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Pablo Matera.....the best in the game?

Started by Mozart65 REPLIES1,845 VIEWS· 26 Nov 2020, 19:26
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2020, 11:14
#41
01 Dec 2020, 11:14#41
Moz and Pakie I’m not saying the inside line is a sure bet I’m saying it’s possibly the better of the two options More to the point is that Damian is not some slow useless centre incapable of running a support line as Moz suggests he is. It’s simply not the case As Schalk Brits said in an interview once - that Damian was one of the most gifted players he had ever played with, playing to a plan - which seems to be working
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Dec 2020, 11:33
#42
01 Dec 2020, 11:33#42

Damian has never shown an ability to read play. He is at best rather mediocre when running scripted sequences. In his early days it was the case that he was set free on the outside, he used to target the outer shoulder and move outwards. He has since become blinkered and looks inside and looks for contact first. He isn't particularly effective in either capacity, but there was more potential for that strong leg drive when in space. Damian does nothing particularly well. It's as simpl e as that. Poor skills, poor field awareness, can't sum up situations and is rather passive. You'll bamboozle him with a move, and he'll keep falling for the same ploy all game long. He seems like a great person off the field, but on it, he doesn't tick any boxes. He was never a real centre at heart. His potential was at 13, but his defence and reading of play was too poor, so he got lumped in the basher category. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2020, 11:51
#43
01 Dec 2020, 11:51#43
Omelette no one gives a shit what you think
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Dec 2020, 15:37
#44
01 Dec 2020, 15:37#44

AO

Should I believe Pollard or you - our local village idiot  - in this case,   To believe anything you write on site is highly dangerous. since your knowledge of real rugby is basically zero.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Dec 2020, 17:07
#45
01 Dec 2020, 17:07#45

If you must believe any, believe the video evidence. What do you suppose Pollard is going to say? That Damian is stupid and makes too many mistakes, that he has poor skills? Really? Pollard has taken some flack because of Damian, you yourself have taken Pollard to task for things that Damian did wrong. You are not a true Bok fan, just one of the plastics. Nothing more. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Dec 2020, 17:17
#46
01 Dec 2020, 17:17#46

Listen dimness - it was not only Pollard who praised De Allende - the English commentators all praised him.  Greenwood said of you stop De Allende you neutralize the whole Springbok backline.   And the rugby genius Erasmus have an extremely high regard for him as well. It must be borne in mind that you are the biggest idiot who ever posted on this site - so nothing new expected from you.    

What flak did Pollard got for things De Allende did wrong poofter?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2020, 17:21
#47
01 Dec 2020, 17:21#47
Poor Matera is in deep shit for acting like Clown Cunt some 10 years ago
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Dec 2020, 17:37
#48
01 Dec 2020, 17:37#48

Not like these MSM endorsed and promoted neo-liberal ideas. Silly Pablo.


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FelipeNewbie8 posts
01 Dec 2020, 17:58
#49
01 Dec 2020, 17:58#49

 I am very angry with my beloved Pumas and with Matera. 
Anger that I extend to the social group that practices rugby in Argentina and to which I belong.
We are the social group that gave sustenance in my country to the military dictatorships and that supported all the coups d'état against popular governments.
We are the social group that always stood on the side of North American interference against national interests.
However, I always embraced the hope that the love of the shirt could inoculate my social group with some love for the country and its people.
What happened last Saturday made me despair.
How is it possible that in the antipodes of our country the All Blacks have felt what we have not? they made a tribute to Maradona and our players do not. Pumas showed disconnection with the feelings of common people. 
To make matters worse, this happens a few months after a scandal where a group of rugby players of privileged class boys ruthlessly murder a disadvantaged class boy in a disco.
Do you want to tell me how we do now in Argentina for rugby to become a popular sport?

My apologies for Matera’s unacceptable remarks about South Africa.

In relation to the latter I wanted to give a bit of context on this subject to avoid any confusion.

I believe that the UAR should have handled the crisis differently and not made Matera the scapegoat for a moral crisis affecting the social group that plays rugby in Argentina. Pablo Matera should have apologized and excluded himself for a few games.

I'm sure he's someone who's shifted his mind over the past few years. And as he himself asserts, he is not proud of having supported the ideas that are now known to all.
I want to point out that even if his words are aberrant and condemnable, they are much less racist than classist. It may be difficult to understand outside of Latin America, but with us there is a phobia of the poor or of the plebs. When Matera attacks Bolivians or blacks it is much less a racial issue than a social issue. With us the poor are people of color. But as soon as a person of color get money and gives up their plebeian culture they have their place in the social group of the rugby world. It's still aberrant, but it's not racism. Just the phobia of the poor. Despite everything, I remain hopeful that Maradona’s death will allow this social group to revisit its values and the Pumas have an important role to play in reconciling the country.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Dec 2020, 18:02
#50
01 Dec 2020, 18:02#50
"Poor Matera is in deep shit for acting like Clown Cunt some 10 years ago"
10 years ago?
How about his last post. Or the one before that. Or the one before that.
What Matera said is very mild compared to almost any comment Klown ever makes about black people . . . which is often . . . when he's around and not checking out every post every day feeling all hurt and unloved because no-one is talking about him.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
01 Dec 2020, 18:04
#51
01 Dec 2020, 18:04#51
What exactly did he say. The news articles, do not quote his Twitter page. 
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Dec 2020, 19:09
#52
01 Dec 2020, 19:09#52

Here you go.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Dec 2020, 19:36
#53
01 Dec 2020, 19:36#53

Kruisig hom, kruisig hom...much might be lost in translation...If you expect the worst racial connotation every time, you'll get it. Much spinning going on...

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2020, 20:56
#54
01 Dec 2020, 20:56#54
Have not seen the recent stuff from him - if there is recent stuff then he is one stupid prick
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Dec 2020, 06:19
#55
02 Dec 2020, 06:19#55

I was at the 86 final in Mexico City. A great day for Argentina, they played superbly. What a pity that Argentina’s great  success in the RC has ended so unhappily.


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kingcornPro3,695 posts
02 Dec 2020, 17:34
#56
02 Dec 2020, 17:34#56

Twitter strikes again. One minute he is heralded as a hero and the man to bring to Argentina only for Maradona to have the last say. 

Can't believe people can be so petty. Strange the AB pretty destroyed Arg with a gesture, inadvertently. 

My only question is, who are we all so thin skinned about peoples comments or expressions. What happened to free speech. 

Did he insight violence , just that a dislike of people and that is his opinion. 

Rather than fire the guy, just call him an A hole and strip him of the captaincy but not as a player or his livelyhood. 

It is the same nonsens as to Falua. We all of a sudden are saint and never said anything racist?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Dec 2020, 17:49
#57
02 Dec 2020, 17:49#57

Intolerant responses to intolerance are now the norm..... 25 year old sportsmen are now supposed to talk like diplomats.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Dec 2020, 10:01
#58
03 Dec 2020, 10:01#58
Based on this article it looks as if sanity will prevail and Matera will be reinstated as Pumas captain while Petti and Socino will also return to the squad . . . just not for this weekend.  
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Dec 2020, 19:04
#59
03 Dec 2020, 19:04#59
"My apologies for Matera’s unacceptable remarks about South Africa."
Felipe, there's nothing to apologise for. There are many posters on this forum (probably a majority) who wholeheartedly agree with Matera's views on black people in South Africa.
Not saying I agree with his sentiments . . . I do still live in South Africa after all . . . but if you look at our descent into third world status (especially under the corrupt, incompetent clown Jacob Zuma) and the amount of violent crime, along with the alarming decay in our infrastructure over the last two decades then you can see where Pablo Matera is coming from.
I like Matera as a player and as a captain and personally, I think making such a big deal out of comments made so many years ago is just more of this insane woke political-correctness we see every day, not just in South Africa but everywhere. It's not what he said that makes him dumb, it's saying it in the public domain.
What I find puzzling is how quickly the ARU changed their tune. One minute Matera was persona non grata and now he's suddenly restored to the captaincy and he's a misunderstood hero. What caused the sudden change?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Dec 2020, 19:11
#60
03 Dec 2020, 19:11#60
Good question Rooi - one has to wonder
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becsPro4,378 posts
03 Dec 2020, 20:19
#61
03 Dec 2020, 20:19#61

The team threatened to strike, Rooinek, so they backed down. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Dec 2020, 20:48
#62
03 Dec 2020, 20:48#62

At least the players have some balls if the ARU doesn't then.

This guy leads your team to their first victory over the All Blacks, then some idiot digs up tweets from 10 years ago when he was still a young lad of 18 and you just throw the guy to the wolves to appease the PC brigade. Which of us didn't say or do some stupid shit at 18? Thank goodness we didn't have twitter with which to cement our idiocy for posterity then. 

Good on the team.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Dec 2020, 20:52
#63
03 Dec 2020, 20:52#63

Thanks becs , good for the team in that case. 

Whether you agree with them or not, that is exactly the kind of reaction that creates gees (hywl or mana for the non-Afrikaans speakers among us) in a rugby team and I wouldn't be surprised if the Pumas play with more passion and intensity in their next few games.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Dec 2020, 20:53
#64
03 Dec 2020, 20:53#64

Posted mine before reading Pakie's comments but couldn' t agree more with him.

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becsPro4,378 posts
03 Dec 2020, 21:25
#65
03 Dec 2020, 21:25#65

I’m just wondering how the Australians will take it though, given how woke they have become...

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SebPro2,680 posts
04 Dec 2020, 08:23
#66
04 Dec 2020, 08:23#66

Yes I agree with Pakie too...of all the posters here he is the most balanced and level headed.


At Felipe...Halo, you are right about the class issue and yes there's nothing to apologise for.

As pointed out by some we understand that everybody says foolish things when they are very young...it's a learning curve in life but we change later.

I visited your country when I was in my early 20 ties...but only for 2 weeks. We had a package of 15-16 fly-fishing fanatics'...we flew to BA by Boeing and then flew deeper in small planes to the Andes.foothills and Patagonia..Bariloche and another place, cannot remember the name near the Chilean border. These places now are exorbitant especially for South Africans but in the seventies before hyper inflation struck Argentina very affordable. I think was where the famous film actor Liam Neeson fishes. I loved Argentina, very beautiful, heaven really in those places and the trout fishing was unbelievable. We had guides...several Gaucho (lovely people, friendly and helpful). 

I always wanted to go back but could never quite afford it now.

I was a great fan of Hugo Porta and Hernandez and today Sanchez.

If I was Argentinian I would be very proud of my nation.

Please stay, you are very welcome and a refreshing breeze here.

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