row, and not close to one another. Bakkies was Bakkies. In fact, no true Bok fan would require an explanation for why these names have been influential on defence. A true Bok fan would have known these things.

I don't agree that Kolisi is our best player, he had a great World Cup final game and that he must be given credit for, but he only lasted for 51 minutes and is not a player that can play a full game

He is definitely not a power tackler, but more or of an opportunistic tackle. Watch the game between SA and AB during the championship. Kolisi got bull dozed over the try line. I will not want him in my last line of defence. Louw made a huge difference and got stuck into close down the game. The same for the World Cup final.

Rubbish, that you no longer have players to compete on the deck. Louw showed how should be done. 

Kolisi is also never near the fringes, he always shift out wide and never make the first hit, he is always assisting tackles or pushing up on to the scrum halve

He is definitely good on attacks, but doesn't come close to Tom Curry or Ardie Savea 

So to me he is not world class

Esterhuizen's  defense was found wanting in some of the tests he played in.   I can remember looking at 6 tests he played in in 2018 in which he made 22 tackles missing 5  - in five tests De Allende played in he made 42 tackles and missed 5.   

Esterhuizen is also clumsy with poor ball skills - those are two more reasons why Erasmus would rather go with Steyn - who also did not really make the grade in the WC.  

The players you mentioned were slow and poor in all aspects bar tackles in TRAFFIC  - they were useless in most tests from a  general defense perspective,    Steyn was poor in defense for years starting off in the 2007 WC when he missed four tackles.    His defense on Super Rugby level was a joke as well.   That is why it was extremely dicey to play him at center - that is why Plumtree clearly said he is NO center at all. 

By the way - since Fransie did not play in the 2010 tests against New Zealand - you must have meant the most useless flyhalf in the history of SA Rugby - Morne Steyn.   He became a total liability in defense in the Meyer years as was evident in many matches.  Morne a good defender - blaas my siel.  Another idiotic comment from the biggest dud ever on site,  LMAO            

Hooper and Savea, the best in the business....thanks for endorsing my pick of Savea over DudToit.

Mozart

Who is that stupid?

So all the NZ coaches are stupid......Savea is better than any flank we have, blindside or open side. And he is in a different league to Kolisi.

Kolisi only survives internationally because of the brawn of the Bok pack, because Vermeulen and Marx can compete on the deck.....and because Louw can come on in the critical last 15 minutes, as in the Wales semi.

This is a sentimental pick Dave

Kolisi at the WC:

Against ABs....4 runs for 3 metres/0breaks/0 defenders beaten. 8 tackles/3 missed

Against  Japan 3 runs for 2 metres/0 breaks/0 defenders beaten. 11 tackles/0 missed.

Against Wales 2 runs for 16 metres/1 break/ 0 defenders beaten. 8 tackles/0 missed.

Against England 3 runs for 7 metres/ 0 breaks/0 defenders beaten.13 tackles/0 missed.

He also coughed the ball up 3 times in these matches.....a process tackler and ineffective runner who never beat one tackle against top level opposition In the whole World Cup. A passenger who made for a nice story.

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Good point Mozart, did he actually steal any balls, won any penalties. For me the real Captain was Duane Vermeulen. He is 33, stayed the entire final on the field and had a massive impact. Was also the captain the Kolisi got substituted 

I agree on Vermeulen, the captain stayed on the field when Louw came on and Kolisi departed in the Wales semi final ....with the scores tied at 16 to 16 and the World Cup in the balance. No coach subs his captain at that point unless he is physically impaired. He never subbed Vermeulen.

The difference is Vermeulen is a big game player and can lift his level. Kolisi did his best at the WC, the only way he lifts his level is if the game becomes much looser....which doesn’t happen at WCs.

Kolisi is a total non entity. He gives you one big run or two each season and nothing more. He's even a passenger in those open games. It's all too much for him to handle. 

KK 

Pollard was Captain after Kolisi left  he was the Vice-Captain all along and took over.  The vice captaincy then went to Du Toit.   So you are wrong about Vermeulen,  

Mozart

You are still stuck in the Middle Ages when it comes to rugby,  The dead 10 man game is not played anymore whether it is in WC finals or not.   We tried it still in 2015 in the semi and we failed.    Playing rugby nowadays means scoring of tries and the fact is that we were unsuccessful and consequently failed.   You are right about the finals in 1995 and 2007 - when New Zealand and England played the same game as we did.  

Remember the norm nowadays is  COMPREHENSI VE RUGBY which you obviously do not understand.    

So I just went through the stats for the entire World Cup, Vermeulen racked up more minutes, made more meters, more steals than Kolisi

Kolisi best him in only and that is tackling and and tackle success, but then he is an opensider, so you expect your opensider to make more tackles that your 8 man

I wasn't impress with Kolisi in the championship, the year before either. He just can't finish a game and has bulked up too much. He doesn't have the natural physique to carry the wait.

When he was light, he was a far better attacking player, but to me he is a 7 and runs intelligent lines and likes to camp out on the wing.

Kolisi, when lighter, would simply get run over. He still hasn't got much stopping power, but he can break through backline defenders. He doesn't simply like to hang out wide, he is specifically positioned wider. He is often the forward paired with the 13 and 15 out wide, and can function as a cleaner for wide carries. We often hear about how powerful individual forwards are, but the power of the Boks is in their organization around the field. Groups of two and three supporting the carrier to ensure that possession is not only secured but controlled. This aspect of the Bok game is actually quite good. If you go back to the All Black loss in the WC, you'll see how the likes of Malherbe (who I actually like at 3) was a tick of the pace, and that really didn't. We looked more in control than we actually were, as the All Blacks kept us at arms length. Kolisi is a better candidate for centre, his handling isn't much worse than that of most of our centres - our distribution skills are actually quite weak across the board. He is passive, but he has explosive ability. As a forward, his defence is weak. It really depends on how he is utilized. I don't and won't see him as a true forward. As a blindsider, he is way off the mark for what the Boks require; as an opensider, he has been a passenger and a liability. To think, Brussow was omitted because of his height and for not being a lineout option; Kolisi has been almost always a designated receiver at lineouts and is inferior in every way to the great Brussow as a carrier, defender and pilfer, as well as being much stronger, tougher, more intelligent and mentally switched on (proactive). One is heralded as some kind of deity, the other discarded. Only in SA. Nothing quite like it.

Francois Pienaar and John Smit were not the best players in their positions when they won their Rugby World Cups...the Bok Captaincy has always been about more than just playing ability...that does not mean that they were undeserved passengers in the side...it is not always possible to judge the value of a player within a team setup by his performance n the pitch...we don't get to see the inner workings of the team...weak teams don't win world cups...we had some luck, but our victory was no fluke.