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ON THE BRINK: WHAT IS MEYER THINKING?; Rugby 365

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2015, 15:01
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28 Aug 2015, 15:01#1

EXCLUSIVE: WORLD CUP WINNER ROB BRINK RETURNS AFTER A LONG ABSENCE, GIVING US HIS VIEW ON HEYNEKE MEYER'S POSSIBLE WORLD CUP SELECTIONS.

Based on what has transpired between the end of the year tour, Super Rugby, the Rugby Championship, the injuries and Meyer's selection decisions, no one should really give the Boks a realistic chance of winning the 2015 World Cup.

It's hard to know what Meyer is thinking, and it's a great pity he hasn't been consistent with his selections so close to a World Cup, the injury crisis aside.

An example, outside of the Patrick Lambie versus Handré Pollard yoyo sage is the centre combination scenario.

He selects a centre combination that performs well against the All Blacks and Australia and then in a moment of 'wisdom' decides to break up a new pairing and he moves Kriel to the wing.

What he should have done was say: 'Okay, we might have something here, so let them get another game together [only their third] and we back them. Jean can wait for now, as I know what I have in him'.

Let's be realistic, there's no ways Jean is going to get both his pace and lateral movement (stepping) back in the space of eight months after such a horrendous injury. Is he really going to start with him?

Jean is a superb Springbok and it's sad that he can't go into this World Cup at his best, but such is the way of Rugby Union and injuries.

So, don't go breaking up a new combination that is showing signs of promise, please!

Some time ago he decided to back his old players (Victor Matfield, Fourie du Preez, etc), just like Pieter de Villiers did prior to the 2011 World Cup.

I don't necessarily agree with his sentimental decision in regards to some of the players, but the decision was made and he has to persevere with his decision, which one has to accept.

The veterans are hardly not going to perform in the pool stages, but it's when the knock-out stages commences that their form (or lack thereof) will be tested and at that point it might just be all too late.

There's a leadership dynamic in the squad and it's clear that at this point he can't make any fundamental changes and in so doing at least he isn't faced with another Gary Teichmann-Bobby Skinstad scenario.  

Fourie Du Preez, if playing well (and at all for that matter) has to start, but his knee doesn't seem to be ready yet. So that's not looking promising.

I'm a big Du Preez fan, and think he will be able to find form in the pool stages if his knee holds up.

Matfield I really wouldn't have convinced to come out of retirement, because at his age his strength is no longer evident. Having said that, his last game against Argentina was actually quite good I thought, so maybe there is method in true believer's madness after all.

Some might think I'm mad but there has to be a spot for Frans Steyn and I'd play him at No.15, with Le Roux on the bench.

My Springbok World Cup squad:
No.15: Frans Steyn and Willie le Roux
No.14: JP Pietersen and Cornal Hendricks
No.13: Jesse Kriel and Jaque Fourie
No.12: Damian de Allende and Jan Serfontein/Jean de Villiers
No.11: Bryan Habana and Lwazi Mvovo
No.10: Patrick Lambie and Handré Pollard/Morné Steyn
No.9: Fourie du Preez and Ruan Pienaar
No.8: Schalk Burger/Duane Vermeulen   
No.7: Francois Louw and Marcell Coetzee
No.6: Willem Alberts and Siya Kolisi
No.5: Lodewyk de Jager and Victor Matfield
No.4: Eben Etzebeth and Pieter-Steph du Toit
No.3: Jannie du Plessis and Frans Malherbe
No.2: Bismarck Du Plessis and Adriaan Strauss
No.1: Tendai Mtawarira and Stephen Kitshoff

I don't think they could realistically reappoint Heyneke Meyer as springbok coach, regardless of his unrivalled enthusiasm in the coaches box.

The only way he will really be seriously considered for another term is if he wins the World Cup.

With that said, he surely must not give a fiddle for political pressure and pick whomever he believe is best in that position/combination and take whatever contract addendum he has or doesn't have and leave it in Pretoria and not take it to the World Cup.  

He doesn't have the luxury of a green and gold team as we did in 1995, because of lack of game time of his established players - so he has no choice now but to  chose his  A team and play them in just about every game, This will enable them to get match fitness and find one another again.

The one advantage is that they know one another and the synergy will soon re-establish itself.

So maybe we are ranked fourth in the world at the moment and our chances are slim.

However, what we are good at is playing cup rugby - as we have the game plan and personnel to execute.

If the veterans somehow miraculously find form in the pool phase and new guys (De Allende/Kriel/ De Jager) continue to keep form, I still think we have an outside chance of winning this World Cup, albeit a slim one.

* Robby Brink, a member of the victorious 1995 Springbok World Cup squad, is a the former Western Province and Stormers loose forward, who also had a stint with Irish province Ulster.

He writes exclusively for @rugby365com

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2015, 15:07
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28 Aug 2015, 15:07#2
 It is very easy to second guess Meyer, as is evident on this board But hopefully he has a plan. All this doubt about selections so close to the RWC means he must be hoping to get more answers during the early pool games. He's leaving it too late if you ask me. 
On the example of Pollard & Lambie, he must have been trying to give Pollard enough game time to develop while thinking he already knows what Lambie can do. It's the only logic I can see. I would have had Pollard coming off the bench myself.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Aug 2015, 15:46
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28 Aug 2015, 15:46#3
 JW
The whole squad selection is an unholy mess and the result of poor squad planning by Meyer.   The dependence on players who have not played for up to 14 months, or when they did play were below par in performance, is really a bad joke. 
The Springboks have zero chance of getting past the quarterfinal.  Meyer was as bad as Pieter de Villiers, who allowed the senior members of the squad to run the show and decide on team selection.  In the case there is some similarities - but in the case of Meyer it is more a case of pally-pally selection of players who are over the hill.
The squad announcement is scheduled for 17:30 SA time and is to be broadcasted on DSTV, but I have done something I have not done for years - I bought some liquor  to drown my sorrows about what is bound to happen.   
The mess Meyer has made iro the Springbok team is a disgrace and we can forget about any improvement in SA Rugby until he is gone from the scene.      
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2015, 17:11
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28 Aug 2015, 17:11#4
Another oak with little clue.Matfield I really wouldn't have convinced to come out of retirement, because at his age his strength is no longer evident".  I ask you with tears in my eyes has wee voctor ever shown any strength!

Here are thss ooaks number 6 picks:No.6: Willem Alberts and Siya Kolisi

Sheer madness. 
Just how many lunatics have we got is the question!
Jw of course hasnt even noticed these blunders! He goes on a bit about Lambie and Pollard as if there were  contest given that Pollard is superior to anything nz has. JW its time you enrolled for rugby 0.1000001   Hahahahhahahahahaha
I peronally will be your recommender - what are friends for!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2015, 17:18
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28 Aug 2015, 17:18#5
 
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
28 Aug 2015, 19:05
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28 Aug 2015, 19:05#6
 @mike,

agree that "squad selection is an unholy mess and the result of poor squad planning by Meyer" and IMO mainly have to do with the management of the elder players.
The way NZ and SA have managed this isssue are the images of what should be done and what shouldn't.
Some players can play over their 30 perfectly and they have something very valuable for a WC, the experience. But the experience alone means nothing if the player is not able to reach a minimum form to play tests and to reach it they have to be carefully managed as Carter, McCaw or C. Smith have been, with their sabbatical but playing SR and tests, always monitoring them, etc.
What is completely unviable is to let the players do whatever they want, like it could be to spend the last 3 or 4 years in Japan and to pretend to regain any form in 2-3 months. That's impossible. Kaino, e.g. went back from Japan with 2 years margin to regain his form.
Another impossible (or almost) task is to retire with 35, spend 2 years without playing and try to come back to play a WC with 38.

But the worst management failure has been IMO not planning their replacement. Meyer burnt his own bridges.
One thing is to bet that the experienced players can do it and another very different is not to have a B-plan. All the AB experienced players, McCaw, Carter, C. Smith,... have 2 or 3 back-ups who have been given their test gametime. McCaw, e.g., has as back-ups Cane and Todd who have proven that they can play test.
And all the experienced players know that if they don't get the form they can find themselves out of the team. Carter have been noticing the breathing of Barret, Slade and even Sopoaga o n his neck till very recently.
Besides, usually the youngs who outstand in SR have their chance.

Meyer didn't do any of those. Promising youngs like Faf de Klerk are blocked by elder players (Pienaar) and no one of the elder incumbents have an experienced back-up.


P.S. sometimes the liquor helps to forget,.... for a little time,.... good luck

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
28 Aug 2015, 19:49
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28 Aug 2015, 19:49#7
 CM please have one for me as well.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2015, 20:01
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28 Aug 2015, 20:01#8
 Oh ab ass is actually making sense!!!! Whats going on here???Another impossible (or almost) task is to retire with 35, spend 2 years without playing and try to come back to play a WC with 38 - PLEASE NOTE DR MOZ, CERUDUNCE WINDPOMP AND ANYONES ElSE DAFT ENOUGH TO BE Backing wee matfiled.

Injuries and quotas have not helped Meyer 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Aug 2015, 20:33
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28 Aug 2015, 20:33#9
 Basque,  there were some bad planning,  but some politically forced sellections as well.  Only in the good old R of SA! 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2015, 21:09
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28 Aug 2015, 21:09#10
 Beeno: for some reason you have become obsessed with that devilish duck daffy
I agree with ABF when he points out the poor player management but given what he has now available it is the best he could do.
I agree with poster s who say you should get behind your team. Incidentally, this it not they way to do it
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2015, 21:20
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28 Aug 2015, 21:20#11
 

Hahaha hahahahahahaha
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2015, 21:34
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28 Aug 2015, 21:34#12
 Beeno: this is a serious rugby site for serious rugby fans
Beeno in his philosophical mood
I must have missed that day mumbled the fair-minded kiwi.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2015, 21:56
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28 Aug 2015, 21:56#13
 JW my good friend what are you doing here then  - you seem confused! 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Aug 2015, 21:58
#14
28 Aug 2015, 21:58#14
 JW and zBeenz,  nothing wrong with  Daffy... and Minions... Meyer on the other hand... 
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