Rassie's Race

This should be fun, especially for everyone who has already judged Rassie, thrown him under the bus to the wolves, and discredited him completely.

First of all, the very fact that World Rugby themselves have apparently agreed to 23 of the 26 complaints that Rassie raised in the video is telling, especially when 23 of those 26 mistakes were made by a professionally paid full time referee.

I have previously said before, I have massive respect for rugby referees, because it is a thankless, difficult job.... but if they are not held to a certain standard, then obviously the standard of refereeing will drop over time, without any consequences for continuous bad calls or poor performance..... it happens in every single business and sport, where the officials or people in charge are held accountable.... so rugby is not that special, to be treated any differently, irrespective of how many rules, laws or regulations there are. 

"World Rugby has reportedly conceded that Rassie Erasmus was justified in the claims he made during a 62-minute video criticising referees during the 2021 British & Irish Lions series"

"Erasmus has denied responsibility after he was accused of leaking the video into the public domain, but in another twist it now appears that the clip was first leaked and viewed in Australia before it went viral on social media"

"Erasmus maintains he only sent the video to Berry, SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux, the Springbok coaching staff and players, and World Rugby referee bosses Joel Jutge and Joe Schmidt."

"Former international referee Nigel Owens has previously pointed out that it is nothing new for coaches to give feedback to referees through videos. In his career, he has received one such video in which 48 incidents in a match were pointed out."

"World Rugby has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Erasmus leaked the video if it wants to successf ully prosecute him"

"While it was initially reported that the result of the three-Test series – which the Springboks won 2-1 – could have been overturned as a possible punishment if Erasmus and SA Rugby were found guilty, this possibility has since been ruled out. The outcome of the series will remain unchanged regardless of the outcome of the disciplinary hearing."

"It is understood that the worst that can happen is that Erasmus and SA Rugby can be fined and held liable for the disciplinary case’s costs, which will be in euros"

Rassie has not even been given the benefit of the doubt by people on this forum, he has been judged and sentenced already.....

Rassie is not stupid, do you really think he would pull in some of the best legal minds we have, if he even remotely stood a chance of being caught out doing something wrong...… like leak a video

The truth may still come out..... but discredit Rassie at your own peril.

I predict a lot of egg all over many people's faces on this forum alone, never mind around the world.

This is a race I can definitely see Rassie winning

The problem here is that José was not intent on bettering the game, but trying to get an edge. If he were to try and better the game, why not embrace clips of the lopsided calls going the way of the Boks. He is creating the perception that the Boks are victims, and they are being picked on by refs. They most certainly are not. The Boks of this season are the 2010 All Blacks. He then inserts race to further instill fear into the refs. Whichever way you slice it, José is a manipulative person looking for personal gain. He would better off getting his house in order and actually doing his job, which he hasn't been doing very well at all. José has always been about gimmicks are workarounds, instead of being a top quality coach to get his players playing well. 

"Why not take the side that lines up with that desire in a situation like this?"

"I don’t trust WR. I haven’t for years. And I don’t care if we win or lose nearly as much as I care about a fair contest with refs being nothing more than admin workers."

My sentiments exactly

I am very glad that Rassie has done this, and I also have no doubt at all that even though some people may not appreciate this happening right now..... they will when they see the benefits of more consistent reffing performances when their own team or country is playing a crucial game....

"The problem here is that José was not intent on bettering the game, but trying to get an edge"

More assumptions, and absolutely zero facts

Rassie was not trying to "better" any game...… he was requesting feedback from the ref on certain issues, especially their penalties from that first game...... before selecting his next team for that series....

Now, since the video has been leaked, you surmise that he did this to "better" the game...… he didn't... he submitted his video to the ref in Australia, because he wanted clear answers to those penalties that were awarded against the Springboks in that particular single game…..

"If he were to try and better the game, why not embrace clips of the lopsided calls going the way of the Boks"

Again...... it is now common knowledge that he was insisting on answers to prevent the same penalties from occurring and perhaps making team changes to circumvent those penalties from the first game, not to "better" the game

Very simple actually

Aug

"If he were to try and better the game, why not embrace clips of the lopsided calls going the way of the Boks. He is creating the perception that the Boks are victims, and they are being picked on by refs."

The short answer - plausible deniability RE the "leak".

Current players and other very reputable international rugby refs have openly discussed this practice happening all the time...…. where rugby coaches send video analysis of games straight after they have occurred, to get feedback or clarity on certain issues, so that they can proceed with game plans and team selections.

This is not new at all, and it is not suspicious in nature, in any way.... nor is it abnormal practice...

But wait..... because Rassie did it....

Well done DA. You put that clown org in his little box!

No side has ever been on the receiving end of bad calls like the Boks. Probably due to Apartheid and of course the very physical way the Boks play.

But as i have said on a number of occasions the moz and the org are behind the anti Rassie sentiment here. Moz has been anti Rassie since the days when Rassie captained and coached Free State.

But given Rassie's outstanding coaching etc they have had mountains of EGG landing on them. This has led to ever increasing unhinged attacks on Rassie and the Boks.

I warned long ago that Rassie was likely not the one who leaked the video. I said sending in these vides was normal practice. I said there were far to many so called errors. Imaging getting so many call wrong. 26 per Rassie and now its conceded to be 23!!!.

I recall Sean Fitzpatrick, big cook though he was getting embarrassed when some 21 calls went against the Boks and him apologizing for the ref.

Of course genuine rugby lover want competent fair refs. Unhinged rabid nutters dont. 

Face facts. The two anti Rassie loons here have been severely embarrassed and if it means the Boks crashing and burning to get Rassie out of the picture they would welcome that. Hence the win against Wales is described as being "joyless"

DA I said a while back if they cant prove Rassie leaked the video they have no case. Looks like that call could be correct to.

We have had a very good run and even now are 0.04 points short of the number 1 ranking. YET some here have nothing but complaints. You would think we are ten in the rankings! The point is its not and occasional moan, its a never ending unseemly whinge, a high pitched whine, like a mosquito that refuses to go away.

Of course the IRB cant be trusted Plum. They would never have handled the Rassie incident like they did if they were honest. The 23 errors is of little or no concern to them. Its all about who leaked the video and damn Rassie for making it.

Sitzsack. You need to lay off the moonshine. Put in his place? Every word I said was factual. Josè has no business speaking of unfairness when the Boks are THE prime beneficiaries of biased or poor reffing. It's been many, many years since the Boks had a hard time with poor refs. The final year was 2011. Ignorant fans kept quoting 2010 stats as "evidence" years later for bias that didn't exist at the time of their postings. Wise up and fly right Sitzsack, or you'll end up in the Kak Pack, headed by Dr Pepper and his Chihuahua, Unteromlett. 

The longer it goes the more likely Harrassmus will be sanctioned. If it was a nothing burger they could have exonerated the gadfly and flushed the detritus out  of their lives. If it’s going to be controversial the tendency would be to wait for the tour to end…why put the revenues at risk.

A total embarrassment to the high standards of sportsmanship South Africa has always espoused.

It is claimed by South African sources that World Rugby agrees with most of Harrassmus’ calls….WR themselves have said nothing.

All Harrassmus  has done is introduce more lawyering into rugby and made games tediously longer . The calls are no more accurate than they were before, largely because rugby is an incredibly complicated game to officiate.

The Mapimpi try was correctly called…but even if you disagree Mapimpi’s interference with the catchers deserved a penalty.

i am convinced that Mozart and the Kindergarten Imbecile hates SA rugby - first of all they support two utterly deficient coaches and when Erasmus came on they started attacking him before he assumed duty.    Both Meyer and Coetzee was so incompetent that  in the case of Meyer was told that if he applied for contract extension it would not be granted,   Coetzee was fired because he was grossly incompetent.  What followed them is equally clear - both were fired by the clubs they subsequently coached for "gross incompetence'.   

That being said we hear a lot of dreamed up garbage about how effective those two discredited were as SA coaches - yet the attacks started and factually were based on lies Mozart spread on site and the Kindergarten Imbecile dreamed up.   The two are jokes in bad taste and they were called rugby idiots of the worst kind - yet they continued with their pet hate idiocy.   

The two claimed they know better than anybody else - but in fact gave the impression that they know what their prejudices allow them to know and that is virtually nothing at all.               

"As Moz says, where is the OFFICIAL word from World Rugby"

Come on man..... let's at least just be honest here..... we all know that it makes absolutely no difference at all

The people who are against Rassie on this specific issue will not change their opinion of this, even if WR did admit to agreeing with 23 of the 26 queries.... you know it.... I know it

Let' s not play games

"All Harrassmus  has done is introduce more lawyering into rugby"

Actually no moz.....all Rassie did was submit a video of queries to the ref, that he wanted feedback on

Other than that, if there is no conclusive proof at all that Rassie leaked this video, then why are you blaming him for all of this? 

All Rassie did, was exactly what all other coaches have done in the past......and continue to do today

So, let's say that World Rugby end up agreeing with the fact that Rassie was correct with 23 of his 26 complaints against Nic Berry.

Interesting stat:

There were 35 minutes of active ball  play in the time that Nic Berry got these 23 decisions wrong.

This means that Nic Berry made an incorrect call against the Springboks, every 90 seconds.

If you cannot see that as being wrong, then you cannot honestly call yourself a Springbok supporter.

Below... should have been a clear clue as to what Rassie already knew.... a while ago already.

As I have repeatedly said, it is crazy to see how many people have just thrown Rassie under the bus, without knowing any of the facts, which obviously still need to be determined.

If Rassie is found guilty of releasing the video, I will be the first one to make judgement on him, but it is very interesting indeed, to see so many people on this forum not giving him any benefit of the doubt...

Below is what Rassie tweeted about Eddie Jones, when Eddie Jones asked World Rugby to discipline Rassie as swiftly as possible.

"Good man!! Great coach!! 99% correct on everything !! 1% = what if the video was not leaked by Rassie" https://t.co/C7Mw5VkQIt

— Rassie Erasmus (@RassieRugby) September 9, 2021 

I don't believe that José acted out of character. We know who and what he is, how he operates. I simply believe he was consistent with his character. 

"Every word I said was factual"

Assumptions and opinions..... but absolutely no facts at all.

"I don't believe"...…"I simply believe"

Correct, these are your beliefs...… but absolutely no facts at all.

For someone who professes to always post facts that you can back up, and that you never bluff when it comes to posting correct and verifiable information... you certainly fell way short on this topic

"We know who and what he is"

Who is we?

What have I put forward as fact that has been errant? You're crossing over your own feet on this one. 

José is a gimmick coach who looks to try and get an edge anywhere but on the training ground. Whether it be disco lights, being the coach on the field as the water boy or whatever. Yes, we know what he is. Are you ignorant of this? 

"What have I put forward as fact that has been errant?"

Most of what you have put forward about Rassie so far

"Are you ignorant of this?"

No, but it is abundantly clear that you are

"You're crossing over your own feet on this one"

LMAO.... says the person who is posting opinions, assumptions, theories...…...lies

"Yes, we know what he is"

Who is we..... ?

Excellent posts DA.  

I agree with all you post but differ on one point. I had hoped Rassie had leaked the video to expose the crooked reffing. Then he would get full credit for exposing the corruption. Enough of hiding corruption and doing nothing about it year after year.

So we had a wrong call against the Boks every 90 seconds! How is any side going to win against that. We should have won the series 3 zip. Time to award the first test to the Boks!.

DA the trouble here is that these two have lost their marbles. I am convinced that of the bottom of all their drivel is a passionate hatred of RASSIE BECAUSE Rassie has showed them up big time again and again. Look at what mozzzz just posted -"If it was a nothing burger they could have exonerated the gadfly and flushed the detritus out  of their lives"  MOZZZ CANT CONTAIN HI FURY! B WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now they are so unhinged they cant see the wood from the trees. And its not just Rassie getting slammed by these two nutters, its the Bok team as well. Look at the vitriol directed  at World player of the year Steph du Toit. Incredible stuff really revealing how mentally frazzled they are.

Never thought I see the day Mozzzz would lose it on so many issues. Org has always made weird comments about rugby but they have got progressively worse. The two egg each other on to greater degrees of absurdity day by day..

Of course the IRB wll search for a way to save face. However they need be careful as Rassie might just turn around and sue them for millions if they try to unjustly punish him.

Lets see what happens. So far its looking good for Rassie and the Bok supporters.

"was not very professional to bite the hand that feed you. There is more discreet ways of dealing with such a issue. That would have been the more Professional way to bring his complaints over and would have kept Rassie,s integrity intact."

There you go, assuming again that Rassie leaked the video...it has not been proven yet.

It is common practice for coaches to get feedback from referees in this way.

"Rassie is a clever guy, and he knew exactly that this Video would cause a Media Frenzy. Even if most of the complaints that Rassie listed, is correct and valid, it was not very professional to bite the hand that feed you. There is more discreet ways of dealing with such a issue. That would have been the more Professional way to bring his complaints over and would have kept Rassie,s i ntegrity intact"

Too funny

You are now behaving exactly like the guy who continually boasts to the whole forum that all he ever does is post facts, that he can always back up.... Augenöffner

Thank fuck you guys don't do any jury duty, lol..... it's hilarious how you guys carry on about Rassie

Mark my words, it will never ever be proven that Rassie leaked this video.... and as it stands right now..... the evidence is pointing to the video being leaked out of Australia

"Especially because it came from Rassie"

Are you saying that someone deliberately went out of their way to get Rassie in shit with world rugby?

"It is common practice for coaches to get feedback from referees in this way"

Please tell me..... how and why is this so bloody difficult to either understand or comprehend?

What Rassie did was not abnormal in any way, shape or form.....

"You are now behaving exactly like the guy who continually boasts to the whole forum that all he ever does is post facts, that he can always back up.... Augenöffner"

You don't say!

It leaked out of Australia….ie Berry and the other parties involved in the Australian refereeing scene wanted to get Harrassmus so badly that they leaked a video that made Berry appear incompetent. Yep that makes sense….NOT!

"It could happen that they strip the Boks of the lions series win....wonder what you guys would say then??? "

Clearly you have not read this thread properly, because this was in the very first post Mpower

"While it was initially reported that the result of the three-Test series – which the Springboks won 2-1 – could have been overturned as a possible punishment if Erasmus and SA Rugby were found guilty, this possibility has since been rule d out. The outcome of the series will remain unchanged regardless of the outcome of the disciplinary hearing."

"It is understood that the worst that can happen is that Erasmus and SA Rugby can be fined and held liable for the disciplinary case’s costs, which will be in euros"

"You both are refusing to see the obvious fact that by sending this Video rassie set in motion the chain of events that is leaving SA rugby in a bad light"

I am honestly trying to understand your logic here Mpower…...so in other words, you are saying that no more rugby coaches must ever submit anymore video analysis to the match officials for feedback, from them or the ref himself, because they run the risk of that video being made public and making that rugby nation look like bad losers?

Yes, that makes perfect sense.....

"we all have our own opinions and that makes it interesting"

I fully agree with you here Mpower….

And as you say, they are all opinions..... NOT facts.... as some people would like you to believe

"It leaked out of Australia…. Yep that makes sense….NOT!"

Yep, absolutely no proof whatsoever that it first leaked out of Australia...…. it is all unfounded media speculation

Just like there is absolutely no proof that Rassie leaked this to the media...… it is all unfounded media speculation

The irony