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Savea pulls out of Sevens; Planet Rugby

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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
27 Apr 2016, 14:15
#41
27 Apr 2016, 14:15#41
 A savea completely outplayed cane in the we for the record. But heres my ab team
15. McKenzie 14. B Smith 13. Fekitoa 12. Crotty 11. Savea 10. Barrett 9. A smith.8. Read (c) 7. Cane 6. Kaino 5. Whitlock 4. REtalluck 3. O franks 2. Coles 1. Crockett
16. Moody 17. Faumaina 18. Taylor 19. Romano 20. A Savea 21. Peranara 22. Cruden.23. Ngtai
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
27 Apr 2016, 14:41
#42
27 Apr 2016, 14:41#42
 it's a luxury for the AB coaching staff to have 3 of the 5 bests openside of the world to choose from,...... with Savea, Todd and Cane, would be up there Poc0ck and J. Kriel (if he gets last year's form),......

but it's sad that, at least, one of the kiwi trio will miss it,........ and all the signs point to Todd who is an excellent player and always works hard,...... he deserves being called,..... but as I often said, IMO Savea is the nº1,...... and Cane has been the back-up for many years,.....

the blindside spot could also be quite open,....... Hansen & co could opt for the conservative way (IMO the most probable one)and have Kaino covering it,...... but considering he won't make the next WC they could opt for giving oportunities to the young guys,....... and here, with the absence of A. Ioane coz Rio's sevens, come some players being outstanding this season like Taufua and Dixon or some youngers who are not having too much gametime like Taleni Seu or Vaea Fifita (had and outstanding ITM and should be given more gametime),.....

I would choose Taufua,..... and considering he can cover all the 3 backrow positions he could be a surprise call for the bench

Other backrower who's being outstanding IMO is nº8 Liam Squire,....... one of the strongest ball carriers,..... plenty to choose from!


@naruto,
"not sure why umaga has benched akira in 2016 for the blues, obviously hes not taking over kaino"

I can understand that Umaga prefered kaino over him,...... but Joe Edwards?
while kaino was out he started 1-2 matches ahead of Ioane,...... and with the injuries to the locks he could have played Luatua, as you said, or the same Ioane there,...... Ioane can perfectly play as lock and there's no possible comparison with players like Mantenga who's been starting
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Apr 2016, 15:48
#43
27 Apr 2016, 15:48#43

...did I mention the winning record against France, Argentina, Scotland, Ireland and Japan - unlike hapless SA, who have lost to all these teams...

 ...and that they also beat the British and Irish Lions last time they toured...



Brycy, how did I miss your undefeated record against France?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Apr 2016, 15:50
#44
27 Apr 2016, 15:50#44
 And last I checked, the Boks also beat the Lions last time they were over here.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
27 Apr 2016, 21:41
#45
27 Apr 2016, 21:41#45
 ...DbDraught you dopey yarpy..., the Maori All Blacks have an undefeated record against France...
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
27 Apr 2016, 21:58
#46
27 Apr 2016, 21:58#46
@brycy,

"..Sas ..as our friend Rooinek will tell you, we have enough loose forwards for several AB teams..."
very true and id say that both SA and oz have enough loosies for a couple of teams too.

"and in that respect Matt Todd hasn't been too shabby for the Crusties aniether...being from Hansens hometown might even put him further up the pecking order than Savea...?"
todd has always been solid, never lets his team down

ive heard u mention in the past about hansens hometown biasd cantab ways, but i disagree, im sure dagg would agree with me too.

as good as todd is, i dont think hansen rates todd higher then ardie.
as dr win mentioned ardie was invited to tour with the All Blacks on their EOYT, not as a player, but as someone who has the potential to one day don the black jersey. cant think of too many people who ever got that kind of a tip of the hat.

"...am a big Ardie Savea fan myself ,have him in my fantasy team and even if Cane outplayed him on the weekend I'm with you about using Cane off the bench for the ABs ..."
cane out played ardie on the weekend??? o_O
im impressed to see u channeling ur inner beeno, but i strongly disagree. it might help if u watch the game without those chief tinted glasses, LMAO,
of course as a hurricanes supporter, i could be accused of wearing hurricane tinted glasses, so maybe basque fan as an impartial sader representative could settle this argument,
but lets look at some numbers from the game between the two...

Pos   T/A Pts K/P/R MR CB DB OL TO Tack LO Pen Y/R F Savea 0/0 0 0/3/6 66
2
4
0 1
8/1 0/0 1
0/0 F Cane 0/0 0 0/1/9 21 0 1 0 0 19/1 0/0 3 0/0
s cane
the numbers tell us that canes defensive efforts were herculen with 19 tackles from 20 tackle attempts, but giving away three penalties, hmmmmmmm a bit costly IMO.
canes attacking numbers are very impressive......... if he was a saffa, , but as a kiwi, he gets a well deserved two thumbs down.

a savea
ardies def game was good, 8 tackles from 9 attempts, it pales compared to what cane pulled, but only giving away 1 penalty indicates an efficent defensive display.

but looking at the attacking numbers, dammmmmmmn ardie, back at it again with awesome attacking numbers.
2 clean breaks, 4 defenders beaten, avg 11 meters per run.
NZ rugbys DNA is all about exciting attacking rugby, and this is where ardie excels with out compromising the rest of his openside duties.

im also pretty sure that ardie outpilfered cane but will need to double check..

 

"...but Savea is still on the fringes of AB selection and will need to play consistently well for the rest of the season to be considered...consistency being the operative word...."

consistency hasnt been a problem for ardie, has played the bulk of games since day as he always does. like all players though, he has the odd wtf game, but he wasnt invited to tour with the All Blacks cos of that cheap kid n play fro, lolz,


"..looking forward to seeing how he goes against the Lions this weekend being tested by Kriel, Whitely and co...love the way he's always trying to get one up on his brother which is great motivation for him to play well.."

im looking forward this match big time.
lions are the strongest team in the SA conferences, and in no small part thnx to an inform powerful looseforward trio of kriel, tackleburger extra sauce and captain fantastic whittley.

lions physicality will be a nice test for ardie who will be looking to one up kriel, like he did to cane last week,
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
27 Apr 2016, 22:02
#47
27 Apr 2016, 22:02#47
@basque fan,

"I can understand that Umaga prefered kaino over him,...... but Joe Edwards?
while kaino was out he started 1-2 matches ahead of Ioane,...... and with the injuries to the locks he could have played Luatua, as you said, or the same Ioane there,...... Ioane can perfectly play as lock and there's no possible comparison with players like Mantenga who's been starting"

very good point....i wonder if akira offended umaga by eating his cornbeef and taro??? those are acts of war in the samoan community,
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
27 Apr 2016, 23:32
#48
27 Apr 2016, 23:32#48

 ..Sas, I know it's pretty subjective about who tipped the balance in favour of the Chiefs pulling off that mighty win last weekend...not sure if it was Sam Cane or Seta Tamanivalu...then again, maybe if Cruden was playing for the Canes they would have crushed the Chiefs...haha


...not arguing about how good Savea is though but it's Hansen that is the gatekeeper for the ABs...and I don't think he's as dopey as he used to be...

..in Ardie's support I have also provided superior stats to support your argument so I agree that his stats are better than Cane's in many departments...


...unfair to Ardie I know that some have been hypercritical of how inconsistent his brother has been but just human nature to paint his brother with the same brush...and remember we're only halfway through the comp so injuries could also factor in to contenders for openside given they are at the coalface of all the action...worst case scenario no disputing there is plenty of depth...


...playing away games in SA will be the litmus test for Ardie Savea - his immediate AB future may even ride on him having a barnstorming tour given the competition for the seven jersey....Canes need to go two from two as Hansen will more likely be picking players from the teams nearer the top of the table - being a fairly reliable indicator of the form of the players...

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
27 Apr 2016, 23:43
#49
27 Apr 2016, 23:43#49

 ...re Akira Iaone maybe Umaga sees Iaone more as a Sevens player i.e not someone who plays for eighty... and perhaps Tietjens told Umaga to go easy we need him in Rio..


...and didn't the Blues win their first game using him and Moala off the bench as impact players..so maybe given that proved a successful formula initially Umaga continued with it...


...no different to Blackadder starting Havili with Crotty on the bench..

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WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Apr 2016, 01:40
#50
28 Apr 2016, 01:40#50
I reckon Sas loves Akiras mighty anime name too ,which is fair enough  !
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
12 May 2016, 02:23
#51
12 May 2016, 02:23#51

 ...can't help but think Ardie may have sh!t in his nest here re his immediate AB selection chances after breaking team protocol and getting axed by the Canes's coach...we all know what happened to Cruden last year - Hansen does not take kindly to this type of behaviour..


...probably won't stop him being included in the EOYT though...

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 May 2016, 06:40
#52
12 May 2016, 06:40#52
@brycy.

i was pi55sed off when i read the names of the 5 players and i wouldnt have any problems if ardie was stood down from the june test series as a result of the indiscretion.

but to compare what the 5 hurricane players did with what cruden did in 2014 (im assuming thats what ur talking about) is just insane.
cruden missed a flight out with the All Blacks from NZ to argentina, the 5 hurricane players were 18 minutes late past their curfew, both are infractions, but clearly on different scales.

i got no problem with them being punished, but IMO hansen will see the matter done and dusted as boyd has handled the situation perfectly.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 May 2016, 06:45
#53
12 May 2016, 06:45#53
 I didn't realise it was 18 minutes late, I agree Hansen may consider they matter dealt with. Cory Jane should know better as the senior player.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
12 May 2016, 07:18
#54
12 May 2016, 07:18#54

 ...Sas might be just the excuse Hansen needed to overlook Savea and pick one of his Canterbury sons Todd or Taufua...big shame for Ardie as he's already forsaken a medal at Rio to play Super rugby instead...


...and it's not as if the Canes can afford to throw a game by fielding a severely weakened team...lose against the Reds this weekend and the Canes season is virtually done and dusted....and those five players would have to take some responsibility for that wouldn't they?..



MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 May 2016, 07:47
#55
12 May 2016, 07:47#55
@brycy,

"...Sas might just be the excuse Hansen needed to overlook Savea and pick one of his Canterbury sons Todd or Taufua...big shame for Ardie as he's already forsaken a medal at Rio to play Super rugby instead..."


i would be very surprised if hansen dosent think the matter has been put to bed, but i wouldnt have one iota of a problem if ardie is overlooked as a result. u reap what u sow, and 18 minutes too late is 19 minutes too much in my books.


but even if ardie is selected for the ABs squad, hansen should still pick tafua, hes too good to not start investing time into. he dosent have to play huge minutes, but appearances from the bench here and there will leave us in a great position come the RWC.


and if ardies dropped, hansen would have no choice but to include todd in the squad, amd the beauty is we lose nothing cos todd is class.

the depth we have with our looseforwards means that hansen can afford to make an examole of ardie, so either way its a win win.


i see ur subscription to hansens one eyed cantab ways has been renewed,


"...and it's not as if the Canes can afford to throw a game by fielding a severely weakened team...lose against the Reds this weekend and the Canes season is virtually done and dusted....and those five players would have to take some responsibility for that wouldn't they?.."

not sure where ur getting this from.

in the austrlasian conference if the 5th placed hurricanes lose this weekend with no BP to the reds, and the 6th placed waratahs win with a bonus point vs the rebels, the hurricanes will still be sitting in 5th place.
if the 4th placed highlanders beat the saders with a bonus point and the canes lose with no BP, then the landers will only be ahead of them by 6pts.
considering theres 4 games left to play after this round, the hurricanes season is far from done and dusted regardless of the outcome this weekend.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
12 May 2016, 08:06
#56
12 May 2016, 08:06#56

 ...Sas perish the thought the Canes lose this weekend but for arguments sake say Nabuli has a blinder and Aussies U20's centre Campbell Magnay cuts it up in the centres at the Canes expense - end result Canes go down...compounding their points problem will be a bye the next round and then facing the Landers the following week....that could be three losses in a row worst case scenario...but very hard to recover from..


...in that eventuality Canes fans would be forgiven for thinking of what could have been...and how much this current distraction contributed to their demise...


MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 May 2016, 10:45
#57
12 May 2016, 10:45#57
@brycy,

when u look at the hurricanes line up, it does start to look a little scary lolz,

if they cant beat the reds though, even with that depleted line up, then they deserve to not play in the finals.

they already let one easy win slip through their fingers last week, now the whole team needs to come together and show that were more than those 4, extremely influential important players, lolz,
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
12 May 2016, 11:03
#58
12 May 2016, 11:03#58

 ...can't help but think that the whole thing could have been handled better by the coach...just a quiet word in their ear perhaps as they were only 15 mins late for gawdsake....just so over the top...

...could there be some animosity developing between the coach and the players affecting their performance I wonder because the Canes should really have raped the Sharks...especially after thrashing the Lions which is arguably a better side than the Sharks... Canes certainly can't afford to throw anymore games so hope they pick themselves up....

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 May 2016, 11:36
#59
12 May 2016, 11:36#59
@brycy,

"...can't help but think that the whole thing could have been handled better by the coach...just a quiet word in their ear perhaps as they were only 15 mins late for gawdsake....just so over the top..."

nothing wrong with setting standards super high, hopefully in the future when they come to a crossroad with any decision they make, they will remember what happened when they were only 18 minutes late and be deterred from something more potentially severe.

"...could there be some animosity developing between the coach and the players affecting their performance I wonder because the Canes should really have raped the Sharks...especially after thrashing the Lions which is arguably a better side than the Sharks..."

pls brycy, dont try to stir something that aint there, lolz,

after the whole mark the jacka55 hammet debacle, i am very very pleased with everything that boyd has done and is doing, this incident included.

obviously we should have beaten the sharks, but there have been bigger upsets this year alone, chiefs v lions, sharks v highlanders, blues v highlanders.
every year there are upsets which most teams dont back on, and the canes sharkies was just another for that list.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
12 May 2016, 12:02
#60
12 May 2016, 12:02#60
 before knowing that the curfew break was a 18 minutes late arrival I thought that that was a very stupid way of conducting a missbehaviour by the Hurricanes,....... now I think it's one of the most stupid things I've ever seen,....

to begin with in their first statements the Hurricanes said that "the players had made a poor decision and the matter had been dealt with internally",........... please, someone to tell the Hurricanes management that when you make an issue public (as it's been this case) then it's no more an internal issue,........ public and internal are antonims

to continue with, even in the case that the players through their conduct made a damage to the team (which now we know is not the case) it's plain stupid to punish the franchise (or the team) and the supporters,....... dropping 5 key players for an important match (from now on, all are importants) is damaging the franchise and the supporters (if I were a canes' fan and had bought a ticket I would demand a refund of it, no doubt),...... there are other ways of punishing the players without punishing the franchise and the supporters,...... e.g. to fine them heavily (or according to the missconduct) and not making it public

but now the hurricanes management say that:

-"The five players are understood to have missed a prescribed curfew by 18 minutes"

-"the five players were not drunk and had not committed any remotely anti-social acts, they were simply late home."

really?
as I said this is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen,....... arriving 18 minutes late is a completely insignificant infraction,........ it didn't affect the trainings, nor the players condition, let alone the team's performance,.......... it should have been treated internally (but trully internally) but instead the hurricanes management created a public affair from an insignificance putting the Hurricanes themselves and the 5 players in question,.......

I think I've never seen a worst managing of a minor problem
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