I read lots of stuff which reminds me of all the hype that accompanied Gelant a few years ago. I have seen relatively little of this chap but the first two tries by the Jaguars were down to feeble Fassi tackles. I’m unconvinced about his defence and decision making.
Also, Esterhozen seems to be much more assertive this year. On this form he looks to replace Dud Allende come the tests
Breaks are fine Dave....but fullbacks these days are more defined by taking high balls than making breaks. The game has changed as you so often say.
Good fullbacks can play at second receiver or cut the backline on the attack running into space or draw and passing to create overlaps. Andre Joubert, Percy Montgomery, Willie Leroux give an extra dimension on the attack.
The high ball is important, but the wingers probably get more high balls than the fullback. Flyhalf 's also stand deep to counter deep kicks as well.
He is very Fassi, maybe not so good defendi...
Interesting. I haven't assessed his games this season, but I have seen a bit of him. Is he a Willie? No. Does he have potential? Yes. The Boks have never had a playmaking 15 like Willie in all the years I have been watching them. The closest would have been Kirchner, who ranked top 2 in Super rugby for assists for several consecutive seasons, though their games were slightly different - Kirchner playing more directly and flat into the line. Fassi doesn't have the frame to replicate the Kirchner model, which was actually well suited to the Bok brand. He isn't a Willie either. He doesn't need to be either one, but he does need to be cerebral and physical. Then there is the matter of the Bok blueprint. It doesn't leave offer a lot for a natural attacker, being arguably the most scripted team in world rugby. So what do you do? I don't feel very strongly either way, lets have an honest look early on and see. If he doesn't look the part early, then the likelihood of him ever being the part are dangerously close to zero. We've all seen this script before, however. Player X is lauded to the heavens well before they deliver the goods and becomes a reputation without any game to show for it. This occurs each and every year without failure. It's this red flag that worries me.
Best defensive stats of any Bok fullback under Peter and was an integral contributor to the last powerful attacking Bok side, the 2013 side. His only weakness were kicks exiting the 22, and the occasional rush of blood. Other then that a rather solid Bok. Not a reputation player, and that makes the difference in South Africa. While big reputations like Damian, Lambie et al held the Boks back for year upon year, without ever being held into account, the likes of Kirchner were viciously attacked for things they never did wrong. One of those players "fans" look for on a team sheet when looking for something to complain about. If Fassi can ever produce what Kirchner did, at any level of the game, he will have done very well. We shall see. It remains to be seen if Rassie has even entertained the idea, one would imagine Gelant or Willemse have the inside track.
The most useless full back imaginable and even Meyer - the stand-out coach of Stade Francais - replaced him with Le Roux. As stated before - if AO writes anything on site believes the exact opposite is true.
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Add to that description of Kirchner and Morne - also the story that Mohoje is a better loosie than McCaw. Add to that the fact that he rates both Meyer and Coetzee as better coaches than Erasmus. Also that the Springbok side who lost all three matches in the SR series in 2015 performed better than the trophy winning Springboks in 2019.
I have my doubts as to the sanity of AO and always suggested in the past that he consults a shrink as a matter of urgency, I have no doubts about Mozart - he is just plainly a rugby and cricket ignorant.
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Goosen, JJ, Swiel, Papier, Gelant, Dyantyi, Stepfontein, Rohan Nel, Elton Jantjies, Combrink, Vorster.......all hyped up the gazoo. Not one of them has made a meaningful contribution to the Bok cause.
Instead the heroes were Pollard, Faf, Kolbe, Mapimpi, Am.....guys who had some support, but never the flavor of the day support a guy like Goosen enjoyed.
Test rugby examines the whole player and if there are any systematic weaknesses ....they are exploited. Fassi is not that different to Goosen as an example.....the same physical type. We will have to see if the same concerns emerge. Basis the first two Jaguars tries ....they might.
"Add to that description of Kirchner and Morne - also the story that Mohoje is a better loosie than McCaw. Add to that the fact that he rates both Meyer and Coetzee as better coaches than Erasmus. Also that the Springbok side who lost all three matches in the SR series in 2015 performed better than the trophy winning Springboks in 2019.
Add in the description? Yes, add indeed. Mohoje had the better of McCaw in 2014 turned into "he is the best loosie in the world". Surprise surprise that this came from the two members with the most well established reputation for lying. I even bumped that post concerning Mohoje in November, the original discussion on Mohoje which this stemmed from. It was where CC joined in. The three stooges find themselves gathered at the scene of yet another issue that left them bloody nosed. What is it about compulsive liars and the need to retell exposed lies? Maybe Moz is right, maybe there is an element of sociopathy about this.
With regard to Meyer, I have utterly proven that he was the better coach. Noone has gone into more detail on the matter than I have. As for Coetzee's 2017? It was better than Rassie's 2018, and better in all attacking statistics than 2019. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. If we are going into opinions of coaches, I clearly stated that Coetzee is not a head coach, but is a vastly superior attacking coach than Rassie. I have proved this when evaluating their work which was separate from one another.
This is really easy pickings. But how many times must we keep talking about the same old topics and see a repeat of the same old lies. The lack of content and the presence of these types is probably why this forum has died down and looking lifeless.
Dyantyi was great.....but unfortunately drug enhanced.
Stepfontein is a bog ordinary Centre.
Gelant has a pace issue....Papier has yet to demonstrate what all the fuss was about.
Combrink has a pace problem.
Vorster faded against better teams.
Jantjies tops out at Super Rugby
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All these guys were looked over by the great rugby brain Erasmus and rejected or given bench roles. Are you suggesting he was wrong?
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Lunacy reigns supreme, When Erasmus was coach of Munster he was the Guinness Top 14 Coach of the Year - when Meyer was coach of Stade Francais he was effectively fired due to incompetence. That is precisely the difference between the two coaches.
Anyway - Meyer after being in charge for near to four years could not select a competitive squad for the WC - Erasmus did that within 16 months and the Springboks won the trophy as a result.
Try and find the local shrink and tell him you have serious reality deficiency Maybe he can help - but you are so moronic it is unlikely to work.
Dynatyi was brilliant until the EOYT, then his aerial skills and defence were torn apart. It's hard to evaluate how rounded our players are in the one-dimensional SH game. Many of our supposedly great runners are heavily exposed once they go north. Will this happen to Fassi? It would be great if he succeeds, I'm just cautious. I recall the hype about Similane as the future at 13. Similar kinds of issues. As I say, we shall see.
Mikaela, when Rassie was Stormers coach for years, they languished at the bottom of every attacking statistical category. Meyer created a foundation that bolstered Bok rugby for over a decade. Cease this petulant comparison. In every single metric, Rassie comes up short. Just admit it, you drag each and every discussion back to Meyer because you are a hate-filled bigot. Just be a little honest, we all know who and what you are at this point. Also, do try and stay on topic.
You inadvertently make my point....Erasmus is a genius and he had little interest in any of these players. Can you see the logic?
Yeah, sure Dave. Everyone's a winner. Everyone is a "class act". You know who also liked lists? Peter. He had a whole list of "class acts" that were guaranteed to make it big. Just like yours, his list didn't stand the test of time. The percentage of players who are elite is rather small. If you have a few in your side, you are lucky. It takes a critical eye for analytics, emotional types simply can't do it.
Coming from you, that's hilarious. I see you've found yourself in a spot of bother regarding a certain absence and a little bit of forked tongue activity. Spending too much time in the wrong camp me thinks.
Lies from AO are definites, During the time Erasmus was coach for three years the WP was top class - then in 2009 was appointed as Director of Rugby and Coetzee was appointed ads Chief Coach. While they worked together the Stormers did well enough in 2009 and 2010 - but in 2012 Erasmus was appointed as Director of Rugby of SARU and had zero to do with the Stormers.
This kind of lie is predominant in the case of AO. He was not the Strmnrs coiach for years as stated, As per normal the dolt did not realize that in the three years Meyer was ccoach - he nearly managed to destroy the Springboks. From November 2014 to September 2015 The Springboks lost 6 games from 9 played. Meyer did everything that near to destroy the Springboks as indicated by the loss against Japan in 2015. Fact is Meyer was probably near to the worst coach the Springboks ever had. Your shit statements to the contrary is contradicted in every way by the match-winning stats.
Anyway ask Stade Framncais why they fired Erasmus - giving him an opportunity to resign to save face for him? Why did they send bot Alberts and Morne packing together with Meyer" The answer is simple - Meyer was always clueless about rugby and disastrously bad when it comes to squad and team selection. That is why he had 8 unplayable players in the 2015 WC squad of 31.
Go and see you shrink dimness before you write further BS on site,
The Stormers were a defensive team, built just like the Boks of today. Some of the criticism of the team from its own fans was that the team was tackling itself into injuries and that the gamelan was too physically demanding. At no point under Rassie have the Stormers ever been an attacking force. At no point in time have the Boks been an attacking force under him either. The output speaks for itself.
Under Meyer was any team ever an attacking force dimness? They never were. An attacking force are proven by the number of tries scored by the team with the emphasis on a reasonable number scored by backline players - ie a 15 man attacking effort.
Meyer was totally clueless about backline play and while Morne Steyn was around at 10 the backline became totally unusable. When Steyn was replaced by Pollard during the AB test in Johannesburg Pollard was operating extremely well -- but thereafter Meyer did his best to destroy him as a flyhalf - he tried desperately to turn him into another Steyn-style kicking dummy.
"The output speaks for itself"
Sure it does - winning the RC trophy and WC trophy in 2019 under Erasmus showed the real output. In his four years Meyer as coach - never once won a trophy - that showed how desperately poor a coach he was.
By the way was Meyer ever even in consideration by World Rugby as the Coach of the Year? Definitely not - he was plain and simple a poor coach - won of the worst in the period 2012 to 2015. The loss against Japan in the WC in 2015 showed one thing - Meyer was easily outfoxed by Jones. The opposite happened this year when Erasmus outfoxed Jones in the WC Final.
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It's pains me to see AO getting is so wrong
2019 Coachof the year - Rassie.
2019 Team of the year - Boks.
2019 Player of the year Peter Steph Du Toit.
When you differ from Beeno the first thing you ask yourself is am I wrong.
If you are agreeing with Redrooi you ask the same question.
Can anybody recall Redrooi mocking Rassie in the past. I have a nasty suspicion he did.
AO went missing before the WCC with the distinct hope that the Springboks would do poorly in the competition. He would have been back the day after the WC if that was the case,
However, he is back now and is still as stupid a he always was, He believes that his analysis of rugby is correct - but his analysis discards critical issues likes coring of tries and winning or losing of games,
You ill also notes that his disparaging of Erasmus is ongoing and in his latest BS he claimed that both Meyer and Coetzee were better coaches than him. However, when Meyers' disastrous performance as a coach at Stade Francais is mentioned - he ignores it totally.
I have always known that he is a nut case - nice to have him on board since his postings are totally distorted and consequently very funny, But to believe anything he writes on Board is dangerous and my advice to members for years has been that when AO states something about Rugby - just believe the opposite,
maybe I am cruel by responding to his BS - but them it makes me laugh to see how he squirms top get out of the whole he dig himself. LMAO