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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 19:27
#1
11 Jul 2015, 19:27#1

My assessment of the players involved are as follows:-


15  Willie le Roux          -    8,5/10

14  Bryan Habana         -      7/10

13  Jesse Kriel             -    7,5/10

12  Damian de Allende  -       9/10

11  JP Pietersen          -       6/10

10  Handre Pollard       -       7/10

 9   Ruan Pienaar        -     5,5/10

 8   Warren Whiteley   -     7,5/10

 7   Marcel Coetzee     -       8/10

 6   Francois Louw       -    5,5/10

 5   Victor Matfield      -       6/10

 4   Eben Etzebeth      -       8/10

 3   Jannie du Plessis   -       4/10

 2   Bismarck du Plessis -      7/10

 1   Tendai Mtawarire   -      6/10


16  Adriaan Strauss     -      6/10

17  Trevor Nyakane     -      6/10

18  Vincent Koch        -    6,5/10

19  Oupa Mohoje        -       5/10

20  Schalk Burger       -       7/10

21  Cobus Reinach      -    7,5/10

22  Patrick Lambie      -    7,5/10

23  Jean de Villiers     -       7/10


The commentators after the game said there was no MOM for the game today - but they agreed that the best SA player was Damian de Allende.


Lets face facts the one disappointing player today was Jannie du Plessis - after he was replaced Koch was substantially better than him.   


Mohoje had very little playing time and did not show anything as a lock.


JP Pietersen did not do much to warrant his position in the team.   Matfield took 3 kick-ins - but fouled up one such kick.  His contribution to Tight 5 play was lacking - while standing around behind mauls and the scrumming was not really  up to standard.   Pienaar was slow in passing the ball and he did not cover the ball Burden scored a try from.   Reinach was twice as good when he came on.   Although not playing in his real position Lambie did exceptionally well.


On the whole the youngsters did exceptionally well - while some of the senior players did not really contribute as well as they should.   One thing is clear that the Tighthead selection should be Malherbe and Koch.   For the rest I believe Meyer should take a real hard look at Pietersen, Pienaar, Louw and  Matfield again to determine whether they are still good enough.     

  


 

  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 19:43
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11 Jul 2015, 19:43#2

  Victor Matfield offloads to Damian de Allende, who shrugs off two challengers before crashing over the tryline! Pollard misses with the conversion attempt

 

TRY, SOUTH AFRICA, LE ROUX! 20-3. The Boks are camped close to the World XV's tryline and Willie le Roux runs onto a pass from Ruan Pienaar before bursting through a tackle from Harris and touches down next to the uprights

 

 

They lose possession, however when Steenkamp knocks on after copping a solid hit from Louw!

 

 

Coetzee puts in a huge hit on Taufua close to the Boks' 22-metre line! The New Zealander does well to retain possession and shrugs off the tackle before continuing with his run!

 

 

Schalk Burger intercepts a pass close to the halfway line before offloading to Jean de Villiers! He sets off towards the tryline and throws a long pass to Willie le Roux who dives over in the left-hand corner

 

He offloads to De Allende, who makes some headway before passing to Pat Lambie, who loses possession after a tackle from David Smith on the World XV's 10-metre line.

 

Pollard beats three defenders and is soon close to the World XV's 22! He offloads to Cobus Reinach who has an easy run-in for the Boks' sixth try!

 

shift the ball wide to De Allende, who is close to the touchline! He delivers a chip kick before beating Rudi Wulf to the ball and grubber kicks it ahead! He still has some work to do and dives on to the ball behind the World XV's tryline for his second try

 

 

 

 

Can't say that corresponds with your comments Tokkie.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 19:54
#3
11 Jul 2015, 19:54#3

More.....

 

In terms of experimentation, Jesse Kriel had a solid outing at No 13 in what were wet and testing conditions at Newlands. Burger offered more at No 8 when he replaced Warren Whiteley in the second half. Whiteley was relatively quiet in the first 40.

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 19:58
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11 Jul 2015, 19:58#4

 And here's your hero Mallett

 

'Damian de Allende played well, Willie le Roux had a great game, Eben Etzebeth was outstanding, Jesse Kriel was great and so was Marcell Coetzee. And then the guys who came on in the second half ... Vincent Koch had an outstanding 30 minutes, Schalk Burger was exceptional and it was lovely to see Jean de Villiers and Cobus Reinach back from injury.

'There was one disappointing aspect of this game. It was played in northern hemisphere-type conditions, and I was a bit disappointed with Handré Pollard's kicking performance. Going into a World Cup, you would want your flyhalf to have a 75% goal-kicking success rate. He had some difficult goal kicks but you would want him to kick better than that. There were also two charge-down kicks, which could be very costly in a World Cup.

'I'd say it's probably [tickets] for JJ Engelbrecht [as far as World Cup selection is concerned]. Maybe Flip van der Merwe could still play a role [for the Boks] if they keep getting injuries. But Pieter-Steph du Toit and Lood de Jager will be coming back. You've also got Etzebeth and Victor Matfield playing we ll and I can see those four locks going to the World Cup

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:00
#5
11 Jul 2015, 20:00#5
 Fairly accurate mike. I think Marcell was outstanding. MOM of match - between him an Allende. 

15  Willie le Roux          -    8,5/10

14  Bryan Habana         -      7/10  6 

13  Jesse Kriel             -    7,5/10   

12  Damian de Allende  -       9/10

11  JP Pietersen          -       6/10    5

10  Handre Pollard       -       7/10   6

 9   Ruan Pienaar        -     5,5/10

 8   Warren Whiteley   -     7,5/10

 7   Marcel Coetzee     -       8/10   9

 6   Francois Louw       -    5,5/10   6

 5   Victor Matfield      -       6/10   3

 4   Eben Etzebeth      -       8/10

 3   Jannie du Plessis   -       4/10  6

 2   Bismarck du Plessis -      7/10   8?

 1   Tendai Mtawarire   -      6/10


16  Adriaan Strauss     -      6/10   8

17  Trevor Nyakane     -      6/10

18  Vincent Koch        -    6,5/10   8

19  Oupa Mohoje        -       5/10

20  Schalk Burger       -       7/10   8

21  Cobus Reinach      -    7,5/10

22  Patrick Lambie      -    7,5/10

23  Jean de Villiers     -       7/10

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:04
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11 Jul 2015, 20:04#6

So it appears Etzebeth and Victor were very good.....as was Burger.  That Coetzee had a fine game, but of course he always does against weak opposition. That in Kriel we have a possible 13 option. That Willie....the showpony as the AAS called him....is still our most dangerous back. That de Allende is an attacking force. That Pienaar was pretty fluid behind a dominating pack.

 

 

It also appears the maligned HM has these guys playing well out of the box.

 

 

For me those results are all as expected with the the only real news the fact that Kriel had a good debut.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:06
#7
11 Jul 2015, 20:06#7
 Mozart
That tackle you referred to was one of the hardest tackles made during the match and the fact that Taufua got up was amazing - he did not get far even when getting up.  It was not as you implied a missed tackle as after the tackle Coetzee went over him and he could get up.   Your comment is misleading in that case.
I did not say anything about Matfield other than he was not good enough in Tight 5 play and that the Tight 5 was struggling too much for my liking.  The reason was two players - Jannie and Matfield whose performances - compared to the others were not really good enough.
You are shirking from comments about my other assessments - especially Reinach and Lambie.   Are you enjoying the crow?
By the way you mentioned De Allende as if he did very little in scoring his two tries and that the first try was entirely due to Matfield picking up a poor pass of Pienaar and that he made the try by passing the ball to De Allende.   Matfield did pick up the ball and pass it to DE Allende who had to beat three tackles to score.   That was one of the reasons why I gave Matfield 6/10 - for the rest he was not very obvious.   The second try was also a bit of a misdescription.   De Allende got the ball on the Springbok 25 - beat a tackle and ran about 30 meters with the ball in hand before making the chip kick - which he followed up and was to pacy for the other two players chasing after the ball.  He dribbled the kick forward and and scored the try.
Would you still replace De Allende with Frans Steyn?  Have you not found a reason yet to go for De Allende during the game?  Do you disagree with the above assessment and the comment of the studio panel that if there was a MOM selected today - it would have been De Allende?

 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:12
#8
11 Jul 2015, 20:12#8
Wasn't my comment Tokkie....it's straight from the match report.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:15
#9
11 Jul 2015, 20:15#9
 Mike, wee matfiled 105 kg should be ditched immediately. 
Meyer has to give his young props test expererience. 
I was very impressed watching Koch motoring down the wing. Wonder how Kitshoff is fitness wise.
With Flip again available and Du Toit on the mend and Willemse only needing a call up we have no need of the show pony. Bakkies has done the honourable thing and retired at 35. Would that the hapless 38 year old matfiled would do likewise NOW.Stop thinking of yourself victor!!!
I think Jaque Du Plessis should be called up as should the Lions tearaway flank Kriel. Vorster too.
Meyer is sooo slow in moving in the right direction.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:18
#10
11 Jul 2015, 20:18#10
 Mozart
You did not quote what the panel said about the MOM issue - now did you?
Secondly your assessment of Coetzee is crap.  The opposing loosies was top class and of the best available.   Armitage was the player of the tournament in Europe last year and Taufua was outstanding in Super 15.  In tests there will nto much better loosies - so your if and buts is your normal prejudice showing through.
Pienaar's service was slow and that put Pollard under pressure - Reinach was much better and added to the attacking value of the backline as well.   The pack was not as dominant as you mention - for that you need to thank Jannie and Matfield with Louw not that good either.    
Whiteley did his job well in the time he was on the field of play  - but you would not have seen the amount of work he put in - his large number of tackles - he was good in the line-outs too.   Obviously you missed out on that because you did not want to see it.   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:19
#11
11 Jul 2015, 20:19#11
So after quoting Mallett at us, when it doesn't suit you, you ignore Mallett ....HasBEEN? Mallett said Victor and Etebeth played well.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:21
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11 Jul 2015, 20:21#12

Coetzee will flop against Oz next week....you heard it here first. Reinach and Lambie had zero pressure on them. And Lambie was playing in his best position....15.

 

 

Need any more input? 

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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:31
#13
11 Jul 2015, 20:31#13

And here are the ratings from Rugby365:


 15 Willie le Roux
A mixed back from the usually reliable fullback. Started the match with a few errors but grabbed a hat-trick before being sent to the bin for a dangerous tackle.
6/10

14 JP Pietersen
Was he even on the field?
2/10

13 Jesse Kriel
Repaid the faith Heineke Meyer had in him with an excellent first half showing and combined well with Damien de Allende in midfield.
7/10

12 Damian de Allende
Continued his excellent Super Rugby form and could have penned his name at the starting World Cup inside centre. Bagged a brace in the process.
8/10

11 Bryan Habana
Did not have much ball to work with but when he went looking for work, he showed his class by setting up Le Roux for his second try.
6/10

10 Handré Pollard
Poor kicking game and a fairly uneventful showing in a match where he could have cemented his starting berth.
4/10

9 Ruan Pienaar
Justified his selection with excellent service and go-forward ball to release the backline.
7/10

8 Warren Whiteley
Looked out of sorts on the field and was a far cry from his Super Rugby form which saw him being selected.
5/10

7 Marcell Coetzee
Sheer class with a fantastic all-round performance. Forced turnovers at will and put in some big hits along the way.
9/10

6 Francois Louw
Worked well with Coetzee at the breakdowns but let himself down by being sent to the sin bin.
5/10

5 Victor Matfield (captain)
Another vintage performance by the best No.5 in the country.
7/10

4 Eben Etzebeth
Proved he can mix it with the best and most experienced locks in the world but also showed some nifty footwork for his try.
8/10

3 Jannie du Plessis
There will be many questions raised about his inclusion in the squad after making mo real impact in the game. Was lucky to get away with a dangerous clean out on Botha in the 12th minute.
2/10

2 Bismarck du Plessis
A typical Bismarck performance and showed why he is the best hooker in the country at the moment.
7/10

1 Tendai Mtawarira
Replaced at half-time but not before some good defensive work and strong work at scrum time.
6/10

Replacements:

16 Adriaan Strauss (on for B du Plessis, 53 mins)
Not a bad outing for the hooker and laid a solid foundation for the rest of the year.
6/10

17 Trevor Nyakane (on for Mtawarira, 40 mins)
Had plenty of time to prove he deserves his spot in the team and did an okay job - nothing spectacular.
5/10

18 Vincent Koch (on for J du Plessis, 53 mins)
Proved why he is regarded as one of the best props in the country and showed J du Plessis that his position is under serious threat.
7/10

19 Teboho Mohoje (on for Etzebeth, 67 mins)
Did not hurt his World Cup chances and proved to be a worthy lock replacement.
5/10

20 Schalk Burger (on for Whiteley, 53 mins)
Made an immediate impact and further cemented his legendary status with another massive performance.
7/10

21 Cobus Reinach (on for Pienaar, 67 mins)
Grabbed a try on his return to the field from injury and showed glimpses of his form that saw him receive his Springbok colours.
6/10

22 Pat Lambie (on for Habana, 54 mins)
Definitely brought his kicking boots with and certainly has an argument for being the starting flyhalf.
6/10

23 Jean de Villiers (on for Kriel, 60 mins)
A nice run about by the returning captain who assisted in Le Roux' hat-trick try, even though he looked pretty hesitant and nervous.
6/10

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:34
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11 Jul 2015, 20:34#14
 Mozart 
The players that will flop nest week is not Coetzee, but Jannie (if Meyer is stupid enough to select him) and Matfield.   
My info is that Malherbe will start against OZ and the idea was to see who should come of the bench - Jannie or Koch.  The better player by some distance was Koch - so we may not see Jannie at all next week.  We are not very lucky though - Matfield will be there again.      On the other hand there is no chance of Morne and Frans Steyn be there toi bugger up the backline fo teh Springboks.    
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:37
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11 Jul 2015, 20:37#15
 I have in fact just posted an piece about Mallets views on players which inlcudes his blunder re the hapless wee matfiled 105 kg. Posted it before seeing yoru commnet too!!!.
Do you realise Dr Mozzzzz that Whitely also is 105 kg. Why not play him at lock as at least he is far more mobileand physcial and is a very good lineout forward. Bwahhahahahahahahahaha
Its embarrasing watching wee vctor tackle and go back meters in the effort - even against backs! Hahahahahahahahahahhaha what a joke the old geyser is at lock!!! I note also he is dying his grey beard!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:44
#16
11 Jul 2015, 20:44#16
 Worst player was Jannie. His poorest display ever. On today's performance, he does not deserve to be near a bok team.JP was almost absent and as if his lack of speed wasn't enoygh, he was lazy as well.Matfield did very little. A couple of lame tackles and his cameo on the wing were way below par.Pollard was uncomfortable in the first 3/4 of the game, but got better towards the end.Pienaar was ok and actually much better than what I expected, but we need Faf at 9.Oupa wasn't bad. Willie got better as the game went on.Kriel had a very solid start in Bok colours.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:44
#17
11 Jul 2015, 20:44#17

Coetzee is the Carolyn Wozniacki of flankers.....great against poor opposition.  The Aussies will clean his clock, I just hope it doesn't lose us the test. The Stormers/Brumbies contest showed how poorly we perform if we lose the ball on the ground contest.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:48
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11 Jul 2015, 20:48#18
 Draad matfiled groupies will be singing matfileds praise for a great performance even when he is not playing.But you are right he was again pathetic. Bwahahahahahahahhahahaha
Dump matfiled and oupa and tell Jp to up the ante or else he also is a goner.
Jannie was undisciplined etc. Meyer must play his younger props. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jul 2015, 20:50
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11 Jul 2015, 20:50#19
 Matfield 5, 6 at best. Nyakane was better than a 5. 6 at least, but I'd give him 6.5.Warren 6.5Mahoje 6Jannie 0
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2015, 21:02
#20
11 Jul 2015, 21:02#20
Mahoje is a quota player. Away with him and others like him.



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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jul 2015, 21:10
#21
11 Jul 2015, 21:10#21

...lets hope Willie Le Roux survives the Rugby Championship as the Boks would be screwed without him...great player and will be key to SA's RWC campaign

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2015, 21:36
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11 Jul 2015, 21:36#22
 Brycy we now have Allende, Kriel,Willie, Faf and Reinach and of course Habana who has skinned the wee abs on many an occassion.  Not to mention Pollard who put the abs to the sword and showed old mcaaaw for the has been ou he is!
Beeno continuing his classes for ou brycy and the kbbs! Who else would labour away like this!
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jul 2015, 21:54
#23
11 Jul 2015, 21:54#23
 ...Bean Brain some of those players need to lose some weight cos the Samoans are on a low fat diet..
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jul 2015, 22:26
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11 Jul 2015, 22:26#24
 I am afraid diets of any kind wont assist the hapless samoans brycy.  They will be trounced once and squeal like crazy about the Boks being too hard on them again!
No more about the Samoans brycy they are non events not worth of a moments consid eration! 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
11 Jul 2015, 22:28
#25
11 Jul 2015, 22:28#25
 Yes, Samoa are going to dish out some punishment. Typically this is hardest on those team that like the physical game & don't have the skills to avoid contact.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jul 2015, 22:35
#26
11 Jul 2015, 22:35#26
 Bean Brain yr right...worrying about the Samoans too much is not good for your health...best we not mention what will happen to SA when they meet Samoa in Pool Play...the two top teams from each pool will be going through anyway so lucky for you I guess..
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
11 Jul 2015, 22:40
#27
11 Jul 2015, 22:40#27
Beeno: one win against a make-shift team. I guess if you are starved for a "w" then any win will do By the way was the ref a kiwi?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,283 posts
12 Jul 2015, 01:22
#28
12 Jul 2015, 01:22#28
Watching that clip posted from Jerome, The World XV back-line was terrible. The Boks had a much better backline on paper and it showed- with Delande especially. 

Although it was a nice warm up game for the international season,  the backline tries were pretty soft. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jul 2015, 01:51
#29
12 Jul 2015, 01:51#29
 Apart from the individual tackling which was woeful, the Worlds had no defensive structure. When Etzebeth scored he simply ran into space. In de Allende's first try after the handy Matfield offload....only Harris was there....flyhalf on centre ...take note Tokkie. After he beat that pap  tackle attempt it was a simple run in.
We can't take a lot from this game...it was a chance for the players to get familiar with each other.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2015, 03:05
#30
12 Jul 2015, 03:05#30
 Mozart
That story about the De Allende's first try there were three players beaten by De Allende - so get your facts right for a change.   You seems to give more credit to an off-load from Matfield than for De Allende beating three defenders.  Matfield was not anywhere near the forwards and was standing around in the backline - picking up a wild pass and passed it to De Allende - the sum-total of his contribution.
The same rubbish time and again from you.   Still prefer Frans Steyn at 12?      
    
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2015, 03:13
#31
12 Jul 2015, 03:13#31
The main problem of Pollard today was the slow service he got from Pienaar.  The latter was really slow in picking up balls coming out of mauls and from line-outs.  Pollard improved drastically the moment Reinach appeared on the scene.   Pienaar may show some form in NH conditions - but he is too slow in SH conditions.    
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jul 2015, 06:38
#32
12 Jul 2015, 06:38#32
Rooinek

Status: Senior player
Posts: 2779 RE: Springbok fullback, who is the best option?
June 04, 2015, 21:33:14

I picked Jesse Kriel in my Bok team earlier today but I was very close to picking Cheslin Kolbe instead. I'd be happy with either one but I suspect it will be the off-form poser Willie le Roux who gets the nod.

 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2015, 08:24
#33
12 Jul 2015, 08:24#33
 Mozart
I suppose you are ducking the center issue and not answering my question on the issue of your two center selections - Fransie and Fourie as the ideal center combination.  
Same as you constantly harp on De Allende's defense while ignoring the fact that Fransie is statistically worse in defense than De Allende.   
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jul 2015, 11:00
#34
12 Jul 2015, 11:00#34
You have to love the input from those that did not even watch the game.....classic stuff
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2015, 11:57
#35
12 Jul 2015, 11:57#35
Dave 
You mean Mozart, Desert Disaster and the NZ supporters.   As you said - classic stuff.    
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jul 2015, 15:14
#36
12 Jul 2015, 15:14#36
No you have to love the starry eyed input from those who cant even measure degree of difficulty.....the Cheetahs would have provided more defensive resistance. And Im not joking.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2015, 15:19
#37
12 Jul 2015, 15:19#37
 Mozart
Just one question and please stick to the truth - did you see the whole match or just a highlight package posted by Jerome V?
About the starry-eyes theory - were you not the starry-eyed individual who tried to justify the potential selection of Francois Steyn - based on his performance in the World 15 game last year?  
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