The Lions at the lineout so often set up with a Bok in front of the telegraphed jumper and with no hope of winning the positional battle. I was very surprised by what I saw. Gatland sides are usually very organised.
Will this drivel never end. Now Gatland is a useless coach and the Lions are no good. Conrad Smith is an idiot and we know it all.
When you whinge about the Boks after all this success you have to be a a serious malcontent.
Who said Conrad is an idiot? It's common knowledge in the rugby coaching community that Gatland made mistake after mistake. You sound hysterical Sitzsack, just sit down, relax the sphincter and breath.
Old HasBeen has found his Captain my Captain……Harrasmus can do no wrong even when he is blatantly using race.
He said nothing about race...and it was obvious that Kolisi was indeed treated differently...
Kolisi was treated the way any nondescript person would be treated. John Smit would build a rapport with a ref, remember his joking about a fumble, "that would never have happened when I was a hooker". Little things to make yourself known, create favourable impressions, have some kind of damn presence. Assertiveness, but Kolisi is extremely passive. May be a nice guy, but he is the worst captain I have ever seen in any sport. You want a handout and special treatment for the black player.
Could you hear what Kolisi said and what the refs said to him….I strongly doubt it was disrespectful.
"disrespectful" might be the wrong word...dismissive maybe...do you really want me to waste 90 minutes watching that horrible match again?
This is is a subjective opinion...you believe the race card was played. I don't. Race wasn't mentioned, but you are not alone in your assumption, some woke journalists did actually infer it too. There is some merit for your opinion, I don't dispute that. You migbt even be right and I might be wrong, but there's no way of proving it either way, so let's agree to disagree on this one.
The tw o frot nincompoops are wrong about just about everything to do with rugby these days.
Cant recall anyone going as daft as these two about anything. Its the scale of their nonsense that is remarkable. Rassie has completely undone the loons! They bleat on and on; a level of drivel seldom seen on the board before. Sheer BS!
Sheer parochialism …,,what you don’t get is nobody outside South Africa respects the way we are playing rugby. And nobody outside South Africa respects the way Rassie destroyed the Lions series with his attack on the referee.
Who knows we may even beat the ABs, but that will be another very unpopular win. The point is we don’t have to win this way….our pack gives us the opportunity to play some great rugby. This is sport not WW2.
Throughout our history we have ways been known as tough guys but good sports. We all deplored England’s lack of sportsmanship after the WC final and now look at us.
There is a lot at stake in the coming weeks, hopefully Nienaber without Harrassmus breathing down his neck can reintroduce the honor in our rugby.
South African rugby is one mistake after another. Meyer should have been retained through to 2019 at least. He greatly expanded our rugby and kept us playing at a higher level with far, far fewer resources. We abandoned the complete rugby model for fantasy rugby under Coetzee and then Beavis and Butthead thereafter without a clue how to get the team playing. The Boks became more and more linear under the duo as their exotic ideas floundered. They aren't having the Boks play this way because it's superior rugby but because it's all they can do. That's what is unacceptable. The duo have never been able to have any team play a comprehensive brand of rugby as evidence by their regression of the Stompies.
"He said nothing about race...and it was obvious that Kolisi was indeed treated differently..."
Kolisi was definitely treated differently, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind.
However, why he was treated differently is still up in the air..... I say it was because he was not assertive enough with the ref and I have mentioned this a few times already..
Some say that Rassie was inferring race..... I don't know, and I doubt it, but given our history, I can understand that perspective and perception from some people....
One thing I do think is certain, is that if Kolisi himself had been more assertive in that particular game with the ref, then this would have been a moot point, unless the same behavior from the ref was on display, which we will never know
Rassie wasn't using the race card.
But there is no mistaking that he did flash the back of it very prominently.
Perhaps that's underhanded or maybe you think it's called for. Too each his own.
Either way, he employed what is currently the strongest social tactic and I think WR caught the drift.
My feeling is that Siya is too quite in all aspects of his captaincy. He doesn't talk to anyone as assertively as he should and that's probably why he got blown off by the refs.
Had he an angry, assertive and dominant presence in his approach, in all likelihood the clip would look a lot different.
Problem is, he doesn't use his general demeanor to his advantage either. If you're gonna be the calm and respectful guy, at least make sure that you use up those credits at the right time with the refs by exploding and being more demanding at the right times - like when it counts.
Berry only had eyes and ears for the Lions captain. It was very evident to those with functioning eyes.
You don't have to be a loud motor mouth.
Rassie never mentioned race.
The wiley mozzzz is trying every trick in the book to discredit Rassie and has from the beginning. What has outraged mozzzzz is the way Rassie has shown him up again and again. Ditto the unfortunate Org who gets his rugby wrong time and again showing he has not grasped even the fundamentals! A bigger blowhard would be hard to find.
Talk about being mozzzz and the Org being butthurt!
With respect, I call BS with this "assertive" nonsense...the referee should be neutral/impartial and let the captain of the team be heard regardless of his demeanour...where do you draw the line?
It’s not the refs job to make a captain act like a captain. Nor is it his job to make the captain’s arguments for him. If there is a discussion it’s because the team disagrees with the ref. The ref is going to repeat his reasoning…..it’s up to the captain to disagree….not to drift off like a small boy who has been rapped over the knuckles.
But it's his job to interact with both captains equally regardless of their personalities...I really thought I heard it all...
It's just this simple: José made a mistake selecting Kolisi as captain. This is evidenced by how he was juggled around between 6 and 7 in 2018. Kolisi has never been a leader. He was just a nice black man, and that's it. A placeholder who tick the box for the politicos. This isn't even like Victor and Smit, where one was a leader, but had to be subordinate. Kolisi has the smallest field presence of every Bok. He won't fight for his team, he doesn't rally his troops, he doesn't lead by example. He is just a body in a shirt designated captain. If you are not going to be vocal, you at least set the standard and energy for every test. By dealing with one's team in that way, you don't have as many problems with the ref, as you are directly ensuring they aren't slipping. Kolisi does not deserve to be a Bok if we are being honest with ourselves. Much less captain, which is absolutely absurd.
It was no mistake...it wasn't a pure rugby decision, politics played a role, but such is life in SA. The referees still need to respect the position, regardless of the personality...this assertiveness BS is attacking a strawman .
What rugby decision? He is a non-factor at the breakdown as a cleaner or pilferer, he doesn't feature prominently ball-in-hand, he is a very mediocre defender, with easily 60% of his tackles being secondary and as little as a hand or two on the opponents back. What does he contribute to the lineout? What does he do exactly? Not a hell of a lot is the answer. It's very common to watch a game and for Kolisi to be absent from beginning to end. He is not test quality, he is not a merit selection. Kolisi was never Bok material, to elevate him to leader of the team is just outlandish LSD infused insanity.
So the ref should baby sit an inadequate captain?
"So the ref should baby sit an inadequate captain?"
Not at all...whoever suggested that ?
ITS NOT THE ROLE OF THE REF TO TURN HIS BACK ON ONE CAPTAIN AND TALK TO THE OTHER CAPTAIN AS AN OLD FRIEND.
Draad I think we are seeing a level of bias and intrinsically anti Bok sentiment that would do credit to that buffoon Canterbury.
By now ou Org should, after being intensively schooled by Mike, Saffex, you and others, realize he know very little about rugby and still less about fair play - much like the mozster who has clearly flipped his lid.
We are going through strange times.
You're too punch drunk Sitzsack. Do lie down and allow the ice pack to do its work.
I didn't want it to be this way, but you left me with no choice.
Aug being schooled by Mike…hahaha….when, where on what topic. What we have here is parochialism vs reason.
As long as refs are human, their interactions and the outcomes of those interactions will, to some degree, be dictated by the way other people interact with them.
A captain must be a good talker or a behemoth of a physical leader. Siya is a decent guy but he's neither of those.
Kolisi is a fantastic bloke, I have absolutely zero against him
However, from a dispute resolution point of view, where one has to discuss something with the ref, or argue a decision or penalty or infringement, give me McCaw or Gregan or even Martin Johnson..... any day of the week.
Kolisi definitely needs to be more assertive, there is no question about it.
Yes and the more he is ignored the more he must raise his voice and scream at the Réf.
No the Réf must do his job and communicate with both captain equally.
It's hardly a mystery.
Yes Mike schooling mozzz and the Org has been a feature on the board recently
Saffex has shattered the two dopes and Draad has nails them regularly.
To be fair given the Laurel and Hardy type performances it has been easy pickings.
It's about impossible to lose a hand where your opponents are claiming that World Rugby Player of the year is no good etc etc etc.
Hence the two dopes having such a hard time of it. One catastrophe leading to another. Bwahahahahahaha.
Best player in the world who wasn't in the top 10 in anything at the World Cup, who has the most missed tackles of every Bok played under Josè, ranked 29th of all top 30 SA ball carriers in the 2019 Super rugby season, ranked 17th of all flanks in SH rugby in 2019 and was a tiny bit below that production for the Boks, made a calamitous error in the All Black encounter. Yes a winning hand indeed. Sitzsack, you are a populist hack beat writer. You tend to become overly hysterical at times too. Calm yourself down.
"Yes and the more he is ignored the more he must raise his voice and scream at the Réf.
No the Réf must do his job and communicate with both captain equally.
It's hardly a mystery. "
Indeed...a well-spoken, assertive captain would be nice, but a good ref shouldn't be swayed by personality...merit...
Okay HasBeen got it …..Harrasmus a good boertjie….the rest of the world bad Engelsmanne….Kolisi captain my captain….Tokkie a genius….the vaccinations bad….horse medications good.
"Yes and the more he is ignored the more he must raise his voice and scream at the Réf"
Well, he would have a case to argue if he was blatantly ignored and did just that....
He was not treated the same, I have already agreed to that many times, but he is partly to blame for that happening to him
"Indeed...a well-spoken, assertive captain would be nice"
Yeah, Kolisi is well spoken.... just nowhere near assertive
