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Reinach.....enough already

Started by Mozart23 REPLIES624 VIEWS· 25 Jul 2015, 20:07
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jul 2015, 20:07
#1
25 Jul 2015, 20:07#1

Crucial mistakes to put the seal on defeat. Get him gone.

 

Lambie likewise, his brilliant open field tackle aside was his usual dithering self....his failure to support Hendricks after he took the high ball led directly to Smith's try. A decent sub for Willie.

 

Pollard and Pienaar were very good today, Pienaar having one of his best Bok outings.

 

 

Our centres are Hyde on attack and Jeckyl on defence....we desperately need to give these lads some help. Kriel's inability to read the cut for example. All that time the Bools wasted with JJ at 13 all S15. 

 

Habana was very busy, Hendricks seems to be more physical in the tackle.

 

In the scrum Jannie has turned up trumps along with the whole front row. The locks were all good with Lomp putting in a huge effort.....he was perhaps the best forward on the park. All the starting loosies played well....but we lost so much when Louw went off for Whiteley who is no test player. I'm not sure Brussouw really proved his case but he was good. And Schalk was imperious barring one lineout he couldn't quite reach. 

 

The forward subs added nothing to the effort and frankly Koch, and especially Whiteley and Strauss were very disappointing.

 

 

In aggregate the team lost intensity in the last 20 minutes and through the yellow which cost us the test. I personally think the uncontested scrum decision had a lot to do with that....with Nyakane available and our scrum against 7 men on their try line, to not contest is perhaps the most cowardly decision I have ever seen in sports. Shame on HM for allowing that travesty.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,282 posts
25 Jul 2015, 20:19
#2
25 Jul 2015, 20:19#2
Reinach is another Hougaard, good in open space but not at the base of a competitive ruck.
His one metre forward pop pass was clueless. 
Faff needs to be on the bench to get a run. We need a classic small scrum half that is quick at the base of the ruck. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jul 2015, 20:33
#3
25 Jul 2015, 20:33#3
 Mozart
Lets take the normal drivel by one of our Village idiots:-
"In aggregate the team lost intensity in the last 20 minutes and through the yellow which cost us the test. I personally think the uncontested scrum decision had a lot to do with that....with Nyakane available and our scrum against 7 men on their try line, to not contest is perhaps the most cowardly decision I have ever seen in sports. Shame on HM for allowing that travesty."
The fact is that the referee was given a message that Nyakane can scrum on both sides of the scrum and the referee ignored the message and ordered uncontested scrums - so that is as far as it went.  Burger should have strongly objected but he did not do so.
"Our centres are Hyde on attack and Jeckyl on defence....we desperately need to give these lads some help. Kriel's inability to read the cut for example. All that time the Bools wasted with JJ at 13 all S15."
This after you went so far as to call De Allende a turnstile for Nonu to run through.  The defense of the NZ centers were statistically worse than the SA centers - but that would never be taken into account by you.  Fact is De Allende outplayed Nonu comprehensively and Kriel did the same to Smith.  Problem is that both if the two players needed to up their tackles - but to call them Jekyll and Hyde is a slap in their faces which they certainly do not deserve.   What Naas said in the post match discussions are far more accurate.  He said the players selected for the Springbok team today - should have been selected two years ago and they would even be better than they already are with the experience they would have gained during that period.
Now s to his praise-song about Jannie - I saw static scrums and one strong one in the whole match.  In the other scrums Beast was firm and Jannie going slightly back in most of the scrums.  Where the praise songs came from only Mozart would know.  
His faint praise of De Jager would vanish like mist as soon as he threatens Matfield's position at lock.  Then he would find a mystical deficiency to get at De jager - the same way he did last week. However, after the last two matches Meyer would make an utter fool of himself if he brings back into the team the seriously physical-deficient Matfield.   The Tight 5 is not yet what it should be - Jannie is barely average so an upgrade may be the better option.            
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Jul 2015, 20:35
#4
25 Jul 2015, 20:35#4
 What a joke.....blame Reinach bwhaaahaaaaa 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jul 2015, 20:35
#5
25 Jul 2015, 20:35#5
 Yes, we have to get some facts on what happened with the decision to go for uncontested scrums. Did Burger call it, did Meyer call it or did the ref. If the ref called it then it should have been challenged by Burger. I never thought I would see the day when the boks use uncontested scrums when they have 8 forwards on the field.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Jul 2015, 20:40
#6
25 Jul 2015, 20:40#6
 No Bob Skinstad confirmed the call was made by the Boks 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Jul 2015, 20:59
#7
25 Jul 2015, 20:59#7
 Mallet was of the opinion the Ref called and that he was unaware that Nyankane could scrum both sides because bok managment didnt communicate this. Burger though should have stepped in.If anyone here truly thinks that the Bok 8 were scared to scrum against a wee ab 7 they are plain dumb. Not even the kbbs have come up with that!
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:06
#8
25 Jul 2015, 21:06#8
 I take most of what Bob Skinstad says with a pinch of salt. He started his BS early in the game when he said that the ref made a mistake with the second penalty to the ABs. One of the Boks did go over the ruck and off his feet.

Ou Dawie,of course would have nothing of it because what ou Stinkstert fits in with his opinion.

What are the chances that Dawie would admit that ou Bob, and him, got it wrong?

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/150725/McCaw_breaks_Bok_hearts

"With less than 20 minutes to go, and a man up through a yellow card for a professional foul to Sam Whitelock and a dominant scrum, referee Jerome Garces took the advantage away from the Springboks with a bizarre call for uncontested scrums at a crucial time.

The Boks had both their tightheads injured, with Jannie du Plessis taken off at halftime with a knock to his knee and Vincent Koch off for blood, but Garces made the call that replacement Trevor Nyakane couldn’t scrum as he was listed as a loosehead and not a tighthead.

Nayakane has been a tighthead replacement before for the Boks and spent a large portion of the Vodacom Super Rugby tournament at No 3, but uncontested scrums were called even though there were four props on the field.

It dealt a blow to the Bok dominance at a crucial time where they had just received a penalty at the scrum and were a man up in the set-piece.

And for the All Blacks it had the opposite effect, it buoyed them and lifted them as their substitutes came on, as they came storming back to dominate the last 20 minutes as their bench took control of the game."




BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:06
#9
25 Jul 2015, 21:06#9

Not sure that the call for an uncontested scrum came from the Boks because Schalk looked very surprised when the ref made the call.

I suspect that the ref made the call based on what was written on the team sheet. I believe only Jannie and Koch's name appeared under tighthead and since none was able to scrum, he called for an uncontested scrum. ( Not sure why Jannie could not return).

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:15
#10
25 Jul 2015, 21:15#10
 Scalk should have stepped in and explained matters. It was a mistake. B ut to call it cowardly!!! 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:19
#11
25 Jul 2015, 21:19#11
 Who zFcked up the margins?  I  can see only a third of the posts! 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:24
#12
25 Jul 2015, 21:24#12
 Burger should have told the ref it was a typo, it worked for the ABs
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:25
#13
25 Jul 2015, 21:25#13
 Margins are fine Draad  - you are getting squint!
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:39
#14
25 Jul 2015, 21:39#14

 Who zFcked up the margins?  I  can see only a third of the posts! 


Vlag - is jy die stoute kabouter?

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:45
#15
25 Jul 2015, 21:45#15
nothing wrong with reinach, made a mistake or two but was hardly the reason for loss.
had he been starting instead of overrated and underwhelming pienaar, he would have made better use of the advantage the Boks had garnered.

2nd half was where All Blacks ground out another win thnx to their fitness where they maintained the tempo, while the Boks fell off and lost the scrum advantage due to the uncontested rule.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:45
#16
25 Jul 2015, 21:45#16
 Beenz,  it depends on the browser and device used.  On my phone,  I can only view the left halve of the page.  And yes Blik,  it seems that Vlag's post did the damage,  as it was fine earlier on. No harm done though. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jul 2015, 21:46
#17
25 Jul 2015, 21:46#17
The Bok centres made 69 per cent of their tackles. That contributed to our loss. As I said the attacking play is aggressive....but the defence is uncertain and poorly executed. Fact.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Jul 2015, 01:16
#18
26 Jul 2015, 01:16#18
Um what utter crap Moz.....the Bok centres missed 6 tackles, the AB centres missed 5
The Bok centres made 14 tackles the AB centres only made 9......so statistically the Bok centres were better defensively.
Same can be said of the backlines as a whole.....the AB backs missed 15 tackles in total, the Bok backs missed 12.
Agreed Reinach was not to blame.....to judge him on the 5 min he was on the field is laughable. Especially considering he has not played any rugby in months.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jul 2015, 02:46
#19
26 Jul 2015, 02:46#19

There is no structure to our defence, no organization, on the heels defence vs push defence. If our defence was sound we would have won both tests.
Fans want to ignore that because they like the attacking potential.  The defence needs work.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2015, 10:36
#20
26 Jul 2015, 10:36#20
 Mozart
That is nothing new.  All agreed that the center defense need to improve - but to carry on about that like you do is absolute crap.  You missed out that there was a massive improvement in that respect iro De Allende yesterday - so they are on the right path.  There was a deterioration in the defense of Kriel yesterday - but it was only his second test and it will improve as well.  
This is the type of thing that makes your rugby comments on this site a seriously embarrassing joke and if you start being objective and make positive suggestions - jeremediates does not help in any way - it would be issues that can be taken seriously.  You are still trolling about the fact that you want the Steyn's in the team which makes your comments more laughable.    
     
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
26 Jul 2015, 12:52
#21
26 Jul 2015, 12:52#21
 Actually, the poor defence of 12 left 13 exposed. Like I said before 10-12-13 form an axis, and if 12 is not positionally sound, it leaves 13 exposed and isolated which I predicted before the game. 

As Mozart correctly stated, the bench is weak. Reinach and Lambie have done nothing in any of their tests. You want to talk of match losers? You have two culprits right there.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
26 Jul 2015, 13:10
#22
26 Jul 2015, 13:10#22
 NZ were dominating Boks in the scrum anyway. So I don't get this Wee NZ, or implication NZ is weak in scrumagging. Boks needed one less player tbg, to compete. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jul 2015, 13:13
#23
26 Jul 2015, 13:13#23

Watch the incident where Hendricks get's turned to set up the AB try. He makes a very good take, but the gets set upon by two AB chasers. Instead of going in straight way to help secure the ball Lambie hovers, then fully commits just as the ABs get the ball. .....leaving a huge gap in our defence that Sopoaga runs through.

 

An error compounding another error. Timidity punished.

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
26 Jul 2015, 13:15
#24
26 Jul 2015, 13:15#24
 Lambie is a tragedy.
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