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No more arguments....Hougaard is a wing

Started by Mozart21 REPLIES412 VIEWS· 18 Apr 2015, 22:08
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Apr 2015, 22:08
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18 Apr 2015, 22:08#1

.....probably our best wing right now. What a change from the bumbling srumhalf displays....on the wing Hougaard is instinctive, aggressive and effective, three things you couldn't say about him at 9.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2015, 22:22
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18 Apr 2015, 22:22#2
 Pity he is of the wrong pigmentation,  he is not my ideal 14, but looks like the best prospect to partner Habana. Sadly we don't see the likes of Mort and Neil Burger anymore. 
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
19 Apr 2015, 00:19
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19 Apr 2015, 00:19#3
 I really hope we have seen the end of him at 9!
Too rushed, too impulsive for an international scrummie....
He lacks a bit of raw pace, but his vision, stepping and work rate out on the flanks could make him a handful against any team, kinda like our own Corry Jane.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Apr 2015, 00:48
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19 Apr 2015, 00:48#4
Yes.  
CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
19 Apr 2015, 00:55
#5
19 Apr 2015, 00:55#5
 Oh yes!
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Apr 2015, 11:52
#6
19 Apr 2015, 11:52#6
Have to agree Chippo and Moz.....he has come good as a wing but still think he has yet to show us his best.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Apr 2015, 12:50
#7
20 Apr 2015, 12:50#7

Bullshit, he is our best 9.......just typical SA losing out on an opportunity to have some clout at 9.....look no further than his tests against Oz and NZ.......given his current form, imagine how great he would be at 9, where he would be in the game all the time.


But in SA we don't have a clue.......and that is why we keep coming second  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 14:38
#8
20 Apr 2015, 14:38#8
Nope....the Irish and Welsh tests showed he can't perform at 9 under pressure. I always warned this was a pipe dream. What he did against Oz and NZ that we liked had nothing to do with scrumhalf play, it was open field running....his wing credentials coming the the fore.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Apr 2015, 15:14
#9
20 Apr 2015, 15:14#9

Ah so the Irish and Welsh exert more pressure than the Kiwi's and Aussies.......bwhaahaaaaa.


Wrong against NZ and Oz it was all about his crisp service that got his backs away.....the running in open play is a given.


He was hardly on against Wales.......and against Ireland in awful conditions he spilt all of 3 balls, having provided a crisp service of 50 odd passes for the rest.....that was the same game the classy Pollard was blamed for as well, when he too had a solid game.....confirming the ignorance of our coaches.........Hougaard is a 9.......but talented enough to play wing......sadly wasted on the wing.


The only issues that arise with Hougaard at 9 is when he is instructed to play the kicking game.......which coach in the modern era would want their 9 kicking away possession.....probably Meyer.......which will see us with du Preez and Pienaar as our WC - 9's and with it our WC chances.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 17:48
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20 Apr 2015, 17:48#10
  14 - Francois Hougaard (Bulls): The Bulls made a bold move playing Hougaard on the wing and it is certainly starting to pay dividends. He knows his way to the try line and he keeps teams guessing.Bubbling under: Peter Betham (Waratahs) 
OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
20 Apr 2015, 17:56
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20 Apr 2015, 17:56#11
Well, you may get your wish Saff depending on what Ludeke does to replace Paige (diagnosis uncertain but likely to miss some time). Does he go with Piet van zyl at scrumhalf or move Hougaard over?
I am firmly in the camp that wing is Hougaard's best position. Felt that way for the last couple of years. It is true, he has found form again - excellent form. I'm not certain that would translate to scrumhalf though.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:00
#12
20 Apr 2015, 18:00#12

He is good wherever he plays be it 9 or wing....for me 9 has always been his best spot......but sadly he plays under a bunch of verkrampte coaches who don't let him express himself as a 9.....he is pinned into playing the kicking game.


He was the new Joost, why on earth have we failed to invest in him.......faith counts for so much.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:05
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20 Apr 2015, 18:05#13
He expressed himself in the Irish test by knocking on twice on the Irish line....and in the Welsh test by taking a tap on a crucial penalty, and then hoofing it directly into touch.
Dontcha get it...he is an instinctive, reactive player....not an architect. It's mental. He is a wing.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:11
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20 Apr 2015, 18:11#14

Oh what rubbish and taking a quick tap and kicking it out hardly defines a player......what crap.


Instinct and reactive is exactly what you want at 9, if you want an attacking 9......sounds about right for you with the architect.......that has du Preez and Pienaar written all over it......boring as shit.


Look at Smith for the Kiwi's......a Hougaard type 9......the best in the business......we have two others in Faf and Reinach.......all about instinct and reactive.......add Youngs of England, White and Genia of Oz......the best 9's about.....the winning formula

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:17
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20 Apr 2015, 18:17#15
Yep well you don't see Smith being charged all the time like Reinach and Hougaard.....two small wings playing scrummie. Faf by contrast is a real scrummie. As in the case of JJ I will be proven right...just a matter of time.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:57
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20 Apr 2015, 18:57#16
Perenara has been the form NZ 9 this year - far better than Smith........
Some real posers for Hansen in the backline:
Smith vs PerenaraCarter vs Barrett vs SladeNonu vs SBWSmith vs FekitoaSmith vs Dagg (although Smith probably on the wing opposite Savea)



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:23
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20 Apr 2015, 21:23#17
 Another supporting view:

There can now no longer be questions around Francois Hougaard's best position. It is at wing, writes RYAN VREDE.

I hope the debate is settled, although there will probably be a section of the South African rugby fraternity that maintain Hougaard is best deployed as a scrumhalf. Indeed Hougaard himself may still feel this way. There would be no basis for that belief, should he hold it.

This, of course, is not a new assertion I'm making. Throughout last season I put forward this view as Hougaard stumbled from one mediocre performance in the No 9 shirt to another. I argued that we had seen enough of him in both positions to make an educated call on this issue. On the evidence presented, that position is undoubtedly wing.  

He has scored five tries to date, placing him second on the try-scorers list. This is, and will always be, the primary measure of a winger. However, Hougaard's value transcends try scoring. His counter-attacking play is very good and has often been the catalyst for successful attacking maneuvers. His positional sense is sound, he is a strong and intelligent defender, his kicking game – inadequate at Super Rugby and Test levels – is strong for a winger, he is able to operate in tight spaces when required to, and his aerial ability is solid.

The Vodacom Bulls have benefited from all these qualities. Indeed there appears to have been a decision to make this his primary position. If so, it is an excellent, albeit long overdue, one.

The switch will also radically improve Hougaard's chance of making the Springboks' run-on side. I have long been perplexed by the selection loyalty to JP Pietersen given his try-scoring record for the Springboks – 18 in 59 Tests. What he offers in experience and other areas of the game fails to compensate for his now-chronic impotence, and replacing him with Hougaard would be a step forward in the Springboks' quest to be the best side in the world. 

A back three of Willie le Roux, Bryan Habana and Hougaard is an exciting prospect and would give the Springboks an attacking edge they've failed to exhibit with any degree of consistency. The counter-argument is that that combination would be vulnerable to an aerial assault. They may well be, but it wouldn't hurt to explore the option. If the opposition kick poorly, the trio's broken-field potential is immense. Pietersen is too valuable to discard completely and having him in a match 23 offers some insurance against things going south. But fielding the trio discussed above is the type of avenue coach Heyneke Meyer has to venture down as he prepares for the World Cup.

After an indifferent couple of years, Hougaard seems to have committed to drastic improvement. His social media feeds offer us some insight into this commitment, with the 27-year-old regularly posting images of himself working towards physical and technical progression, whether it be in the gym or extra old-field sessions. The fruits of his labour are plain to see.

Hougaard's career is back on the rails thanks to a switch of mindset and position. That is something that should warm the hearts of all Bulls and Springboks supporters.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Apr 2015, 11:30
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21 Apr 2015, 11:30#18

Yep and Perenara is another instinct and reactive player......just what you want from a 9.


Moz get your facts straight......Smith, White etc all get charged down.


Kicking is not Hougaards strength......but why would you want him kicking it is the question.


Hougaard is our best 9, followed by Reinach and Faf.


Because useless Meyer discarded JJ, suddenly you have been proven right......what a joke......that would carry weight if Meyer actually had a record to back his pathetic selections up.  

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
22 Apr 2015, 00:32
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22 Apr 2015, 00:32#19
Just a heads up, Hougaard retweeted that article by Ryan Vrede so it looks like the man himself want's to stick it on the wing. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Apr 2015, 01:00
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22 Apr 2015, 01:00#20
Interesting Shezza. A year ago he was talking up going back to 9, so it appears he is at peace with staying on the wing.
Dave I would put it slightly differently. The  contrary argument that JJ should not have been dropped would have some weight if JJ had done diddly since being dropped by the Boks. But it's now 18 months of nothing. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Apr 2015, 10:27
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22 Apr 2015, 10:27#21

Moz, I am with you on JJ's performance since then, the knock seems to have knocked him for 6......he looks far too passive these days. He would no longer make my Bok 23.


And you say I am not open to change.......de Allende or Kriel would be my 13  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Apr 2015, 16:24
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22 Apr 2015, 16:24#22
Actually I tend to agree he seems to have lost his mojo. But he is getting to a stage in his career, where his experience might get him onto a moz squad
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