Rugby Championship 2013 - Barrett Try (Ellis Park)

Wrong Sun, JJ was no better placed to stop Barrett than Morne was.......both made contact with Barrett.

As for JJ vs Taute in the speed stakes........you must be joking.......JJ is one of the fastest players in SA......that is his strength, he has the pace of a wing and great feet.

As for his hands.......I cannot begin to understand how you can conclude that his hands are anything but good.

His beating of Savea was classic.......something no other 13's in SA could have pulled off......it was all about pace.........its JJ's pace and feet that add a whole new dimension to outside centre play.

I rate Taute as a 13, but JJ is much better  

His pace off the mark is quicker than most........he is explosive.......certainly quicker than Taute

You are wrong regarding his distribution.......look no futher than his brilliant pass to Willie off the wrong hand after beating Savea......it was brilliant.

His hands for a 13 are more than good enough.........you need classic hands at 10 and 12.......not 13.......his hands are fine  

I think it's fair to say HM wasn't convinced.

 Mozsty

We need a good 14 desperately and Fourie is not the answer - De Jongh mott even a consideration - and the hope is that Engelbrecht -

 *   improve his tackling technique; 

 *   avoid running straight at defenders thus getting tackled easily; and

 *   improve his reading of the game and passing.   

The first two can be corrected by coaching - the third one is not easy to correct.    

Mozart

If there is a  robot in the Springbok team - look no further than Morne Steyn,   Never make decisions based on real situations on the ground - play according to instructions - do not know when to kick or when to pass,  Just refer to Messam's seco nd try at Ellis Park as an example,     

Fury for all his faults is a thinking player....likewise Jean. Can you ever imagine JJ tapping the ball past the tackler as Jean did for Habana's try in 2012. Nope never in a hundred years....he doesn't react quickly enough. Robot means a process player, one without vision....JJ in short.

As for Jean not having pace, an argument you have been selling for years...that's also dead wrong. His pace is obvious on the field of play...and when the Stormers did their 40 metre sprints last year he was the second fastest stormer, just a tick behind Habana.

Mozart

There is something I agree with as to what you call "process player" and I stated   something similar when I wrote about Engelbrecht having to improve his reading of the game - very difficult to do.

However, this problem is normally made worse if there are more "process players" in the backline of a team and that has unfortunately been the case in the Springbok team over the past  few years.  The nearer these players are to the forwards - the worst it becomes for proper backline functioning.

The top of the list of process players must inevitably be Morne Steyn.  In 2012 the second player in the backline in that category was Francois Steyn and the third one was Kirchner,   That was a certain recipe for dead backline syndrome - a sign of lack of thinking backline play.

You have always been very selective in application of the term to players.   You mentioned it in respect of some players - but not to others.   You for instance never applied the term to Morne Steyn,   You applied the term to Marcel Coetzee and Labuschagne to discredit their high work rate - while never applying it to Willem Alberts - the real dead head player amongst the loosies - who has a very low work rate to boot.

I agree about Engelbrecht - but be fair and give the full list when discussing the term and its implications for team performance.   

Mozart

Two responses - but what about Morne - the main problem case - Francois Steyn and Alberts?  Why the silence about those three?

Your assessment on Labuschagne is based on nothing - just prejudice,  You condemned him before you even saw him playing in  a match - ie during the Cheetahs away games last year - so let that one be.

Has Alberts showed anything that makes him a thinking player with stamina?  He has to be replaced early because despite a very low work rate - he runs out of steam early.  

Comments on Morne, Francois Steyn  and Alberts will be appreciated.    

 Saffex

I am waiting for Mozart response here - it would be interesting to see - but he is cornered here and that normally result in absolute silence or a move to circumvent the issue.   

Sun Tzu

The question is not redundant.   It is factual.   Mozart is too involved in his own dreams to give an honest answer.  He knows - like everyone else who is not rugby ignorant - that Morne Steyn, Francois Steyn and Alberts are NOT thinking players - but robotic,  They t ry the same thing over and over and play according to instructions - without summing up the situation quickly and acting accordingly.

The issue is and has been clear to rugby lovers all over the world - also at Stade Francais - that Morne Steyn is the slowest thinking flyhalf in top class rugby and if the other two ever think - it would be a miracle.  

Sun Yzu

Clouf 9 stuff again - no answer forthcoming,  Almost as dense as Morne Steyn and the others mentioned are on the Rugby Field.    

Sun Tzy

Keep on being delusional - I obviously cannot help you. 

 Sun Tzu

Nobody is ever exposed by a load of garbage dressed up as facts.   Your "facts" are no facts at all - because you try and warp them to fit your purpose - namely a praise singing exercise about the at times poor Morne Steyn - who has let us down badly in crucial tests.

You cannot identify his weaknesses because you absolutely refuse to look at his performances objectively - and you ascribe qualities to him that he has never shown.   Morne is not and never will be an all round acceptable flyhalf - he is robotic and very one-dimensional - with one positive attribute - namely his kicking at goal.

That is what bothers his Club as well - they thought they were getting a better product when they signed that contract with them.  The problem is their agent has listened to the hype and like you and others ignored the performances and now Stade Francais has a flyhalf at high cost that they perforce have to use as a bench player.

Is a Club bench player good enough to be an international flyhalf?  That is the key question and only the really ignorant will answer yes to that question.

Sun Tzu

 The video's are doing the talking - but there is a huge difference in interpretation between what you wrote and what actually happened.  That is the key issue - comprehende?   

 Dof Dose

Did Morne attempt a tackle on Morne?  Yes or no

Did Morne missed the tackle?  Yes or no

Did Morne use the wrong tackle technique> Yes or no

Was he blameless in Barrett scoring that try? Yes or no

Just stick to facts and not try and explain through v erbal diarrhea the inexplicable 

 Dof Dose

Did Morne attempt a tackle on Morne?  Yes or no

Did Morne missed the tackle?  Yes or no

Did Morne use the wrong tackle technique> Yes or no

Was he blameless in Barrett scoring that try? Yes or no

Just stick to facts and not try and explain through verbal diarrhea the inexplicable 

Dof doos

Really - the lack of answers to simple questions indicate how really idiotic you are.