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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:30
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07 Jan 2015, 13:30#1
Just repeating my last post on the now screwed up "Christmas" thread. I can't fix whatever stuff up I made because I can't get to the edit button. Anyway, it was becoming a bit cumbersome anyway . . . as posts tend to when Baboon-ou copies and pastes his mountains of rubbish. This was my reply . . .

Oh for goodness sake Baboon-ou, stop trying to pretend that these charlatans that you find on your christian-fundamentalist websites have any kind of scientific credibility. I haven't forgotten your hero Carl Baugh and all the ducking, diving and dodging you did when I exposed him as a fraud.

Like I keep saying, my beliefs when it comes to the origins of the universe are mainstream and based very much on what current respected scientists are saying (and note here Baboon-ou that I'm talking about respected scientists . . . not half-witted and deceitful zealots like Ken Ham and Carl Baugh).

I know you don't particularly like Wikipedia (except on the very rare occasion when it supports any of your outlandish and pathetically childish notions) but even a dribbling moron like you cannot deny that Wikipedia represents a mainstream view. Well, here is Wikipedia's article on what they call the "creation-evolution controversy".

 

I know in the past you've proven to be too stupid to even perform the simple task of clicking on a link so I've pasted an extract here for you (yes, even though I know you're too intolerant and narrow minded to read it . . . but hey, at least I can't be accused of not trying!) . . .

 

"The creation–evolution controversy (also termed the creation vs. evolution debate or the origins debate) involves a recurring cultural, political, and theological dispute about the origins of the Earth, of humanity, and of other life. This debate rages most publicly in the United States, and to a lesser extent in Europe and elsewhere,[1] often portrayed as part of a culture war.[2]

 

The level of support for evolution is extremely high within the scientific community and in academia, with 95% of scientists supporting evolution.[3][4][5][6][7][8] Support for Abrahamic religions' accounts or other creationist alternatives is very low among scientists, and virtually nonexistent among scientists in the relevant fields.[9]

 

Christian fundamentalists dispute the evidence of common descent of humans and other animals as demonstrated in modern paleontology, genetics, histology and cladistics and those other sub-disciplines which are based upon the conclusions of modern evolutionary biology, geology, cosmology, and other related fields. They argue for the Abrahamic accounts of creation, framing them as reputable science ("creation science"). While the controversy has a long history,[10] today it is mainly over what constitutes good science education,[11][12] with the politics of creationism primarily focusing on the teaching of creation and evolution in public education.[13][14][15][16][17]

 

A 2014 Gallup survey reports, "More than four in 10 Americans continue to believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago, a view that has changed little over the past three decades. Half of Americans believe humans evolved, with the majority of these saying God guided the evolutionary process. However, the percentage who say God was not involved is rising."[18]

 

The debate is sometimes portrayed as being between science and religion, but as the United States National Academy of Sciences states:

 

    "Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth's history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts."

    —National Academy of Sciences,

Science, Evolution, and Creationism[19]

 

 

Okay Baboon-ou, now did you notice this bit . . . "The level of support for evolution is extremely high within the scientific community and in academia, with 95% of scientists supporting evolution."

 

How about this . . . "Support for Abrahamic religions' accounts or other creationist alternatives is very low among scientists, and virtually nonexistent among scientists in the relevant fields."

 

Do you understand? You happy clappy fundamentalist bible bashers are among a tiny minority of people stupid enough to consider "creation science" to be a real science. Everyone else thinks it's a steaming pile of horseshit so please, stop copying and pasting all this utter drivel from your answersingenesis.org website and either think for yourself or talk about something else.

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:36
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07 Jan 2015, 13:36#2

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:40
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07 Jan 2015, 13:40#3

That thread looks like it has been locked, as it shows that Beeno last reponded, but you only see Rooinek as the last poster.

 

I could be wrong

 

Therefore, I would like to post my last question that I did back there to Beeno and CC on here.

 

Devil's Advocate

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 687 RE: The Hypocisy of the worlds Christmas...the true meaning
January 07, 2015, 13:12:50

CC and Beeno

Put your convictions down in writing and stop bleating like blind sheep

 

If you heard a voice in your mind telling you to sacrifice your entire family now, and you will be allowed into heaven, but the Lord tells you that he will not reveal himself to you, as a test of your faith in him to still perform the task.

 

Would you do it.... yes or no

 

I would never do it, simple as that, so you have my answer.

At least put these convictions of yours down in writing and stop being so pathetically weak.

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:42
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07 Jan 2015, 13:42#4
Great, so I repost my comment after I screwed up the margins on the other thread so along comes LeTwat (the same lifeless loser who claims he's ignoring me) and what does he do? He pastes a youtube clip (of yet another bible-bashing fundamentilist pseudoscience charlatan nogal) and screws up the margins!

Sigh . . .


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:47
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07 Jan 2015, 13:47#5
 Can you produce any evidence of a world wide poll being done and by whom rooitwit.Lets not jump on the atheistic band wagon propaganda. 
Lets stick to the facts and present real evidence like I have always done. 
We have the science community agreeing there once was nothingHere again is Hawkins

First, here’s a quote from Stephen Hawking: (he needs no introduction)

 

"In this lecture, I would like to discuss whether time itself has a beginning, and whether it will have an end. All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology. Yet it is now taken for granted. We are not yet certain whether the universe will have an end." (end quote)

 

The Big Bang model states that space, time, energy, and matter (STEM) all began at this moment. That is, matter began at this moment. Space began. Time began. Energy began. This is agreed to by non-theists, such as Hawking.

 

By the way, the reason STEM began to exist is because if you have matter, it must be located somewhere; hence, you must also have space. With matter, you also have energy; hence, often we call it energy-matter (thanks to E = MC squared). And time is nothing more than relations of these. 


It all began in a moment.

This haking understands his problem is hte cuase and hence his desparte attempt ot argue that becuasee there is a law of gravity the univer can and will create itself out of nothing. This argument has failed dismally but its the best the atheists can muster.


Getting a glimmer rooitwit?

 



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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:47
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07 Jan 2015, 13:47#6
Science. What do you know of science? I have to laugh at people like you. You don't know what Christianity is, yet you don't know what science is either. And I assure you Rooibek, there is nothing more lifeless than a hate-filled bigot whose only purpose on this planet seems to be attacking other people. Never have I seen anything good come from you, only more and more hate-speech. You would make a spectacular. The irony is that the Satanism would be a perfect fit for you.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:49
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07 Jan 2015, 13:49#7
 By the way quoting wiki as your great sourse isa  bit well sad really! Bwahahahaha
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:49
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07 Jan 2015, 13:49#8
Waiting Beeno.... CC  
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:54
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07 Jan 2015, 13:54#9
He doesn't have a background in any field of science, so he will naturally go to wikipedia. I would recommend a bit more research, but the study is far too extensive for his quick outbursts online. Rather just find a source you never scrutinized with the proper hermeneutics and be done with it I suppose. But hey, we are all stupid a nd he is god.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:55
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07 Jan 2015, 13:55#10
LeTwat, stop squealing like a little crybaby and instead show some manners and common courtesy and delete your youtube clip that is messing up the margins for everyone else. You're welcome to paste the link but the actual clip is stuffing up the margins.

If what I'm saying is making your mouth drool and your head hurt then ask a nearby adult to explain your very selfish and inconsiderate actions to you.

Glad to see your ignore Rooinek campaign is working out so well for you!

LMAO!
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:55
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07 Jan 2015, 13:55#11
here's a question for Rooibek, can you explain the origin of morality? It's an enormous problem for evolutionists.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:58
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07 Jan 2015, 13:58#12
LeTwat, perhaps the answer to your question is on the original post on this thread . . . you know, the one that people can no longer read because of your youtube clip that you very selfishly refuse to remove.

Try editing your post, you may find I answered your question. There's only one way to find out. There's a good little chap . . .
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:59
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07 Jan 2015, 13:59#13
 If you heard a voice in your mind telling you to sacrifice your entire family now, and you will be allowed into heaven, but the Lord tells you that he will not reveal himself to you, as a test of your faith in him to still perform the task.
DA you have completely lost the plot. Sorry boet this sooo stupid its really not worth considering. Abraham was tested in this way but Isaac was never in any danger. The reason was god would never require Abrahm to sacrifice his son. God condemned child sacrifce (And of course condemns abortion) and judges nations perpertrating this horrow.What God did was sacrifce His own Son for our sins on the same mount where Abraham showed he was willing to sacrifce Isaac - the temple mount in Jerusalem. Abrahma believed God could raise Issac from the dead if Isaac was killed. Instead God provided a Ram for the scarfice - a type of  of the sacrifice Christ would make - behold the lamb of Gid who takest away the sins of the world cried out John the baptist. God then raised Christ from the dead. Put another way Christ said he has the power to lay down His life and take it up again.
Look if you heard a voice in your head, and p erhaps you have, suggesting such a thing it would be the Devil speaking to you.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 14:13
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07 Jan 2015, 14:13#14
 Card ease up on rooitwit. We are discussing great maters here so keep calm and sensible oaks like me!How about theproblem of the infinite regresswhich went swoosh over Becs head:

So, let’s assume matter/energy has existed eternally. That would mean that matter existed yesterday. In deed, matter would have existed the day before yesterday. And matter would have existed the day before that, and on and on you go. Now you have the infinite regress. But, since we have arrived at today (an end point), is your opponent willing to argue that the existence of matter has traversed an infinite number of yesterdays, and somehow, arrived at today? By definition, an infinite anything has no beginning or END.

 

All the infinite regress argument proves is that there must be a first cause! And once you arrive at a first cause, its very existence has only three possibilities: self-caused, uncaused, or caused by another. Caused by another means we are no longer dealing with the “first cause.Self-caused is irrational. By elimination, the first cause must be uncaused. And, since STEM began at the Big Bang, this first cause can not itself be space, time, energy, or matter.


So what was thsi eternal first cause. Obviously it was God. The question of who created God is nonsensical. Without an eternal first cause nothing would exist today.

Game set and match once more.

Beeno dealing in facts and logical reasoning.

Now watch the oaks try and ignore these posts.




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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jan 2015, 14:17
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07 Jan 2015, 14:17#15
You need to explain to the profane information science. Beeno, it's just too much work to put into something vacuous. He only talks science when he suits him, without ever having studied it himself. B ut being opinionated makes all the difference I suppose.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 14:27
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07 Jan 2015, 14:27#16
 I have no problem with the You Tube clip. It is within the borders etc. Update your old computer roowtit. I am watching the clip now. I see ou dorkins insulting those who dont believe in the fairy tale of evolution - macro evolution not very minor changes like a beak growing slighly longer. I note ou DA never says anything about this very mortal men insulting others. Its his bias at play!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2015, 14:41
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07 Jan 2015, 14:41#17
Goodness me but you are stupid, Baboon-ou!

LMAO!
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 14:57
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07 Jan 2015, 14:57#18

"Abraham was tested in this way"

 

Thank you Beeno......precisely my point

 

So would you or wouldn't you?, and at what point would you stop and say "Hold on, he hasn't told me to stop yet, because like Abraham, as a true believer, surely you would know that your God can bring them all back to life"

 

Weak argument Beeno.... ....Abraham only stopped when he was instructed to by God after showing his faith and fear of God, so if he asked the same of you, how far would you go?

 

Look if you heard a voice in your head, and perhaps you have, suggesting such a thing it would be the Devil speaking to you.

 

So all the people that God gave ideas and instructions to through their dreams and in their thoughts (Voices etc etc) ... and which they performed in his name.... ), were visited by the devil?

 

Interesting.......

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2015, 14:57
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07 Jan 2015, 14:57#19
 
Hey Dumb Ass ... I'm proud of you boy. Resisting those voices must have been a tough ask, but you did it.

Well done.

Just a little advice ... don't ever tell your family how close they were to checking out ... and secondly if these same voices tell you you can fly ... please ... don't believe them.

Rather go see a physician. He can help ... I think!!

 


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 15:15
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07 Jan 2015, 15:15#20

Yep CC

 

You both profess that he will return one day or sooner.............

 

But you refuse to accept that he may test your faith just like he did to Abraham

 

That is exactly how pathetic you sound

 

He will return... he will do this.... but he won't do this.... but he could do this......

 

In other words.... anything that falls in line with how you believe in him and makes you correct 

 

I'm mad and need to see a doctor... yet it is written and accepted that he tested Abraham this way, and Abraham had the knife in the air to finish this act, before God spoke

 

So... in other words... it was ockay for the lord to do it back then, but if he even contemplated testing anyone's faith today with the same test now, they are simple, mad, stupid, senile

 

Do you even comprehend how dumb and hypocritical you sound

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 15:19
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07 Jan 2015, 15:19#21

The two of you just put egg all over your stupid face by the way you responded to this last logical question I posed. 

 

I am merely quoting what happened in the past in the bible, that God did, to test people's faith.

 

Typical

 

Maybe next time he comes down he will just devise some other simple test like "Do you really love me... "Pinkie Promise"

 

 

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 15:25
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07 Jan 2015, 15:25#22

"Resisting those voices must have been a tough ask, but you did it."

Come now CC.... since you are so well read

 

In all the instances in the bible where the lord spoke to his disciples or believers, how often did he have a sit down meeting with them?

 

How many times was it through dreams, voices, thoughts, actions etc etc

 

Are you saying they were all mad like me and needed a physician as well?

 

So, in modern times like these, according to Beeno, any voices in the head is Satan himself, and CC says they would need to see a doctor

 

I'm guessing you may both be correct, maybe God himself has a tablet now and maybe he would Skype you directly

 

Mmmmmmmmm..... interesting you two how you change your tune according the the questions posed

 

 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2015, 15:48
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07 Jan 2015, 15:48#23
 
No, of course not, Dumb Ass.

The voices you're listening to are nonsensical ramblings brought on by deep rooted issues of some sort, probably from you youth ... and more than likely you're a little sensitive about them ... so I won't press you for details.  

That's why I suggested you go see a doctor. 

Let's face it Dumb Ass, you've been going on and on about God for more than a week now. So many stupid childish questions, yet you reject every response? No answer will ever be good enough for you.

Are you an angry man?

Is this a desperate cry for help?

Is it?

Is that why your so emotional ?




DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 16:06
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07 Jan 2015, 16:06#24

Emotional...... Lol

 

More like rational..... you and Beeno are the emotional one's

 

It's not like you or Beeno have accepted one single thought or belief from any other posters  on here, as you two have rejected every other person's response.

 

What makes you so different.... because you are a believer?  No, it's because you are sanctimonious and think you are a higher being than me because you believe.

 

It's quite sickening really.  Nothing posted so far by you two has made any sense besides scribes that were written a long time ago. Show me one factual iota and you may change my way of thinking

 

So, because I don't believe like you two, I'm sick, delusional, insane, desperate, angry, childish, emotional, had a bad child hood.... blah blah blah

 

All because I don't conform to your belief. 

 

If being a Christian is what you two act like, thank GOD I am not one. 

 

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 16:09
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07 Jan 2015, 16:09#25

So

 

Answer my question CC, since you seem to always throw the book in my face

 

"In all the instances in the bible where the lord spoke to his disciples or believers, how often did he have a sit down meeting with them?

How many times was it through dreams, voices, thoughts, actions etc etc"

 

Is it because we are in 20th century that this changes?

 

Is this way not allowed anymore because it does not fit in with your belief of what is right, sane, insane, emotional, twisted.

 

It was just ok to do it back then?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2015, 16:10
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07 Jan 2015, 16:10#26
You bible-bashers will be pleased to know you have an ally. Read here to see who is praying to god asking him to send his son back for the second coming so he can cleanse our sins.

LMAO!


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2015, 16:16
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07 Jan 2015, 16:16#27
 
Yes ... perhaps it's for the best.

You stick to your silliness. Christianity isn't for you.









CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2015, 16:20
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07 Jan 2015, 16:20#28
 
Yes Redneck ... that's funny alright.

That's the image most have of the Christian ... sadly.

Impossible to fix.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2015, 16:21
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07 Jan 2015, 16:21#29
 
Dumb Ass ... why are you still asking questions?

I thought you were done with us Christians.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 16:23
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07 Jan 2015, 16:23#30
 You missed the point entirely yet again. What happened there was type treaching.Its a picture of Christ and His sacrifice. Amazing really when you see it. DA you are truly clueless. 
This was a unique occassion to teach via the type. It would not happen again.  We know that God will not ask us to sacrifice our Children to Him!!!!!!!!!!!!!Of course God has been heard to speak in an audible voice and what He says lines up with His word and the indwelling Holy Spirit bears witness to the fact it is in fact God. My sheep hear my voice and the voice of another they will not harken unto says Jesus.
However any idea of God asking such a daft question of us must be abandoned.
Ou DA - the mid boggles at the darkness of this mind.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2015, 17:32
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07 Jan 2015, 17:32#31
If you stood at the first of January 1900.... what were the odds that you would ever exist? Give me an intelligent answer to that question RooiAAs and I would say you are semi qualified to debate this issue. Unfortunately you are far, far too stupid. 
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
07 Jan 2015, 17:41
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07 Jan 2015, 17:41#32
Hahahahaha
Ok Beeno and CC
I shall stop asking
What a response Beeno, so that was a unique occasion and won't happen again
You know this how? 
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sharkbokCaptain23,218 posts
07 Jan 2015, 17:57
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07 Jan 2015, 17:57#33
Beeno how has Sunday School been lately? What do the other kids think of all these fascinating stories
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 18:02
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07 Jan 2015, 18:02#34
 Hey rooitwit in stead of grunting away about how silly baboon ou is would you comment on my posts above. 

Card I though your video clip was excellent almost cried with laughter. My what charlatons these atheists are. Imagine commiting these forgeries and pedalling these lies when they have found to be hoaxes. 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jan 2015, 18:24
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07 Jan 2015, 18:24#35
 Information science again another the death knell for the hapless atheists Card. I have posted some stuff on this for them. I cant recall any indication they had read the material. There is simply no answering it - perhaps why they didnt attempt to.
I am off to supper with some friends. Card could you give them some info maybe it will help if they read it. We cant allow them to get away with their shocking ignorance!I think these guys are running scared.
Catch up later.

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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
07 Jan 2015, 18:38
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07 Jan 2015, 18:38#36
Seems like a hot topic on this messageboard. Perhaps we should create a new category for 'believers vs. non-believers' BTW - You aren't going to convince each other chaps.

Beeno - You still are just the same chop that you have been all these years. When I first came on here I thought 'Wow, Beeno really matured a lot since his childish outbursts on the superrugby messageboard' but in fact little glimmers of the old you just cant be stopped from making their way through the cracks. Seems it is true that a leopard cant change its spots.

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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
07 Jan 2015, 18:41
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07 Jan 2015, 18:41#37
My computer, which is less than 1 year old and using the latest versions of both Firefox and Internet explorer is doing the same thing as rooineks. Not just on this thread but on others too. The edges of the posts have been cut off once someone posts something too big to fit in the box.

Now respond to me Beeno with an emoticon lying on its side laughing. Please - I love it !
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2015, 19:37
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07 Jan 2015, 19:37#38
Here's the thing:
The religious chaps don't have to prove anything. They believe. It's not based on science, statistics, digging up rocks. 

The pseudo scientists on this Board mock them. Look how stupid the bible is, they say....as if that proves anything. These same pseudo scientists can't even put together a probability model for their existence from 1900 onwards.....let alone in infinite time. But they believe in science, not understanding even it's most basic tool...mathematics.
But let's turn to what the real scientists know. They think they have found the Higgs Bosun which explains mass. But electrons and protons the only building blocks we are certain about, account for only 5 per cent of matter. Fully 80 per cent of matter is supposedly "dark matter" which nobody knows anything about.
So the LHC, the World's most powerful Collider has been doubled in power to find this other missing particle...it will start in March. But as of now none of the equations add up.....and previous attempts to find dark matter have failed. Perhaps it will work somewhat this time. But likely we will still be left with many questions unanswered.
And in the end, the ironical thing is the Great Flood is mentioned  in enough cultures, it's probably history. The great Temple existed, the Romans were in Jerusalem, the Assyrians were a military presence, the Israelites probably helped build the pyramids.
So if science has proven 5 percent of its theory....and many prior beliefs have been disproven. Why does the bible have to be 100 percent right? Something to think about. I tend to view it all as unknown....and so nobody should be laughing at someone else's belief, whether it be scientific or based on religion.
Even the greatest instrument we have ever built, with temperatures at absolute zero in some parts and 100 times hotter than the sun on other surfaces may not give  us all the answers.


Here is the story on the Collider if you want to add a few facts to your arguments:
http://www.ethioscoop.com/mobile/mobile/news/world-news/19149-large-hadron-collider-could-soon-find-dark-matter-claims-scientist.html


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generaltitPro3,164 posts
07 Jan 2015, 19:59
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07 Jan 2015, 19:59#39
 Thank you Mozart...at least you have the common sense intelligence to realise that anything of order or beauty wasn't created by accident or an unexplainable big bang...tantamount to some fool spilling paint on a board and creating a Rembrandt or Van Gogh painting...it's a ridiculous argument...you either can see it or your eyes are blinded by something sinister or evil. All things or balance and design can only be created or designed...it's rather like the clay asking the potter why have you made me like this...mere man and his piddly science that battle for of years to put man on the moon and idolises cosmonauts or astronauts like Glenn or Gargarin or scientists like Einstein that only work with measly science of the matters have the cheek, audacity or arrogance to challenge an intelligence far and superior beyond man's limited intelligence. Only a fool says there's no God. I don't think it's funny...just sad that eyes are so blind...has to be something more evil than common sense that impairs people like this.

No argument, no matter how deviously designed will satisfy those you simply choose to disbelieve...it's not debatable, such sadness can only be prayed for and that these poor fellows need divine intervention...I cannot do it, neither can anybody else...only a gracious Maker.

You have freewill to choose your own destiny...God never forces you to believe or disbelieve...Calvinism is a form of theology that's evil and not in line with the true gospel...nobody was predestinated for hell or heaven. The ball is in your court...God gives you a choice...He has given all mankind to accept His plan of redemption...we cannot earn it...nothing satisfies a Holy God than more Himself becoming flesh in the Son and standing in our place for our sins.He died on the cross at Calvary for all the world's sins. God is perfect and holy and cannot tolerate unredeemed sin...that's why He set the example of love and died in our place to save us. No religion, theology, good works or accolades will save you...only accepting His plan. Religions...myriads of them in the world are man's interpretations...His way is Himself...Jesus was either what He said He was...or the biggest liar and deceiver...He was not just a good man, prophet or baby born in Bethlehem that people sentimentally worship once a year...with a fir tree, a fatman in a red costume...that travels the world in one night despite the time zones and manages to get his obese torso down narrow chimneys to give presents to misled children...these type of fantasies are obvious lies and deceptions...there's no middle road with Christ...He is either what He said He was or even worse an agent of Satan himself. Read about Him, what He said and did and make your own decision. He was either the Son Of God (God incarnate) or not...not just another prophet or good man...He either is what He claimed... the Truth or a a most terrible liar.

I'm not going to even debate this issue anymore...it's totally senseless.



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sharkbokCaptain23,218 posts
07 Jan 2015, 21:36
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07 Jan 2015, 21:36#40
Lets take the smartest 500 people in the world right now. The overwhelming majority of these people will believe in evolution. 
Same with the smartest 5000, 50000 100000 people in the world- the majority believe in evolution.

The facts are also that religion continues to grow in the poor and lesser educated, and continues to decline with educated people. The averages of these states are certain- in countries and individuals. (maybe it is divine intervention that the lesser educated will just accept Sunday School teachings). 
Many people like Einstein, Hawkins etc, etc do not believe their is a personal God, but this does not make them atheists. They are just aware that life and the universe is above their understanding. However they do not accept the child teachings from Sunday School. 
These are the type of people who helped take humanity out of the dark ages where the Church were the authority on knowledge. (This is where the world went backwards from the heights of the ancient Greek period- the basis of many university disciplines such as law, ethics and science). 

Oh but lets just forget about science, maths and human intelligence. Lets just accept what the Church tells us, or the local Charlton that makes the dumb people pay for forgiveness. (ha, ha).


Even from Genesis, it sounds like the universe was made of nothing or thereabouts.....If their was no heavens or earth, what was there? Sounds like nothing, or something not far from nothing. (Perhaps God forgot to mention the dark matter in the bible because if it cant be explained with todays technology, it sure will not be explained to the likes of Noah)....
Religious people are unfortunately to indoctrinated to accept the possibility that evolution and the big bang may be part of creation. These are the same poor sods that supported the Church who said that the world was flat, and not round. (Many of the great thought leaders of the renaissance were killed bringing back the enlightenment from ancient Greeks). 

Genesis 1 New International Version (NIV)enesis 1 New International Version (NIV)

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God calledthe light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

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On the "Great Flood". "Many histories have a record of this. If the Noah story was true, this may be because the only historical record was Noah and his family.....
What however is more realistic, is that the old testament of the bible comes from the original source. Noah was NOT western. He was more likely a Muslim because that was the centre of civilization at the time. This is why their records are similar. 
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