Rassie's Race

"So if It wa s not leaked in Australia by Berry and co. And rassie did not leak it, who did it then? That’s the Million dollar Question"

Where there is smoke...…..

"yes to a extend that is what I mean, I believe that a appropriate communication canal, especially for ref issues, should be opened that is directly linked to top brass of WR"

I'm confused with your rationale here Mpower …… because that is exactly what happened

This is the exact basis of Rassie's defense…..as per Rassie's own admission as well as from his legal team..... only certain specific people received the video, including people at WR.

He followed the correct channel that was put in place for this very reason

Well there are issues raised in the tape which are above Berry’s pay grade. For example the behavior of Gatland and the Lions in objecting to the TMO. 

If Erasmus wanted to address the Lions conduct with respect to refs two tapes should have been made and the tape addressing specific match reffing issues is the only one that should have been sent to Berry.

The introduction to the match issues, which droned on and on, had the sense of a general plea for understanding and support, mentioning stuff the supposed recipients  already knew.  To me it sounded very much like it was intended for a wider audience.

And then, voila, the Aussies leaked the tape that made their leading ref look like an incompetent….supposedly. And made Harrassmus’ preamble totally relevant.

"not to Berry"

Surely the ref who is being questioned regarding any potential poor performance should be given the opportunity to receive any video analysis of his own work?

Remember, the whole reason for submitting the video in the first place, is to get some clarity from the ref himself, on why he personally penalized the team for that specific incident.....

Much like sending an email and copying the powers that be......

"Well there are issues raised in the tape which are above Berry’s pay grade. For example the behavior of Gatland and the Lions in objecting to the TMO"

Fully agree with this

"If Erasmus wanted to address the Lions conduct with respect to refs two tapes should have been made and the tape addressing specific match reffing issues is the only one that should have been sent to Berry"

Provided that that is their internal process to follow, yes, but we don't and won't probably get the answer to that.

I would assume though, that if what Rassie did, went against world rugby's own internal process, it would have made it to the press already.

DA I believe you said somewhere this will come down to a like/dislike of Rassie. Which is so typical of these modern disputes, there is rarely a winner in the debate.  We can all believe what we want to believe with some justification.. personally all that false modesty turns my stomach but each to their own.

Yes DA thank goodness members of this board will never be choosen to participate as jurors in a court case...the poor accused would have a better  chance in a kangaroo court...prejudice, biased and don't discern in proper context...in truth actually this is making mountains out of molehills as well...a storm in a teacup by small people who lead boring and empty lives. Issue makers.

Congrats to DA who has knocked poor mampara power and mozzzzz out of the park.

By the way mampara power you should realize the hand feeding Rassie is the South African Rugby Board and they are fully behind him on this issue.

Some of the oaks here love the idea that the public never get to see these tapes. But they still don't realize  that all the incompetence and cheating we see is because there are no consequences, no transparency. Bad reffing is covered up, swept under the carpet.

So we get to the the point that in a big test match, with supposedly atop ref, the ref incorrectly penalizes the Boks ever 90 seconds. Then astonishingly we have mozzzz, the org and this mampara power oak slamming Rassie with no proof of wrongdoing. You cant make this BS up! Hahhahahahahahahahahahahaha   hilarious stuff from the three nutters!

Rassie said he has sent in a number of  tapes to the IRB re poor reffing and never even got an answer.

I say thank goodness this tape saw the light of day.

https://youtu.be/WGau8RBMNG8

"No one here is saying Rassie cannot complain if it is justified"

You are kidding right?

Rassie has been continuously lambasted by many on this forum alone, for making South Africa look like complainers.... whiners..... and each to their own on this issue.

Spin it anyway you like Mpower…... but Rassie would have been ridiculed and attacked if he had raised these issues with world rugby by any other means...... whether it be done formally or informally..... you know it.... I know it.

"DA I believe you said somewhere this will come down to a like / dislike of Rassie"

As do most issues that are the same or similar in nature

I don't mind saying this again, because on this specific point, I truly do believe it

If you are completely at peace with the Springbok team getting incorrectly penalized, every 90 seconds...…... during a test match that is only played every 12 years...… and you don't believe at all that the coach should raise that as a significant issue or concern...... then you cannot be a genuine Springbok supporter.

There is no way at all for me to even begin to understand why you would think that is fair towards the team you fully support.

Just my opinion

"I don’t care if it’s Rassie, Jones or Spider-Man and I don’t give a shyte about which country the plaintiff hails from.

If it means pressure is applied to WR and results in more discussion about how to improve officiating, and ultimately less bad calls, then I’m for it.

Arguing that it ma kes the Boks look bad is merely suggesting that Rassie should wait for someone else to do it."

Spot on Plum

I am not a massive Rassie fan, and I doubt you will find one single post from me, where I have praised him as the Springbok coach...…. but I do fully support him for backing the Springbok name and brand, by raising the awareness of blatant unfair refereeing against our national side.

Rooi

"The reffing is as good as it's going to get."

Nope, it's not.

Do tell how you place such a strict limitation on a topic containing as many variables as 80 minutes of rugby?

You seem to be saying we're currently at the human and technological limit of what refs can achieve on the field?

"Cumon, man!"

Rooinek

We all know already that you are not a true supporter of the Springboks brand.... you have always openly preferred that they select black quota players over more qualified white players.... that is just who you are... we have got used to this type of behaviour from idiots like you.

"Rassie and all the snivelling little ref-bashers who condone his pathetic behaviour need to man up. Rugby is not for crybabies"

Say that to all those spectators that saved up their hard earned money to watch a decent rugby contest, which happens once every 12 years...… between legendary nations..... only for it to get completely fucked up.... by one individual.... yeah...… all of that planning and anticipation..... getting completely fucked up by one single guy.

You are exactly the kind of guy that does a runner, instead of facing something head on.... it's in your genetic make up, and it's precisely why you support the black players over the whilte players..... you just want the problem to go away as soon as possible without having to deal with it....

Now you know why everyone sees you as the board coward

ButtPlug, you can't have it both ways. You can't tell me how much better reffing can be while continually dodging the questions I've asked you repeatedly about how you propose World Rugby improves reffing.

Once again, the refs on World Rugby's panel are the best refs we have on this planet. There are no better referees hiding away somewhere. They're as good as it's going to get and no system of threats or rewards is going to magically make them infallible. How are you suggesting we change that? Search for life on other planets? Huh?

Cool, tell you what, Rooi...pay me a two-month contract fee, as well as making allowances for special consultants that include players, coaches, software engineers, production staff, referees and perhaps a tea lady or two.

I'll have it to you in early January.

Now, if you want it sooner, we can talk

So the short answer is no, you can't think of any ways to improve reffing? Noted. Perhaps you should stop whining about the naughty refs until you think of something. Just a thought . . .

Rooi

I can think of a good few ways to improve reffing. 

What I can't do, is bother discussing them with you. I'm simply not interested enough.

Its easy rooiwtit. Fire refs who crook and demote incompetent refs and give them additional training. If they still foul up fire them too.

Like any marxist loon redrooi will always side with the lawbreakers. Doubtless ou rooi took the knee as well. He is a very servile gimp!

"Fire refs who crook and demote incompetent refs and give them additional training. If they still foul up fire them too."

Ummm . . . but that's already happening. Refs performances are analyzed and they are then promoted or demoted accordingly. What's new there?

Oaks crooks will defend crooking and that is what we are seeing here.

Further we have all the evidence that the so called vaccines are causin g many deaths and severe adverse reactions but these same liars say the vaxx are safe.

The truth is not in these scoundrels. They don't come more bent than ou rooitwit and now mozzzz and the org have joined this nefarious group of nutjobs.   Who wouda thought!

"Wehe . . . Dumbass is so utterly obsessed with me that he stoops to these kind of barefaced lies to try and score cheap points"

Really Piss Mint....

The last time you denied this, I showed you up for the blatant compulsive liar that we all know you to be

As usual, you have a very selective memory...

Amazing how when someone posts the actual truth about you as a person, showing your true character..... it is barefaced lies...

Hilarious

It's okay Dumbass, I'm not expecting the proof any time soon. I know you have a lot of material to work through. Until then we'll just assume you're a liar with a big mouth and nothing to back it up.

"your spinning kung-fu kicks and making everyone's jaws drop open in shock and awe if you can't even sum up the courage to substantiate your blatant lies?"

Says the idiot that thinks he can slap everyone around....

I told you already Rooinek, I am not your wife, nor one of your kids

"Come on then Dumbass, we know you are the king of the copy and paste"

Done it before, and you refused to respond to my post

You scurried away like the little yellow bellied coward we all know you to be

"The trouble is rooiwtit is an immoral coward with no no backbone. crooking and cover ups suit him just fine"

By his own admission though, at least he is a "Honest" coward

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

"It's okay Dumbass, I'm not expecting the proof any time soon. I know you have a lot of material to work through. Until then we'll just assume you're a liar with a big mouth and nothing to back it up"

I have conclusively shown you up as a blatant liar on this forum more than 5 times already, and you just do what you usually do when something unexpected comes up and shows everyone your true dishonest character..... you slither away into the shadows and hope everyone forgets.... I will give you props there... you are brilliant at running away

LMAO

Hang on ButtPlug, have you rekindled your interest in anything I have to say suddenly?

Like Baboon-ou, you haven't suggested a single improvement that isn't already being done by World Rugby.  

Sorry rooitwit I should have started by saying fire the IRB people in charge of the refs. Install honest people.

Then proceed as directed by Beeno!

The problem is fundamental dishonesty.  Rooitwit you of all people can identify with that!