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Rating southern chances ahead of the Rugby World Cup; By Mushu. The ROAR

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Aug 2015, 07:15
#1
19 Aug 2015, 07:15#1

While it has been amusing reading the click-bait headlines bagging the Wallabies’ performance against the All Blacks, anyone who bothered to read the team sheets prior to the game knew the result beforehand.

Losing to the All Blacks’ first-choice side in New Zealand with what, for all intents and purposes, was a trial team should not be cause for concern for Michael Cheika.

So where do the teams stand after this weekend?

Australia

Forwards have come to the party
The Wallabies can scrum! This fact alone should almost guarantee a semi-final appearance (bearing in mind that that Wallabies made it to the penultimate round last World Cup without as solid a set-piece).

If Cheika can maintain this upward trend in forward play, Australia’s claim on ‘Bill’ looks a lot less tenuous.

‘Double fetcher starting’ should be penned to the team roster
Why follow conventional wisdom when you have players of Michael Hooper and David Pocock quality? When these two players started in tandem, the Wallabies won. Start them for all the big matches!

Cheika needs to consider dropping back another forward to help defend in the deep like a traditional 8 would do (since Pocock will be playing to the ball).

The flyhalf order has been solidified
Despite comments from Quade Cooper and Cheika’s support of his player, the pecking order for the 10 jersey has surely been settled: first Matt Toomua, second Matt Giteau, third Bernard Foley. Giteau should start at 12 and move to 10 if there’s an injury to Toomua.

Kurtley Beale impressed me with his hard-shouldered approach to defence this weekend past. Seems the competition for spots has focussed him up somewhat. My only concern is Giteau and and Beale play a similar style of playmaker i.e. use of lateral movement to create space for outside players. With this type of play, the team requires a player to straighten the line, which is why I feel Toomua is a vital cog in the Wallabies’ best backline.

Giteau and Beale at 10 and 12 could be disastrous. Perhaps move Adam Ashley-Cooper into 12 and have Beale roam as a playmaker wing in the mould of David Campese? Not entirely sold on this idea though.

Kuridrani still MIA
I can’t remember the commentators mentioning Tevita Kuridrani in attack in either game against the All Blacks. Such a hard-running player with the ability to buckle defensive lines must be drawn into the attack more regularly.

Similarly, Israel Folau’s ability to beat defenders was under-utilised.

Blame must be shared between the players themselves not running the correct lines or getting into space to receive the ball, and the inside players not finding ways of involving these runners more.

All in all, the Wallabies are in a good space at the moment. I’m anticipating a deep run at the tournament this year.

New Zealand

First choice is the same as it’s been for the last few years
I’m not the hugest fan of Ma’a Nonu, but what he brings to the table is exactly what a backline featuring the Smiths and Dan Carter require: hard, straight running when space closes quickly and a jinking long-passing distributor when the space is there for the taking.

I imagine that this year there was no serious argument on who the best 12 for the ABs is. The only debate is who will fill the no. 14 jumper. And wings have never been a problem for the ABs. Who ever they choose will do the job.

Carter is proof that form is temporary, class is permanent
After last week’s performance there was some talk of Carter not being up to scratch. I expect that rugby fans who have been here for longer than a season or two never gave such nonsense credence.

In a clutch game, you want Carter at 10 directing proceedings. One of the hallmarks of Carter’s play is his ability to shift gears seamlessly. Take for example last week: Carter shovelled the ball on all game, except when he engineered a half break that led to a Nehe Milner-Skudder try.

He’s a master of knowing what to do and when to do it for maximum effect. If fit, Carter’s the man.

The only tactic I can think of that the All Blacks are vulnerable to is a high intensity, physical onslaught from kick-off to final buzzer. Any time the Wallabies/Boks/English have beaten the All Blacks it’s through blitzing them early on and having an ‘in your face’, suffocating defence.

Trying to rattle the All Blacks and breaking their composure is the only way to beat them – and even then, it has a 50/50 chance of success.

South Africa

The Boks are their own worst enemies
The Springboks have the cattle to be world-beaters, but are lacking mentally.

Losing two games in the final 10 minutes and getting blitzed by the Pumas at home indicates a tendency towards fatal lapses in concentration, along with a lack of mental fortitude to steel themselves to a game chase.

Jean de Villiers’ comments after the loss to the Pumas were telling in this regard where he mentioned that the team would have to work on the mental aspects of the game.

Trouble is, a champion mentality is not developed overnight, it’s cultivated over years. This World Cup may be too soon for the Boks.

Handre Pollard is a bench player for this campaign
Currently, Pat Lambie gets more from the players outside. In fact, Pollard should never have been rushed into starting for the Boks on the back of a successful under 20 World Cup and a season or two at the Bulls.

Consider how the All Blacks mentor their up-and-coming stars. Two seasons to prove themselves at franchise level, then understudy to the incumbent for a season or so, getting 20 minutes off the bench. Then the starting berth.

Getting dropped into first choice has ruined more than one Bok player (Derick Hougaard and Gaffie du Toit spring to mind). Pollard should be slowly gaining experience and developing his game instead of worrying about how he’s going to carry the team to a win.

Lambie has 49 caps to his name and (limited) experience at a previous World Cup – it’s a no-brainer he should start at 10.

Kirchner vs Willie
I personally would pick the plodding Zane Kirchner over Willie le Roux for the World Cup. Yes, Willie is a much more exciting, creative option but his conversion rate is too low for knockout rugby. Kirchner handles the core duties of a fullback solidly. Catch the high balls, clear his lines, run at defenders. I’ve seen him beat only two players with a step in his entire career, but he brings stability in a vital position.

Willie could be included on the bench to cover wing and fullback if so required. Heyneke Meyer should not stifle Willie’s creativity, but work on improving his option-taking and increasing his success ratio.

Argentina

Juan-martin Hernandez must start at 10
Compared to Nicolás Sanchez, Hernandez seems to have more time at his disposal when distributing. He’s more experienced and I rate his skill-set more highly.

I’ve seen suggestions from Argentine Roarers for a Sanchez-Hernandez 10-12 pairing. If this is to work, Hernandez must rotate into 10 every few phases to make the big plays Argentina need to punish opponents.

More of the same
Last weekend’s game against the Boks in Buenos Aires turned on a single moment early on. If Eben Etzebeth had not put in a try-saving tackle, the Pumas would have stunned the Boks to record a historic second win on the trot against their more fancied opponents.

If they can maintain the passion, skill and the verve with which they play the game, the Pumas are set for another deep run in a RWC and I look forward to them breaking northern hemisphere hearts.

The Southern Hemisphere have a pack of strong contenders (I include Samoa and Fiji here) this World Cup. I cannot wait for it to get started!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Aug 2015, 07:21
#2
19 Aug 2015, 07:21#2
Pollard & Willie are not fit for requirements according to this bloke.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2015, 07:49
#3
19 Aug 2015, 07:49#3
 JW
I do not believe everything that is written by journalists - it will be suicidal to do so.  He has not identified the real problem in SA Rugby and that is the neanderthal approach of SA coaches.
There is no way SA will get ahead in world rugby and the forthcoming WC is a lost cause insofar as SA is concerned.   I do think that most SA supporters have realized that the squad contains too many has-beens and never-has-beens of the past - with the result that we will go nowhere in this campaign and is likely to see an early exit by SA from the upcoming WC.
For the average SA supporter the more important thing is to look at the future when the has-beens and never-has-beens will not befuddle out rugby - both on Super Rugby level and in test teams.   That is more the challenge we face in SA at present than what may consider is a lost cause in the upcoming WC.
I am very optimistic about the future - especially if the teams at Super Rugby level gets competent coaches and not the neanderthals we used thus far.  I understand that Eddie Jones is going to coach the Stormers next year - but the Bulls and Sharks are still without head coaches.    
I think that New Zealand must be in the same boat to a substantial extent after the upcoming WC.   
If anything the journalists should start looking at the future after the WC.  I think the AB's has a very real chance to win the WC again even though history is against that - but what will be far more interesting reading is what is going to happen when a substantial number of the AB greats are leaving after the upcoming WC.  Looking at players like Milner-Skudder they should be really optimistic.
          
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Aug 2015, 08:09
#4
19 Aug 2015, 08:09#4
 JW are you hoping we will take this halfwit seriously? The guy has no clue at all. These guys at ROAR are half baked rugby journalist wannabees. Hahahahahaha POLLARD and Willie are essentiak to our cause. The biggest player threat to our cause is wee victor. Willie is one of the top fullbacks in world rugby and we need his creativity. Kirchiner us not in yhe same league. I suspect this rugby ignoramus must be a conniving kbb trying to confuse matters aka JWs style!!!! Beeno setting mattrrs right.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Aug 2015, 09:32
#5
19 Aug 2015, 09:32#5
 Beeno: the writers on the ROAR are a mixed bag. Some articles are really good. 
Willie will have to be on the field for the Boks in the big games as they have no one else who can add spark and spontaneity. As for world class, not based on his error rate. Boks just have to hope that his 50/50 plays come off on the day because otherwise he will hurt you. Slim pickings for the Boks so best of a mediocre bunch I guess.
On Pollard, I am glad that he is not first choice for big games at the moment. He is too green and needs to be developed properly not thrown in the deep end. He may start doing well in the pool games & this will prepare him well for if the wee Lamb gets hurt.
Boks still don't seem to have a direction/game plan or clarity on their starting selections. Too many questions to be resolved too late in the game IMO.
Meyer selections: blending the young & old

 Is that bearded chap wee Matfield?
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
19 Aug 2015, 09:47
#6
19 Aug 2015, 09:47#6
Well said JW!
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
19 Aug 2015, 13:28
#7
19 Aug 2015, 13:28#7
 Mr. Been,

"Willie is one of the top fullbacks in world rugby"

wrong, very wrong,...... a player with his error rate both in attack and defense cannot be "one of the top FB in world rugby"
B. Smith, Dagg, Barret or Slade are far better FB than him. Folau, Mike Brown, Stuart Hogg, Rob Kearney or even the new french FB from SA, Spelding, are also better than him. The fact that he's indispensable for the boks coz he's the only saffa who can create from the back don't make him world class.

What I wouldn't do is to pick Kirchner before him as the journalist says. The boks need Le Roux and Kirchner is quite uselesss.
But the article is very right IMO about Pollard. He was rushed into test rugby after the U20 WC. He had an excellent game against the AB and then he was hyped as the new wonderboy of the rugby world and the salvation for the boks when he had played just 4 starting SR games and another 4 or so test games.
Since then he has made nothing. He has the potential but he has to learn a lot yet and need to be very well managed to develop all of it which is what has not happened IMO, not in his franchise nor in the boks team.

I have doubts about Lambie being the required 10 for the boks, though he's a more experienced player, with better skills, better decision-making and distribtion, he failed big way when under pressure with the 10 bok jersey (except kicking last year against the AB and the last game against the argies)


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Aug 2015, 23:39
#8
19 Aug 2015, 23:39#8
 Beeno is clearly trumped on this one as he has no response. I guess we shouldn't point out his losing the argument as it might seem mean spirited.
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