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PieterSteph's miraculous recovery plus points for Dr Mozzz to comnsider

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Sept 2015, 18:30
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04 Sept 2015, 18:30#1
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Springbok lock Pieter-Steph du Toit’s journey back to the national team after a devastating knee injury is the stuff that miracles are made of.

While the lock battled his way back from torn cruciate ligaments that almost certainly had put him out of the Rugby World Cup, the story of how he returned to play a test match just more than a 100 days after being injured is an amazing one involving an operation that has never been done in South Africa before and a father who gave up more than most to give his son a chance of playing at this year’s World Cup.

Du Toit probably never had such a low point in his life as on the 14th of March this year, where he twisted his knee in the Cell C Sharks 29-10 win over the Toyota Cheetahs in Bloemfontein. His World Cup dream looked over.

While lying on the field waiting for the stretcher he asked the team doctor Dr Alan Kourie if his cruciate ligaments were off – or torn so badly that he needed an operation.

“We’ll take it as it comes,” the doctor replied.

Later that night the scan confirmed the worst, that Du Toit’s ligaments were torn, and that the normal rehabilitation period was six months, a period that would have put him virtually out of contention for a World Cup place.

But a chance discussion with the surgeon – Dr Willem van der Merwe – and his father Pieter du Toit’s decision to accompany him to the appointment changed everything, and showed the sacrifice a parent is willing to make for his children.

With a replacement ligament three weeks away, Du Toit’s father spontaneously offered to donate his own, to the surprise of the doctor, and set in motion the events that will see the lock heading to the World Cup. (Given this old ligament Du Toit now has one expects Dr Mozzzz to do a flip flop and start supporting Steph!)

“Initially we would have had to wait for a cadaver to get a replacement ligament,” Du Toit explains, “That would have taken three to four weeks. But it was coincidental that my father went with me to the doctor’s appointment, and he asked if he could donate his ligament. Nobody had thought about it until then, that it could work.

“The doctor phoned his colleagues in America and after consulting with them, they decided to go ahead. They did the scope and my dad was on the bed next to me. They did the operation and it went well. Otherwise we would have waited another three to four weeks.

My dad jokes that he has a part of my contract at the moment, that he deserves a percentage of it,” the big lock laughs, “but those three or four weeks were the big difference why I am here today. He became a Springbok as well.

The result was an operation that had never been done in South Africa before, groundbreaking medical technology which literally cut the recovery time down to three months, an exceptional difference in the life of a modern sportsman. (Du Toit has to be thankful he wasnt living in nz as he would have taken a year to recover in those backwoods!!)

“Last time I was out of action for 11 months and this time I was out for three and a half months – with torn cruciate ligaments. My knee is good – when I’m warmed up and raring to go its good, and when I’m off the field and I train hard, there is a bit that I have to manage,” Du Toit admits, but just the mere fact he is back quicker than expected is something that brings out the big smile on his face. (One hopes all goes well with Du Toit otherwise Dr Mozzz will be arguing that the ligament was too young and should have been taken from a an old man's cadaver!)

Now that he has made it into the World Cup squad, Du Toit is a lot more philosophical about his situation, especially having undergone five operations for injuries in as many years.

“I had a difficult time with injuries as well. I had an operation for every year I’ve been in Durban. I had five operations in five years – two ankle ops, a chest op and two knee ops. It was very difficult but it taught me to vasbyt, to carry on and to learn to do things on my own.

All my injuries were freak accidents and I’ve always been one who can look past these things. I get over it and know I have to train hard and do rehab. In the last two years I’ve learnt a lot about vasbyt and patience. You learn a lot about yourself in these situations and it is something that only you can sort out, to get your head straight and make yourself stronger.”

But while there is a wave of expectation about his abilities, the young lock is happy to wear that mantle. (Dr Mozzz hasnt caught up with events yet but could make it by the end of the RWC?)

“It’s lekker that people expect a lot from me. It gives me a peaceful feeling that people believe in you. Nobody can take it away from me that I have talent and that I was good in the past. I will just work harder in the future to get back to that point. “

The Riebeeckstad lock has been selected for the Rugby World Cup as a utility forward, with his ability to play both blindside flank and in the second row, but he is clear about where he wants to play.

“I enjoy five because it gives you a bit of responsibility. You have some extra work in analyzing the opposition’s lineouts but I enjoy 7 as well. When I was Grade 11 they asked me to play lock and I didn’t want to. So I was dropped to the second team and by the time we finished the season I was playing flank for the first team. I prefer lock, but seven is something I enjoy. Lock is the position I want to grow as a player though,” he adds.

Du Toit will return to the Stormers after the World Cup, to be closer to his family and his long-time girlfriend, and to rejoin the family wine business as well. But the reaction of him leaving the Sharks was something he didn’t count on.

“It hurts sometimes when people don’t understand why you make decisions,” Du Toit says adding that he felt it was time to return home. (These guppies are nasty pieces of work I am sure most here will agree!!)

For now the World Cup is the priority, and the fact that Du Toit is boarding the plane to England should be celebration in itself. But having been given a second lease on life he now wants to make a difference and a contribution in the Bok campaign.

With his fellow young Bok locks in Lood de Jager and Eben Etzebeth the Boks will be equipped for the setpiece battle like never before.(PLEASE NOTE DR MOZZZZZZ)

You can add in Willemse and Jaque Du Plessis. We shall also see how Ruan Botha and Jean Kleyn develope.

Well itsa great story all round and I do hope Dr Mozzz comes to his senses soon. His punting of pap victor 105 kg and 38 years old is also an indication that Dr Mozzz is battling to understand lock play! Perhaps Dt Mozzz is caught ina time warp. After all the great Frik Du Preez was only 106 kg. But all should know things have progressed since then. Sigh! 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Sept 2015, 19:38
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04 Sept 2015, 19:38#2

Frik would have smashed these guys, he had lead in his bones. But I'm encouraged to hear he has old ligaments....maybe Stephanie will be good with better parts. Still it will be Victor and Etzebeth, question is whether it's Lomp or Stephanie on the bench and given Lomp plays 4 and 5 ...probably Lomp. Unless of course Alberts is on the bench in which case it could be Stephanieas lock sub, with Alberts covering 4. The one Nor th Star constant is Victor at 5.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Sept 2015, 19:42
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04 Sept 2015, 19:42#3
Nope its Etzebeth. Wee matfiled will be so poor that there has to be a chance even poor Meyer will twig. Remember Moz, Lood was vastly superior to pap victor and meyer must have had his eyes partially opened.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
04 Sept 2015, 20:13
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04 Sept 2015, 20:13#4
 Looks like  another young gun with potential. Meyer should play him in the pool games & see how he goes. Old man Matfield will need to pace himself anyway as he can't play all the games. PSDT is in the same category as Lood.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Sept 2015, 21:09
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04 Sept 2015, 21:09#5
 Beeno
The idiot who is punting Matfield is a twisted individual who knows nothing about rugby and is trying to shove the useless Matfield down our throats.   Matfield should never have been in the squad and that is a fact.  We do not need a destroyer of our Tight 5 on the field.  
The idiocy is shown up by the fool stating Matfield is the best lock ever - while the locks does not even remotely rate Matfield as a top class lock because he lacks grunt completely.
The moment players like Matfield, Alberts and even the out of match fitness Du Preez and De Villiers take the field for the Springboks, we cannot win any match in the play-off stage.       
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,282 posts
04 Sept 2015, 21:15
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04 Sept 2015, 21:15#6
It all sounds a bit Frankenstein stuff. 
How is his father doing without a ligament, or did the replacement that was going to be 2 weeks used as his new ligament?
OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
04 Sept 2015, 21:24
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04 Sept 2015, 21:24#7
Great story and it is a truly miraculous recovery.
Can't help shake the feeling that this is not in his best interests. He is still so young, has two more WC's ahead of him, is not pivotal to our success and is unlikely to start the critical matches. The risk or re-injury due to premature participation far outweighs the return. You can understand an older player facing his last chance pushing the envelope to get healthy, but not this guy.
He won't be back to his best for another 9 months at least. It takes time for the strength and explosiveness to return.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Sept 2015, 21:37
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04 Sept 2015, 21:37#8
 Mike,  one moerse setback for your age argument.  PSDT's ligaments will be older tgan Matfield's by quite some nargin.! 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Sept 2015, 21:39
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04 Sept 2015, 21:39#9
 Moz,  will the added age of the ligaments add to PSDT's value? 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Sept 2015, 22:27
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04 Sept 2015, 22:27#10
If Steph stars the ligaments will provide the canny Dr Mozzz with a convenient explanation.Beeno seeing the way ahead clearly!
Mike please calm down and behave a little more decently. It will require a modicum of self control.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
04 Sept 2015, 23:46
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04 Sept 2015, 23:46#11
Ol' Frik, Moz was a different story...certainly one of the standout figures of all time and perhaps only Colin Meads could measure up...pity he is not 40 years today, old Moz....he would have made your squad...lol

Ol' Moz likes old players...that's because it makes him feel a bit younger

Anyway good news about PSDT.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Sept 2015, 00:00
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05 Sept 2015, 00:00#12
Look all banter aside, I wish every injured sportsman well. That includesa lion hearted young chap like Steph. But I have to agree with Matey, how can he be better off with this procedure for the long haul?
Dr. Kelly Traver, Internal Medicine, answered

Tendons and ligaments shorten and become less flexible with aging, so it is important to maintain flexibility with stretching exercises. Better flexibility means less stiffness, fewer injuries, and easier overall movement.

So the message is that as you go through life and do that aging thing, remember, you're not off the hook as you get older. You still need exercise. In fact, you need it more than ever. No matter what your age, you will continue to get all of the same health benefits of exercise."




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Sept 2015, 10:12
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05 Sept 2015, 10:12#13
 This will probably diminish Du Toit in Dr Mozzzz's eyes but I would think all the tissues etc re the ligament will in time be replaced by Stephs own more robust tissues etc.
Any contrary opinion, if based in fact, will be welcome - thus excluding all delusional kbbs from making comment! 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Sept 2015, 12:29
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05 Sept 2015, 12:29#14
Sure it will diminish Du Toit in Mozart's eyes - but what people forget is something mentioned in the article and that is that in the case of most knee injuries they used  ligaments from dead bodies - hence the waiting period of up to four weeks before an operation is possible (a match would have to be found).
So how many favourites of Mozart is walking around with that kind of "dead body ligaments" in their knees.  I can think of three definites in the side - De Villiers, Du Preez and Bismarck, but there may be others as well.       
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
05 Sept 2015, 13:10
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05 Sept 2015, 13:10#15
 "Zomboks" would appear to be a more appropriate name for the team by the look of it what with dead bits being installed right, left and centre. Why don't they just rely on steroids like they always have??
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Sept 2015, 14:08
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05 Sept 2015, 14:08#16
 Moolaa 
I wonder what NZ specialists do about knee and other ligaments injuries?  I know their medical science advancement is way behind that of SA - but they may have cottoned on by now.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Sept 2015, 15:43
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05 Sept 2015, 15:43#17
 How is Cruden doing.  I seem to recall he was in need of similar surgery?  What's tje latest news? 
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
05 Sept 2015, 23:04
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05 Sept 2015, 23:04#18
 That's a bold statement Mike. We do actually have hospitals here......Perhaps your surgeons should use something other than cotton??
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Sept 2015, 05:59
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06 Sept 2015, 05:59#19
 Moolaa
It is not a bold statement - it is a fact.  There are a large number of what they call private hospitals in SA where most of our top professionals practice and those are better than most state hospital anywhere in the world.
What you are referring to are state hospitals, which used to be top class too - but under the present Government deteriorated to an amazing level of incompetence and maladministration.   The unfortunate part is that the private hospitals are pricey and most locals cannot afford to go their for treatment.  
I can mention that over the last week the father an Under 18 year old from the England team who suffered a massive back injury in a rugby game about 6 weeks ago during the Under 18 international series between England, France, Wales, Italy and SA, treated in a private hospital in Bellville - a suburb of Cape Town - made a statement of his treatment, which comprised "reconstruction" of his spinal cord.  He could not refrain from repeatedly praising the competence and advanced medical skills of the medical staff at the hospital concerned.
What is not known generally is that massive numbers of patients from Europe comes as "medical tourists" to South Africa for operations.   They even have facilities where patients stay over during recovery periods after discharge from the hospitals concerned.   They come first of all because of the levels of professional competence and treatment facilities - but also because the treatment they receive here is more advanced and less costly than they would get in their own countries.  
        
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
06 Sept 2015, 11:27
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06 Sept 2015, 11:27#20
 Mike, with about a zillion rand to the pound now, they come because it's cheap not because the treatment is better.......get real.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Sept 2015, 11:43
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06 Sept 2015, 11:43#21
 Moolaa 
With respect - your latest statement is absolute BALLS.   Do you think they would come to SA if the treatment was not acceptable.  They are charged in in Pounds, Euro and dollars - not SA Rands - the profits are massive.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Sept 2015, 14:23
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06 Sept 2015, 14:23#22

"The doctor phoned his colleagues in America and after consulting with them, they decided to go ahead".....now what would have been big news is...."the American doctor called his colleague in South Africa and after consulting with him decided to go ahead."

 

There are plenty of high quality doctors in South Africa, but to suggest Europeans come to RSA for the quality is to suggest that quality is not available at a price in Europe. Which is of course the usual Pervie tripe.

 

 

They come because the price is right and they have confidence a good job will be done....as Moolaa says.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Sept 2015, 14:41
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06 Sept 2015, 14:41#23
 Mozart
This is an old story - but where was the first heart transplant ever done in the world?
And then there was the recent case of Dr Stefan Joubert being invited to lecture at Yale University as a guest lecturer.  That is the guy who operated on a host of Springbok players for neck and other injuries.
Stay in the USA and forget about SA - we know what is happening here, good and bad. You know bugger-all, so shut up and stick to issues not related to rugby - of which you know bugger-all in any event.            


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Sept 2015, 17:43
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06 Sept 2015, 17:43#24
The first heart transplant was done in South Africa by a doctor trained in America. He did the operation when the US doctors who were ahead of him technically wouldn't do the operation because the problem of rejection hadn't been resolved. His first patient died a quick horrible death.
It was unethical and premature.
You clowns that think South African medicine is ahead of US medicine are loons.  
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
06 Sept 2015, 21:27
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06 Sept 2015, 21:27#25
 Yes, I know about Christiaa n Barnard Mike but tell me how long the heart recipient lived for??
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