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Pienaar: How class of 2015 can do it; Rugby 365

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2015, 07:18
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25 Jun 2015, 07:18#1

Victorious former Springbok captain Francois Pienaar believes the class of 2015 can overcome the odds stacked against them and win the World Cup.

Pienaar, speaking at Ellis Park on Wednesday at the 20-year anniversary of his Bok team's historic first World Cup triumph, said it is "disingenuous" to compare the current Springbok team to his 1995 side - which were roundly praised for their nation-building victory on the back of the late President Nelson Mandela's support.

While there are some parallels - the class of 2015 are also being written off as Pienaar's men were in '95 - he said the two outfits are worlds apart.

"Teams prepare for World Cups in different ways," he told a media scrum at Ellis Park.

He described the '95 team as "a special class" and admitted to having been "annoyed" when people didn't give them a fare shot at winning the World Cup in 1995.

"The critics were saying our team couldn't go all the way, but the nuclease of that team came from the Transvaal team - 13 of the players in that squad came from Transvaal.

"We [Transvaal] were hugely successful - we won the Currie Cup [twice], we won the first Super 10 competition here [at Ellis park].

"We beat Auckland [in the 1993 Final] and if you look at the names in that Auckland team it is an All Black team. We also made the Final [in 1995] and Queensland beat us with an intercept try.

"That [Transvaal] team was infused by some of the world's greatest players - like Andre Joubert, Joel Stransky, Joost van der Westhuizen, James Small, Mark Andrews, Os du Randt. That team always had a real shot at the title."

He added that you can't recreate that special class and added that the class of 2015 will have to find their own call and their own style.

"Every team has its special mojo, as did John Smit's [World Cup-winning] team in 2007," Pienaar said.

"There [in 2007] the nuclease of the team came from the successful Bulls and Sharks outfits.

"The question is where will our nuclease come from this year? If there is no nuclease, how would the leadership react to that?

"The culture in the [2015] team will be very important.

"We had a culture [in '95] that worked harder than anybody else - [we were] very disciplined and focused on what we were about."

Despite South Africa's poor year-end tour, where they lost to Ireland and Wales last November, and an equally miserable Super Rugby campaign where the Stormers were knocked out at the quarterfinal stage last week, Pienaar believes South Africa "definitely" have a shot at winning the World Cup when it takes place in England in September and October.

"If you look at the talent in this country, it is immense," the 1995 Bok skipper said.

"We have tremendous talent.

"It is how we put that talent together and the culture within that team - they have to get four or five things right."

Pienaar said South African teams thrive on knock-outs matches at major events like the World Cup - where the Boks have a 70 percent success rate.

"We as a country love knock-outs, we are not scared of knock-out matches.

"We have a fairly easy pool. It is going to be who is on form, it is going to be about injuries and if you get to the knock-outs who will handle the pressure, who is going to manage the variables, how would the leadership react.

"Just look at the talent - there are game-breakers, there is power up front and skill at the back.

"We have a real shot at the title."

By Jan de Koning
@King365ed
@rugby365com

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jun 2015, 07:22
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25 Jun 2015, 07:22#2
Encouraging words for our Bok supporters: "Just look at the talent - there are game-breakers, there is power up front and skill at the back.

"We have a real shot at the title."
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Jun 2015, 09:09
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25 Jun 2015, 09:09#3
We just don't have the coach capable of selecting the best 23 or guide them in the art of how to play winning rugby 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Jun 2015, 09:09
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25 Jun 2015, 09:09#4
We just don't have the coach capable of selecting the best 23 or guide them in the art of how to play winning rugby 
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
25 Jun 2015, 15:51
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25 Jun 2015, 15:51#5
Saff - who would you have coaching the Boks?
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BokBFClub Pro421 posts
25 Jun 2015, 15:58
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25 Jun 2015, 15:58#6
I would agree that Meyer is ultra conservative and would not have a hope of putting a team together to even challenge for a S15 title in 2015. However RWC knock out games are all about defence and a more conservative game game plan. He likes this and if we can retain more of the ball without Morne could have a chance. 

 

I don’t believe that you are a Jake fan either but his management and style delivered the goods in 07.

 

I can imagine Mike having kittens when Kitch selected Mark out of position at  8 in 95.


Stranger things than a possible B ok win in 2015 have happened.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2015, 16:19
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25 Jun 2015, 16:19#7
 BokBF
I did not at the time worry about selections - Christie knew what he was doing and selected his team accordingly.
To retain possession you have to get possession first and that is where the problem lies.   You can only be effective with a strong Tight 5 and competitive loosies.  Personally I believe a combination of loosies comprising Vermeulen, Louw and Kriel would be the answer - I prefer Kriel ahead of Marcel Coetzee since he is speedier and more competitive at breakdowns than Coetzee.
However, my problem remains the Tight 5 combination.   We have the props - but things can go drastically wrong if Matfield is selected at lock.  Matfield has no grunt - his line-out takes have decreased drastically and for the rest he is of very little value in Tight 5 play.   It would reduce our Tight 5 to a Tight 4 and in NH conditions that would be fatal.   We need competitive locks and if only one is competitive the forward domination will not happen.         
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BokBFClub Pro421 posts
25 Jun 2015, 18:09
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25 Jun 2015, 18:09#8
 Mike I can see where you are coming from on a few points but we will have to agree to disagree on Victor. I believe that his pros still outweigh (excuse the pun) his cons and that we would be less of a team without him. In my opinion we do currently have an equivalent lock reader of the game.

 

With regards possession I agree with your comments on the loosies but we have not really been starved of the ball, my problem is that once we win it we are not dynamic enough with it. The default setting seems to be kick it away after 5 phases if it has not already been knocked it on. Willie has been the only exception to this although in recent tests he too is putting a lot more boot to ball.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2015, 02:36
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26 Jun 2015, 02:36#9
 BokBF
I would not agree with you about Matfield - but has to agree with you about the backline play.   That is where we have a problem.   In principle I do not have a problem with a kicking game - but then kicking must be pin-point accurate and purposeful.  That has not been the case for years and most of our kickers are notoriously inaccurate.
The players guilty of aimless and inaccurate kicking have been the Steyns and to my horror Pollard in recent matches developed the same trait. 
Kicking away of possession is to my mind a major problem with SA rugby - causing our tendency to play a "dead backline".   However, kicking is often enough caused by the  poor support from other backline players.
This is the main reason why I think there should be a comprehensive change to our backline selection is called for - the present backline players over the past years have very little ability to change their set way of playing thoughtless rugby with very little ability to score tries.   
In th category of thinking players showing much ability I include players like Le Roux, Habana, De Villiers, De Allende and even the up and coming Vorster.   I am still hopeful that Pollard wil change back to what he was last year.         
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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
27 Jun 2015, 13:40
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27 Jun 2015, 13:40#10
Great talk,  up until the end, "power up front" yes, "skill at the back" No!!!!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Jun 2015, 13:50
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27 Jun 2015, 13:50#11
 Mike the big problem is getting in a backline coach. Meyer must do a Jake. Getin a class coach.
The things the kiwis do are simple and anybody can be taught to pass, off load and run good lines. Its not rocket science as the Lions and Cheetahs have shown. 
The difference is we can pick a pack of fowards that can dominate the world. The kiwis cant. So all we need to do is get our backs properly coached. 
Its a disgrace that we went from Alistair Coetzee as Bok backline coach to the other total non entity ricardo loubscher!! Race based selections gone mad.
I would like to see Mallet getting a nother go at coaching. Beeno and Mallet so often on the same page.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Jun 2015, 13:54
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27 Jun 2015, 13:54#12
 Intrinsically, Reinach, Faf, Allende, Jean, Habana, Pollard and Willie are as good as anything the kiwis have and in cases a re better.






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