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No new Boks ....only three players have staked Bok claims

Started by Mozart9 REPLIES383 VIEWS· 16 Apr 2015, 00:06
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Apr 2015, 00:06
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16 Apr 2015, 00:06#1

........de Allende, Kriel and Kitshoff.  And of those only de Allende is playing into a vacuum. Kitshoff  has to prove he is better than the Beast, and setting aside quota considerations, the Beast is a great player. Kriel  is up against Willie or potential alternative Lambie. Again a hard ask.


So it looks like our WC starting team may have no new caps, deAllende already being a Bok.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Apr 2015, 02:51
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16 Apr 2015, 02:51#2
 Mozart
I agree with you - it is unlikely that there would be any new caps, since other than Kriel and perhaps Koch - all the other candidates for selection are already Springboks.   I would not say that there will be no new Springboks in the total squad of 32 players, since there will have to be some players who will need replacement as a matter of urgency.   In the 32 man squad there are players that would be seriously considered and  the squad will look different from Meyer's last list of players for the EOYT.   Players to be out of that group and existing Springboks like the following have all got serious question marks hanging over them - as their performances are just not good enough, unless there are serious improvement in the remaining Super 15 games, since at present their selection is based entirely on reputation - not performance:-   
Jannie du Plessis, Willem Alberts, JP Pietersen, Nizaam Carr, Oupa Mohoje, Victor Matfield, Francois Steyn, Morne Steyn, Gurthro Steenkamp.
Then there are players with serious question marks - whose positions should indeed be under threat  in the squad like the following or who are doubtful because of injuries:-
Jean de Villiers, Bismarck du Plessis, Marcel van der Merwe
There need to be some serious house-cleaning.  The selection of the above would be seriously-embarrassing, since they would definitely flop in the WC and would cause the Springboks early departure from the competition.       


    
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Apr 2015, 11:32
#3
16 Apr 2015, 11:32#3

Nonsense.......add Jacques du Plessis, Ruan Botha, Mostert, Ackers, Vincent Koch, Thomas du Doit, Liebenberg, Faf de Klerk, Burger Odendaal, Andries Coetzee and Kobus v/Wyk to the equation all worthy squad prospects if we had a coach in the know.......a call to Willemse would be a pretty obvious call as well. 


This list excludes any players that have played for the Boks and should earn a recall or consideration at least.....like Jantjies, Brussouw etc


But Moz you are right - our WC side wont have many changes as our coach is useless and we will continue to lose against the big sides as we did last season and with that an early exit from the WC


Good old Meyer will be insulting us with selections like useless Matfield


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Apr 2015, 12:50
#4
16 Apr 2015, 12:50#4
 Koch deserves a chance from the bench and the best 13 that actually plays 13 regularly must be given a chance. I haven't seen enough games to know who that is though.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
16 Apr 2015, 13:29
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16 Apr 2015, 13:29#5
To be honest, the best 13 has been Mapoe...
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Apr 2015, 13:40
#6
16 Apr 2015, 13:40#6
Wow imagine limiting yourself to only selecting a player that has only played 13 regularly.....so the likes of de Allende and Jessie Kriel would not be considered if we adopted this short- sighted approach??
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Apr 2015, 13:50
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16 Apr 2015, 13:50#7
 No Saf, not limiting to regular 13's, I just think the best regular 13 should also be given a fair chance. I also think De Allende should be given a fair chance at 12, before being tried at 13 again. There is enough pressure playing for the Boks, no need to ad to that by playing in a unfamiliar position as well.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Apr 2015, 14:45
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16 Apr 2015, 14:45#8

That is exactly what happened to Serfontein last year playing out of position at 13.


de Allende is quicker than Jan and the two are our best centres and therefore I would play Jan at 12 and de Allende at 13

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Apr 2015, 15:08
#9
16 Apr 2015, 15:08#9

I have to agree with Draad on this one. De Allende is playing very well at 12, there are no guarantees he will be as effective at 13. Jean never was. Both these guys have made their mark running in traffic and particularly with the offload....less used at 13.

 

If we pick our best 12 at this stage that looks to be De Allende.

 

As for 13 if Kriel is to have a shot, we have to measure him against the best non test opposition....so he should move to 13 now, if that is in the thinking. If not, as Vlag says, leave him to contest against Willie.

 

 

We then have a choice of de Jongh, JP, Sadie, Jordaan, Mapoe......none of whom fit the bill. It's not obvious among those worthies....and position changes very rarely work.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Apr 2015, 15:28
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16 Apr 2015, 15:28#10

Nope my call would be Serfontein at 12 with de Allende at 13.....purely from a speed point of view. I'd play Kriel on the wing with a view to moving him to 13 in the second half.


Odendaal looks like a real prospect as well and I like the strength of Etserhuizen.


Agreed with Moz though, we need to see Kriel at 13 now, where he played so well for the Baby Boks.


Move JJ to wing at the Bulls and play Kriel at 13 with Hougaard at 9.  

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