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Plumtree revisionism

Started by Mozart13 REPLIES500 VIEWS· 07 Apr 2015, 16:48
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2015, 16:48
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07 Apr 2015, 16:48#1

Moronic and the AAS have joined the chorus bemoaning the loss of Plumtree. That despite the fact that no other franchise seems willing to give him a head coaching job. Since leaving the Sharks he has plied his trade as an assistant coach in Ireland and NZ.

 

So what was his S15 record at the Sharks?

 

2008 ...3rd

2009 ...6th

2010 ...9th

2011 ...6th

2012 ...2nd

2013 ...8th

 

The average position was 5.2..... the average position in the two years before him was 3.5. The position in the year after him was 3.

 

He inherited a team which contested the final in 2007....hung onto that model for a year....and then declined, really only having one decent year, in 2012 with the late season surge. Just to show that was a fluke he plummeted to 8th in 2013.

 

When Jake came in he shifted the team up by 5 positions right out of the box. Plumtree showed no trajectory at the Sharks, no ability to sustain brief success. And when he was fired nobody picked him up, except in a purely technical assistant role. This is all humbug.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:05
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07 Apr 2015, 17:05#2
 clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 16100 Jake White confirmed as Director of Rugby of the Sharks
October 07, 2013, 12:43:54

It has been conformed that Jake White has been appointed as Director of Rugby by the Sharks as from 1 November 2013.

 

It now transpires that Venter had no contract with the Sharks - but the question remains what his role for the Sharks be in future.  A full statement on the issue would be dealt with today.   Venter may remain being involved with the Sharks, bit clarity on th issue is being awaited.

 

Now the Sharks will definitely be the winner of Super 15 next year - despite the rumblings of Sasue in respect of the Chiefs.  The only hope of the Chiefs would be up front would be to play Tomas at lock - since they really need a good lock forward.     


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:13
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07 Apr 2015, 17:13#3
 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:22
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07 Apr 2015, 17:22#4
 Jake shifting up the position had more to do with the conference system rg\han anything else.   The Sharks lost one less match than the Bulls and the Stormers did in 2014 and consequently ended up on top of the SA Conference log and got position 3 on the overall log with a home play-off. 
The performance of the SA franchises was atrocious last year and that included the Sharks.  Jake achievement was that the Sharks lost one match fewer than competing SA teams - but that did not mean they were overall competitive - matter of fact they were not.  
So all this brouhaha about White's wonderful achievements are hogwash and in the end the public realized it and most supporters were happy that he left.
Fact is that in 2014 the Sharks played an extremely limited game plan that would ultimately cost them dearly and the factionalism in the squad as well as improvements to the squad was never attended to.
Gold inherited a dogs breakfast from White and the decline that set in after the departure of Plumtree just increased with time.         
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:25
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07 Apr 2015, 17:25#5
 "Gold inherited a dogs breakfast from White and the decline that set in after the departure of Plumtree just increased with time.  "


But, but, but..........."Now the Sharks will definitely be the winner of Super 15 next year ................"
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:27
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07 Apr 2015, 17:27#6
Sharkbok
Ir did not turn out the way I hoped it would.  White and his side-kick Steyn destroyed that hope halfway through the season and it got gradually worse.  


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:30
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07 Apr 2015, 17:30#7
 More Ruckersforum prophecies following the departure of Plumtree.................:

I believe Jake White is on the right track...The Shark's loss to Saracens means zilch.
January 25, 2014, 17:10:46 Saracens beat the Sharks … so what, this was a friendly warm up game with a lot of under graduates in the backs doing their internmanship. Furthermore a SH team coming out of their summer season with a little bit of rust with the forwards that needs to be honed away.

 

To [removed]yse:

 

a)      Jake White is on a mission…no [removed] footing around…his eye is on the trophy…not flash in the pan results.

b)      He has a plan, to create discipline and hard work in a squad with an end goal in mind.

c)      The new comers are just undergraduates that need preparation and exposure to experience.

d)      Not phased by instant results…he believes if you can get the guys to do the right things and do hard work the results will follow.

e)      Create pro fessionalism…the glory and the glamour only come in the end…there will be no holidays and prima donnas …all positions in the team have to be earned the hard way.

f)        He has a vision.

g)      Jake White can reinvent SA rugby by applying these principles.

h)      He has the talent both in experienced die hards and enthusiastic and talented youth …a very good balance."

 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:36
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07 Apr 2015, 17:36#8
 Ceradyne
Who wrote that?   I cannot believe I did it.  But if I did my prophesies really went awry.    
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Apr 2015, 17:47
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07 Apr 2015, 17:47#9
Jake was crap as is Gold, Plumtree had lost the plot after being there too long.........the Sharks need to dig deeper when it comes to a coach.......find another Kiwi 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2015, 18:02
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07 Apr 2015, 18:02#10
 Maybe - maybe not.  Plumtree had massive injury problems in 2013 and at one stage he could not even find a full matchday 23 - he had only 19 players available.
However, the issue is clear - his professionalism and abilities clearly came through with his stint at the Irish and now with the Hurricanes.  He must be laughing his ass off - looking at the present Sharks mess.    
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2015, 18:04
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07 Apr 2015, 18:04#11
Bwaahahahahahaha....ou Moronic....Captain Confusion.  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
07 Apr 2015, 19:11
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07 Apr 2015, 19:11#12
Plumtree did well in the Curry Cup, and Ok in SuperXV>If Anything his results were consistent, and near the top of the SA table.  Put it this way, I doubt Gold could have got those results.
Replacing Plumtree with Jake White or Nick Mallett "may" have been an improvement.
I doubt the Sharks would have made a direct swop for Plumtree with Gary Gold. 
Gary Gold just got in as the Sharks were without a coach. An old pal of Brendon Venter who does most of his coaching writing weekly news articles. 
John Smit had someone to blame in Venter, and the rest was history. 
In the mean time Gary has shown he is fools Gold

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Apr 2015, 22:20
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07 Apr 2015, 22:20#13
 clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 16111 RE: Plumtree revisionism
April 07, 2015, 17:36:00  Ceradyne
Who wrote that?   I cannot believe I did it.  But if I did my prophesies really went awry.   


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Nope. Not your style of writing.

Your prophecies were rather more BS. Your prediction was a more CleverTrevor kind of prophecy. You said that the Sharks would definitely win the 2014 S15. Much like your prophecies about the Boks v Aus and Wales.




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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Apr 2015, 12:02
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08 Apr 2015, 12:02#14

While Mickey is one again wiping the egg-slop from his face can anyone tell me how Jean Deysel was going to boost the Sharks?......this according to the other board Clown, Rooinek. 


I mean seriously, I don't know of a single contribution in any game by the totally useless Deysel, so how on earth can anyone be so dumb as to believe he would boost the Sharks!!?

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