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Ref review: Rugby rules in need of a rethink; Ben Strang

Started by Just_win4 REPLIES220 VIEWS· 30 Mar 2015, 07:13
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Mar 2015, 07:13
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30 Mar 2015, 07:13#1

S ome rules in rugby need a fresh look from the powers that be.

One of those is the contentious non-contesting of mauls from lineouts. There needs to be better clarification to prevent referees making mistakes, as was the case in the Chiefs match against the Cheetahs on Saturday.

Another is around high tackles. If a player ducks into a tackle, should the tackler be penalised for it? And how do you rule on that?

That question comes after Jerome Kaino was yellow carded for such a tackle against the Waratahs.

This week the referee review also features a contentious moment during the Cricket World Cup final.

Should Grant Elliott have been given out? Was it a no-ball?

Jerome Kaino yellow card – Blues v Waratahs – 70th minute

If you want to see the definition of a hospital pass, look no further.

Dave Dennis was tossed a looping pass and unfortunately for him, Blues captain Jerome Kaino read it all the way.

As Dennis caught the ball he tried to make a sideways movement, and ended up in an almost squatting position when Kaino made the tackle.

The result was Kaino coming in with a massive hit. Kaino's right arm wrapped around at head height, while his head clattered into Dennis' eye and cheek, leaving a nasty gash.

Soon after referee Jaco Peyper went upstairs, although at the time he saw no foul play, and eventually yellow carded Kaino based on what he saw on the big screen.

The decision from Peyper was correct based on World Rugby's rule book.

Rule 10.4 (e) – Dangerous tackling states: "A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent's neck of head in dangerous play."

There is no doubting that Kaino's tackle was high - the proof is in the cut above Dennis' eye – but Kaino is unlucky in the fact that Dennis did drop low as he tried to turn.

It seems clear that Kaino was trying to hammer Dennis around the ball and force a turnover for his team, but when Dennis dropped, the force of Kaino's tackle went to the shoulders and above, rather than the chest.

So, while fans' frustrations at the call can be understood, there is no grey area in regards to high tackles in the rule book.

Boom Prinsloo try – Cheetahs v Chiefs – 28th minute

The Cheetahs had a lineout inside the Chiefs 22m, Boom Prinsloo went up and brought the ball down, then the team went to form a driving maul.

Problem was the Chiefs went with the negative yet effective tactic of not contesting the maul.

Prinsloo passed the ball back to Heinrich Brussow as the "maul" formed, but with no Chiefs player attached that meant Brussow and the Chiefs should have been done for accidental offside.

Instead, Brussow handed the ball back to Prinsloo, who is now in an offside position, and he turned and dived over the line for a try.

Referee Craig Joubert made the wrong call by allowing play to go on and awarding the try.

The issue here is referees have been told that the tactic the Chiefs used is negative rugby, and the way they are policing the tactic is in a way to take it out of the game.

Had Prinsloo kept the ball at the front of the maul-that-wasn't, there wouldn't have been an issue, but when he passed it back to Brussow he became an offside player.

It is an area of the game that needs further clarification from officials because there have been far too many errors from referees already this year.

James Faulkner no-ball – Australia vs New Zealand – Cricket World Cup final

Here's a Cricket World Cup special.

There were several unhappy Kiwis when Grant Elliott was dismissed caught behind off the bowling of James Faulkner.

First the anger was toward keeper Brad Haddin for his antics in politely chatting to Elliott as he left the field.

Then it turned to the umpire, who apparently missed a blatant no-ball.

There's nothing to see here, folks.

Although Faulkner's foot ended up over the crease line, his heel first touched the ground inside the line before sliding over.

For a no-ball to be issued the planted foot must have never been behind the line. Sliding over the line is fine, and planting past the line if your heel is still over the line, as some spinner do, is also a legitimate ball.

Faulkner was right on the edge, but it was perfectly legal.

 - Stuff

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Mar 2015, 07:16
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30 Mar 2015, 07:16#2
 There have been some strange call lately. Refs are making it so you cannot contest for the ball if a player is in the act of trying to catch a kick. The driving maul is a mess; the ruck area is hard to police fairly, the scrums are a mess. 
Hope the start calling these things consistently or the RWC will be a mess also.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2015, 08:36
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30 Mar 2015, 08:36#3
 There are as number of individual issues here - where TV reviews showed mistakes in reffing.   Individual mistakes by referees in games is not the point and reason for law changes.    
It is where there are constant misinterpretations where the mistake is not the rules - but the problem with referees.   Even the top referees makes mistakes in interpretation - the poorer referees made a farce of the law application - now suddenly the rules must be changed.
I think the law is clear.   In the case of unopposed mauls - the ball passed to the back allows for defense to attack from the side.   Otherwise if the opposing team keeps the ball in the hands of the catcher or even the player immediately next to him - the law is clear.  There is no maul and the player with the ball is being supported by the other forwards and there is no obstruction.  Exactly what change is needed?
The same can be said about scrumming.  The props must bind legally - should be straightforward to do.  Next rule is as easy - wait for the ball to be thrown in and then applies the force - not before the ball is thrown in.  When applying force scrum straight forward - not inwards, not outwards.   This is the aspect of the game where most misinterpretations of referees occur.   It is the referees that should be trained to interpret what is happening correctly - not the laws to be adjusted to cater for them.
You cannot change rules/laws because they are not applied correctly - the critical issue is that it must be seen to be applied correctly by the referees by further training and discussions .  What on earth will be achieved by changing the rules?   Poor refereeing decisions will still occur with or without amended rules/laws.     
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
30 Mar 2015, 09:42
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30 Mar 2015, 09:42#4
 With the Prinsloo incident I don't see anything that needs clarification, Joubert just got it wrong. The ball was just straight out given forward to a player in an offside position.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2015, 10:01
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30 Mar 2015, 10:01#5
 Claydog
My point remains - you cannot change laws/rules because the referee made an error in dealing with the issue.   In the case of the Prinsloo try the referee probably did not see the passing back of the ball - same as I did not see it originally when I watched the game.   It was only on replay that it was clear that the jumper did not have the ball in hand at one stage after the jump - so I would say an understandable human error.
Refs are human and they will make mistakes  - but when mistakes becomes the norm such as in the case of for instance the scrumming in the Crusaders-Cheetahs game there is a problem - not with the laws/rules, but with the referee and his assistants.  So the problem should be solved by dealing with the referee and I am sure it is in fact done.    Quite easily too - I believe that each scrum would be reviewed together with the referee and his assistants and interpretations/misinterpretations discussed.   That is the way the issue needs to be dealt with - any other way is wrong.    If the referee continues in his merry ways without applying the rules correctly - he should be removed from the panel.
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