They have 10 players from South Africa and want more.
Harlequins almost became a Southern Hemisphere team only, so maybe Sale are on the same course.
https://www.news24.com/sport/Rugby/cobus-wiese-becomes-10th-south-african-on-sale-sharks-books-20200908
It’s ridiculous.
Becs...we are willfully being driven from our land...this isn't the normal migration of players...it's fleeing disaster...
PS, good to see you around...kinda like th e Saints too...keep well.
Dread, I totally understand the issue of forced migration but you can understand our frustration over here too, I’m sure.
And thank you. Please stay safe.
Saffex, you know we disagree on this topic so I’ll say no more !!
Draad, sorry, my iPad changed your name when I posted !
I disagree.
All it does is weaken the National team and that’s what the Clubs are there for; to bring on new talent.
Simple as that.
It’s done nothing but devalue the National team and inflate wages to ridiculous levels.
Nothing good has come from it.
Saffex I agree with you.
I fully understand why players leave to come here and I agree they should be capped like they were supposed to be !
SB there were 8 players in the English WC final team not \borne in the UK. that mans more than 28% - so in a way becs is right about the issue.
No CleverWanker, if England never had those foreign players- they might not have even made the world cup final.
The standard of football in England is much better with foreign players, as is the case with rugby. Foreigners also get blamed for England being a poor football team, but the problem is English football forwards lack pace and cant dribble the ball- so they struggle to beat 1 on 1 tackle's
"...so in a way becs is right about the issue. "
"No CleverWanker, if England never had those foreign players- they might not have even made the world cup final. "
So you don't actually know for sure, but still jump at the chance to be rude...
BTW, I agree with your assessment of the situation in this case, just don't like the way you voice your opinion.
SB
You misinterpreted totally what I wrote as per normal. I do not care if the English and French clubs import players by the dozen and it clearly strengthen their club sides and Club Rugby in the NH. However, it is only logical that those foreign players brought in will ultimately compete with the locals for test selection if they are indeed better than the local competitors.
That is the point that Becs is making and I agree with her. England did very well in the 2012 Olympic games - but a relatively high percentage of their winners came from other countries, The same with their soccer situation. The real problem is it weakened the national team and they are nearly never anywhere in the final stages of the SWC - the same applies to international competitions on both national and Club level in Europe.
Local sport, whatever the type, is there to feed the National Squads.
The football system has already proven it is not fit for purpose in that respect. Rugby has been foolish going down the same route.
Looking at it from the bottom up, there's an advantage to having foreign players, that's being overlooked.
Lower level club rugby and cricket is where most English kids learn their game. And many of those teams make up numbers with foreigner such as myself that wanted a social game on the weekend.
We'd often have 2-5 youngsters in the side. Their schools didn't offer cricket and without lower leagues for them to learn the game in, they'd probably pack it in.
As they got older and better they'd leave us behind for higher teams at the club and if good enough they'd be invited to lower county sides.
I played at three different clubs and they all had about 6 teams...Which would have been 3 or perhaps 4 if there weren't a foreign contingent. IE stiffer competition for spots and less involvement.
On a more sentimental note, I was always impressed by the folks that ran the clubs and how everybody would pitch in. On numerous occasions i came across youngsters that weren't supported by their parents but as long as they turned up, there'd always be a lift to the game, sandwiches at tea time and lots of old hands to coach.
Why is it that you all think foreign players are automatically better than locals ? I can certainly attest to the reality that they aren’t.
They take positions that locals should have and ruin careers. It’s that simple.
And if foreign players are so useful, maybe SA should take more in themselves !!
I agree with you here - any suggestion to be against it has no real merit and ultimately in practice weakens the national team.
So South African Sharks Sale have won the English Rugby Premiership. A great achievement for South Africa.
In addition to winning the World Cup, and ranking number 1 in the rankings- South Africa has won a national tournament, in another country...Many of the players were not even in the Springbok squad.
No, Shark, they have won the Premiership Cup, not the League.
They are also not South African, they are English, no matter how you want to spin it.
There are far too many SA players in that Squad, which is why it keeps being mentioned, but the Club remains English as do it’s Coaches.
No, it really isn’t.
I wonder how chuffed you’d be if Exeter popped over to SA and joined in with your League. Not so much is my guess.
Shark, they aren’t the strongest team in the Premiership, Exeter are !!
They might not even figure in the top four of the table. This would mean they won’t qualify for the Play Offs ergo they wouldn’t win the League and couldn’t possibly be classed as the strongest team in the Premiership.
Becs,
SharkTit is trolling you.
Say the word and I'll put him in a headlock. Then we can group wedgie him
SB
Years ago Rupert took a 50% share in Saracens and he Club showed major improvement as a result of more money for players being made available - among them also players from SA.. He sold his share holing about two years ago and then together with his partner took over the Bulls with a shareholding of 74,5%.
The English clubs need foreign players to make them competitive in the Premiership, but I still maintain it is not anything favoring the England team.
Anyway Saracens was followed by Gloucester and now it is Sale in the same boat.
SB
Years ago Rupert took a 50% share in Saracens and he Club showed major improvement as a result of more money for players being made available - among them also players from SA.. He sold his share holing about two years ago and then together with his partner took over the Bulls with a shareholding of 74,5%.
The English clubs need foreign players to make them competitive in the Premiership, but I still maintain it is not anything favoring the England team.
Anyway Saracens was followed by Gloucester and now it is Sale in the same boat.
SB
Years ago Rupert took a 50% share in Saracens and he Club showed major improvement as a result of more money for players being made available - among them also players from SA.. He sold his share holing about two years ago and then together with his partner took over the Bulls with a shareholding of 74,5%.
The English clubs need foreign players to make them competitive in the Premiership, but I still maintain it is not anything favoring the England team.
Anyway Saracens was followed by Gloucester and now it is Sale in the same boat.
Plum,
I know he is but feel free to exact some revenge on him for me ??
As the lady wishes ;)
Thank you kind Sir ??
Oh Plum, I put a Smiley on that post and it ended up as question marks !!
I’ll try again ??
Oh blow it !
Haha Becs,
I've narrowed down the revenge options...
1) a bogwash, live streamed on facebooK.
2) writing "knob" on his chest with sunscreen.
3) or we could go for the classic, locking him and inside a cupboard in the prefect's room for the day.
Plum.....I’m tempted by all of the above.
Let’s go for option 3. Keep him quiet for a day
@Bum Plum you will be no match for my power. At least your toilet will get a good cleaning.
Your flower power?
