Nick Mallett wants to wrap Kolisi in cotton wool....

Smit was elite as a player and leader. You cannot begin to ever compare the two. Every hooker that was said to be better failed to live up to the hype. That includes Gary Botha and Bismarck, the two biggest threats. Chili came closest in 2010 to 2011. Kolisi isn't just "not the best in his position", he is a total absentee most of each game and has no leadership ability or presence on the field. If we have to have a black captain, I'd go Bongi now, but even Beast was a better bet in the run up to the last WC. Rassie needlessly hamstrung the team by electing Kolisi. You can't tell me he has been better than Louw or Kwagga for wholesome production. 

AO

Bad news for you - my little Jack Russell died yesterday suddenly at the age of  over 18 years.  Why I mention this is because he had more knowledge of rugby than you do.

Smit was a slow player - at times he was used as a prop.   He was perhaps good in defense in traffic - but rarely seen outside of that.   He could not make open  field tackles and never played a role at breakdowns.

I am afraid that Bismarck was a much better all round player at hooker and that is a fact. .           

Bismarck was too upright in contact, his footwork into contact was poor. He was an ineffective carrier. His mobility on defence was poor, and his hands were below average. He was never a good lineout thrower. We saw a better Bismarck in 2015, when, for whatever unknown reason, he added a few elements to his game to circumvent his flaws. He could steal ball at the breakdown if he got his hands on it, but was, again, due to his body position, often rolled over like a turtle. He lead Super rugby three years for turnovers conceded, and was top 6 for 7 years. This was significantly more than any possession he won at the breakdown. He ranked very high for penalties conceded too. He was not better than Smit, he was merely stronger than Smit. 

Kolisi is the Damian of loose forwards. He is nowhere near adequate for a Bok jersey. He is the only true quota in the team. He doesn't deserve to be in the squad, he offers the Boks nothing. He has produced nothing aside from four big runs (most leading to nothing) and a break to put Damian away for a try. That's it. His leadership is a figment of your imagination. Watching the likes of Eben and Thor spur the team on, and give powerful messages on the pitch, with Kolisi watching on... it just makes me lose respect for those who laud him as a talismanic figure. He isn't. 

All I can say is that if Omlet-Angie here starts slagging off a player then you should probably re-evaluate that player because he's better than you originally thought.

Baboon-ou and ou Maaik are understandably regarded by many here as the two stupidest posters we've ever had but when it comes to pure rugby matters, Omlet-Angie has them both stone cold.

The best one was "I always trust my eyes", and then to deny video evidence, in slow motion, of Lood missing a tackle. Only you were left, foul-mouthed, in defiance. How many other times? No, you have nothing on me Saffy, neither you, nor Not-Mozart, who darted for cover when I took up his challenge regarding Steph. The two of you can throw insults, but certainly can't talk rugby. The one has fantasy twaddle, the other long lists. Not-Mozart and Lister. 

I read your comments on rugby players and performances with utter amazement - to be quite frank it is meaningless because what you wrote is exactly opposite to what actually happened insofar as player performances are concerned, 

That is why when you make wild statements about players I accept that you are rugby ignorant and deserving pity.   I then accept that whatever you wrote the complete opposite is true/ 

By the way deadhead - I watched  a video clip where ITV gave the top six players n the WC  last year,  There were four Springboks listed, namely Mapimpi, Kolbe, Vermeulen and De Allende  

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/rugby/espn-vs-auge--round-1/30118/

Hard to believe there are those who pump Lomp and Kolisi, when it’s so obvious Eben  and Thor  were way more  important to the cause.

Some of us value the whole team effort and enjoy the crown without looking for negatives....there will always be problems...there are no perfect teams...some teams in history got close...AB team of a few years ago...mid 80s Bok team...McBride's Lions...not many teams...our current team might not be in the same league,  but we deserve the RWC...and all the accolades that comes with it....pity the bloody virus put a stick in our spokes...

That’s not the point though...  the Duds and Kolisi have been pumped big time. What have we heard about Thor, Pollard and especially Etzebeth. Even Faf is somewhat of an after thought. I don’t rate Kolisi and the Duds that much, but if some do, have at it....let the rest of us celebrate the guys who were indispensable to our  WC win.

Hell Etzebeth hardly gets a mention....total nonsense.....he is by far our most dominating forward.

I've celebrated the team since the first warmup match vs Japan...all of them...even the ones who I had my doubts about convinced me in the end. This team had something extra...

IMO the emphasis should be on the team and not any individuals...isolating certain players for praise/blame results in tit for tat arguments...some are hyped too much, others not appreciated enough...it is a team sport after all. 

Vermuelen needs to be kept in cotton wool or preferably frozen cryogenically. He is 34 so he will probably not make it to the next world cup. He should still be a key player against the B&I Lions.

Vermuelen was good in the final. He was a key decision-maker, taking many of the kickoffs.

The points that have been raised about Damian and Steph have been proven to be fact. That is inescapable and irrefutable. There is little point in resisting this. If you want to simply enjoy the win, then that's fine, you don't have to involve yourself in the discussion, but if you do, then you will face these facts each and every time. 

In your deranged mind it may be assumed?   You are right and the rest of the rugby world is wrong - go figure that one out, 

The rest of the Rugby  world doesn’t give a toss about the Bok players....we won the WC .....they had to make a fuss about a few Boks. So they chose Kolisi for obvious reasons, despite the fact that he was a statistical zero. Dud Toit because the SA press said he is the next coming even though he was a non factor in half of a blindsider’ s duties. And  Dud Allende because Biggar tried to strip him instead of tackle and the Tractor who was in donkey low went over the line in slow motion, much to his own great surprise.

Players who made a real difference....the Beast, Etzebeth, Louw, Vermeulen, Faf, Pollard and Kolbe. The rest were fungible. But why would we expect anything intelligent from our scribes and fans.

The rest of the SA does not give a toss when a few members on this site write BS about certain players and deliberately lie in the process,    So less than half of the team contributed to the team winning the world cup.   You write BS all the time. about player contribution and then  think that you are correct.  Louw  was on the field for 18 minutes out of the full game - yet shit head Mozart had to name him.

You also mislead the members on that crucial 5 minutes when the English were attacking in the Boks 22 - the three most important tackles. was made by Malherbe on Billy Vunipola twice nd Du Toit on Young.   Malherbe kept  Vunipola twice from crossing the line.    He was the key to the defense in that period.    So another misleading statement exposed.

As to the semi-final De Allende beat three defenders in scoring the try - that was the tru th - not the lie you peddled.  

Louw’ s turnover assured the semi for us, which until that point was  tied  with Wales in our half. 

Most tackles in the goal line stand were made by Mostert who was constantly moving to the point of danger. Malherbe helped him stop Vunipola once. Malherbe and DudToit both made 11 tackles and missed one....not bad. Mostert made 15 tackles  and missed none.....defensive player of the game,

As for Dud Allende he beat 3 tackles all game against Wales......so you are saying he beat no tackles in his other 10 runs. Toothless either way.

De Allende's try assured the game for the Springboks 

Go and watch that fie minutes again and see what really happened before you come back  with further BS.   In the semi - where Louw was on the bench - I give him credit for the turnover, but not for the penalty he conceded - which directly let to the Wales try.  

As it was the turnover happened in the Springbok half of the field between the ten meter line and the halfway line - but not in any position of danger for the Springboks.   By the way Louw was never going to be a starting Springbok in that series and was a bench player at best.    . 

Wrong the Dud try was  matched by the Adams try.....the match was only decided in minute 76 by the pressure Pollard penalty. Facts matter.

Who gave away the penalty that got the Welsh into the Springboks from where they attacked untol Davis's try -  ask Louw about that one.     

Another issue was the defense of Mostert and Louw - it was  downright poor,   Louw played 40 minutes combined in the semi final Louw made 2 tackles and in the final 3  - ie 40 minutes played -  he made 5 tackles and he was supposed to be a loosie     

Ask Dud Toit about not defending his side of the scrum....getting trapped and creating the overlap. The Adam’s try was handed to him on a plate by Dud’s lack of agility. Thank heavens we never encountered a free flowing team like the ABs  Who could have targeted the lock playing flank.

But thanks for raising the try it almost skipped my mind.

Wrong......Faf committed himself to tackle the Welsh number 8, who offloaded to the scrummie ......but Dud who should have shifted onto the scrummie stayed bound too long, and got trapped behind Faf. That opened the lane.

It was a simple mistake no experienced blindsider would have made, but of course Dud is a bit of a blindside noob, more of an experienced lock.

Fortunately the Louw turnover and Pollard’s great kick saved a match and a World Cup t hat was totally up for grabs after Dud’s mistake.

Another lie exposed and this was discussed in the past and the lie was exposed - whereupon Mozart went quiet.      There were two players between  Du Toit and the scrummie and there was physically no way  di Toit could have got to the scrummie while the scrum turning away from where De Toit was scrumming,   That on its own prove that Mozart is up to his normal shit again. .     

D uplication,

No the ‘lie’ was never exposed. You just ran out of dumb arguments, so there was no need for me to school you again. Any experienced  flank realizes he’s has to be able to disengage instantly once  the ball is  cleared. Dud stayed bound too long.

And how can a flank be blocked on his side of the scrum I ask with tears in my eyes. And the scrum never turned....Faf tackled Moriarty and Dud needed to get outside them, .....he didn’t but the Welsh scrummie did.

Amateur mistake .

Dud makes lots of mistakes. Each and every test, aside from the home Wallaby win of 2018 and the Twickenham test of the same year, is littered with shocking play. He is a tick too slow to react and over commits. Passive players make the same errors repeatedly without learning. How many times does he have to be stepped or taken out of play from a rush with inside leverage before he learns to adjust? We are talking years of the same pattern of behaviour. Unbelievable. I wish I could get employee of the month awards for half heartedly applying myself and getting things wrong. What an easy life! 

Thanks for writing what you did.  When yiu rite sonething on site - the exac opposye of what you write is true.    

Mozart

You have one ability in rugby performance evaluation which other reasonable people lack.   After games where you have minutely looked for non-existent mistakes by players you dislike and then write theoretical and physically things and write that up into mistakes made by players,  When one of your favorites buggered up badly you blame one of your pet hates for what happened.  You do not mind to lie about what actually happened in the process.   We have seen it multiple times and it is always unadulterated BS.     

Dud got trapped behind Faf because he stayed bound too long and wasn’t alert.... that forced Am to come inside....which created a simple overlap. It was all painfully obvious and basic schoolboy stuff. Dud covers the scrummie, no try would have been scored.

Fortunately Louw made that epic turnover.

Balls - another invention with no grounds whatsoever.   This is exactly what I meant with your  imagination running wild when it comes to blaming players you dislike for things that happens in games.  Let me ask you  one thing - would  you have invented the same myth if  Juan Smith or Alberts were involved?    

Unfortunately Louw caused the Welsh to be inside the Springboks 22 because of a penalty he gave away,    Louw was a passenger in both the  semi-final and final - 5 tackles in 40 minutes played for a loosie is about what the weakest test loosie uin the world would have produced.   

So tell me Wanker , who was at fault....every Wallie had somebody marking him. How did we end up with a simple overlap if everybody did their job. Stick with that question, stop shifting the debate.

I did not shift the debate.- you gave a false description of  what happened - that was it. 

Whose at fault in that case?   I would say the referee - the scrum was going backwards and the unsettled and was potentially penalizable.   With that happening the loose forwards are to stay bound.   Fact is that in view of the nature of the scrum and as such to get a penalty I do not blame any player being at fault       

I did not shift the debate.- you gave a false description of  what happened - that was it. 

Whose at fault in that case?   I would say the referee - the scrum was going backwards and the unsettled and was potentially penalizable.   With that happening the loose forwards are to stay bound.   Fact is that in view of the nature of the scrum and as such to get a penalty I do not blame any player being at fault       

So you are implicitly saying that our loose forwards staying bound caused the try.....all premised on the scrum going backwards. Who was going backwards?