Scot Africa take the Poms

Dummkopf Saffex banging his head against the wall again,trying to support a useless, overated pommie outfit.The he tries to say they're good because they're better than the 2007 outfit.

Any team that fights back like their 2007 team did beating ,(another yardstick Aussie 5th ranking 2007,6th ranking 2019 ) a much better Aussie team than that 2019 outfit,has to be rated.


Tried explaining to this meathead that england been avoiding Kiwis to boost their morale and then obviously their ranking too ,gave him the stats...flew right over his head...."Give me hope Jo'anna ,oh don't make me wait until the morning come."

The 2007 schedule was significantly more difficult. England possessed a power pack, the Samoans were deadly physical, the Tongans were immensely physical, Fiji were complete enough to take out a top side that year, Argentina were in tremendous form. What team did the Boks play in 2019 that could match their physicality? New Zealand? They beat us. Wales? They were obliterated by injuries, yet still should have picked us off, save for more heroics by Louw. There was noone else. Canada, Japan, Namibia, Italy? Seriously? And when we tried to open up on attack the handling errors were shocking. This was the easiest run of games, with the only banana peel being Wales. New Zealand in the group stage was a blessing, and we would have lost to them in the knockout stages. As for England's strength? They have shifted from power since the Johnson days. They don't possess the power up front that they once did, and in the hands of an Aussie that could be trouble. They'd have been better off with Jake, who would have added to that strength, not mover to the softer modern Wallaby approach. 

Hmmmmmm....Rooipeepie ....makes a feeble attempt to change the subject because he knows Dave is going down in flames. Do we judge a WC win based on prior form, or do we judge a WC win based on beating teams that have shown form in the WC. That form reflected in their rankings immediately after the WC.

The answer is so obvious it doesn’t need justification. Dave for 12 years you have been running down our 2007 WC win based on logic that applies equally to our 2019 win.

Hoist by your own petard. But never mind Rooipeepie is in the same boat.

2007 knockout stages . . . the one half of the draw is New Zealand, Australia, England and France. The other half is South Africa, Fiji, Argentina and Scotland. Even rugby noobs would be able to tell you how unbalanced that is. Moffie is obvioulsy not quite at noob status yet.

LMAO!

It's worth repeating . . . between smashing a weak England side 36-0 in the opening game and scraping through against the same weak England side in the final, the Springboks did not face a single opponent who had ever beaten them in their entire rugby history up until that point.

Let that sink in.

Of all the people I was in France to see the 2007 WC.  So I saw the matches live and studied the games afterwards on TV.    

So lets start from the  beginning,    In the case of the English round robin game the influence of Eddie Jones in the game was clear,   The Springboks played a flowing game that was a pleasure to watch,   However, in the final something weird happen - the influence of Jones were gone and the game plan used was one the English team prescribed to the Springboks - so White was totally outsmarted by the English coach.

The final in 2007 depended not on good performance by the Springboks - but on the poor discipline of the  English team.    There were only one incident in the whole game where a threatening attack by the  Springboks took place - but at the breakdown the  Spruingbooks id not protect the ball and possession was lost.

The games against the other three minnow teams included a game against Tonga.   It was a very poor performance by the Springboks that nearly caused them to lose the match.    That was near to the Ja[an disaster in 2015.    However - the various arguments raised by Mozart and the Kindergarten imbecile is at best spurious and based on factors that has no relevance,   There are things  that Mozart and co conveniently  ignore like -

*    the Springboks were indeed lucky they did not come up against NZ on the 2007 WC as a result of a number of weird results in games -f they did the chances are they wpulr have beaten the Springboks by a massive margin of the 33-6 win the AB's beat them by in the TrioNations are borne in mind;

*     taking into account that the Japan disaster in 2015 initiated a huge development program for Ruby in Japan and  the team was a much stronger outfit than they were in 2015 0 so much so they eat both Oreland and Scotland to end up top of the log in their pool - a big margin  win  over Japan is not a game to be sneezed at since it is indicative  of real rugby excellence by the 2019 Springboks;

*      much is made of Wilkinson being in the English team in the final 0 but he was not the player he used to be in 2013 in the WC final and his contribution to the English team was minimal - he even missed two drop kicks at goal.  

There is one thing a person must always remember  - when Mozart comes up with his routine attacks on the 2019  coaching staff and players - have a good hard look at what he wrote and compare that with what actually happened in the game.   His findings and comments are never based on facts and always on some dream he would like to see happening and did not happen.        

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Unfortunately the argument that we faced a tougher NZ in 2019 would  only be valid if we beat NZ. We lost to them.....wooooosh goes that argument.

We always make the playoffs so the pools are only relevant in terms of the quality of the knockout opposition. And the best measure of that is the rankings immediately after the WC. Those rankings were a combined 15 in 2019 and 16 in 2007....statistically insignificant....whoosh goes that argument.

 And that misses the fact that the Poms played their final in the semi in 2019.....just like the Frogs did in 99.

The conclusion is obvious the 2007 team which was undefeated unlike the 2019 team....faced similar opposition,  had a real opponent in the final and a more honest challenge. 

Playing NZ and losing to NZ...hell Namibia can do that. Playing Wales and England vs playing England twice and Argentina who beat Scotland, France and Wales at the WC????

Case closed.

How the hell SA even manages to remain competitive is mystery on its own.

What if we, like England or NZ, had the money to keep our players here and a non-racist and non-corrupt government that wasn't ruining almost every institution and aspect of life in SA?

We'd still be murdering NZ and everyone else on a regular basis.

Per causation one could say these are consequences of apartheid. 

However, the rest of Africa looks even worse. 

How you can  compare that team of rugby geriatrics the English played  against the Springboks as 2007 being more competitive than the 2019 team of England is a joke poor taste.

To compare the quality of rugby played by the Springboks in the 2007  final with the quality of rugby played by the Springboks in 2019 is also beyond belief.   The sloppy performance of the 2007 team prove exactly why the 2019 faultless display of the Springboks in 2019 showed a better coached team in the latter year.  

Get real and get over your simplistic garbage.  

This is almost like arguing with Mike. It’s about the competition you played and how they were playing at the WC, best reflected by their ratings immediately after the WC.

For example the Bargies went from 6 to 3 during WC 2007. Why? Because they beat Scotland, France and Wales at the WC. Which is the right rating for them as opponents at the WC....3 of course.

As for the pools....we are almost guaranteed to get through. The only question is do we win against the other big dog in our pool....thus playing the loser in the corresponding pool.

We played NZ....but we lost. As a consequence we should have played Ireland. But they folded against the Nips. So.....lucky, lucky, lucky......we lose but get the easy Nips.

Then we play an injury reduced Wales and scrape through......followed by a totally distracted England.

Nope there was nothing inevitable about our WC win....nor was the opposition any better....and we lost in the pools.

Case closed....ou Mike er Dave.

It has everything to do with Jake.....I read you like a book Dave.

Mozart

You really are living on cloud 9 when it comes to rugby/   I did not compare anything else - and made up stories to do so like you did - I rote about facts and the facts show that the 2007 team in the series were far from perfect throughout the series and made a mess of many things.   

So lets look a the following:-

*    The ball protection at breakdowns was iffy and the backline players did not regard that as necessary and the loosies - especially in he final was never prominent in the game and was largely invisible.

*     Two many ball losses occurred when players got tackled and there ball skills were poor,  In 2007 there were numerous cases where ball skills of  Springbok  cause possession losses.   In the Springbok team there was only one player whose ball skills were substandard  in 2007 there were  a number of players who were substandard. 

*      Scrumming was so-so and the Springbok scrum was not comparable with the 2019 team whose performances was awesome.

*      The Springbok defense in 2019 set a new norm in world rugby when it comes to defense,

*,     The fact is the 2007 team struggled to score tries in the series and scored none in the final - from comments by Smir it was clear that there was no planning of the game allowing for scoring of tries.    An extremely limited game plan was used  and the Springboks were lucky that the English gave away penalties that were converted,  

*       The 2019 team was coached to play top rugby with comprehensive rugby being the norm.     Fact is that the English coach  - Ashton - outwitted  White when planning strategies for the final and White ended up playing the final to a plan that fitted the English team like a glove.   Like Beaumont wrote about the Springbok coaching he  said that in 2015 Eddie  Jones outwitted Meyer - but in 2019 the opposite happened when Erasmus  outwitted Jones'.

When it comes to the AB's  - at a discussion at the NZ Breakdown program on TV sai d the AB's would not have beaten the Springboks in the WC final if they produced the performance they put up in the final.    There was no 33-6 loss in the Tri-Nations in 2007.   The AB record in 2018 and 2019 was far from being totally overwhelming of the Springboks.  There record in 2018 was one loss in Wellington and a 2 point win in Pretoria in 2018 - as well as a draw in the  2019 RWC played in New Zealand.    In the WC pool game the real loss was caused by the totally defective defense of   Mostert - who donated a try on a platter to the AB's    Hew as dropped from the starting line-up as a result.    

So all your garbage is worthless and the fact is that all world experts will confirm what I wrote above and through the years has openly done so,         

Josè Erasmus outwitted the month of June? 

Ja.......hahaha....Jones outwitted May(er) and Erasmus outwitted June. July is anybody’s guess. 

You could not argue against what I wrote about the team performances between the 2007 and 2019 performances and what happened in the two finals - the best you two can come up with  was a  silly mistake I made in writing what I did,   Sorry for you two village idiots - I did correct the  mistake,    

Fact is that the 2019 RWC win came as a shock to you two and within a week the  idiotic attacks on Erasmus and the team continued.    Accept reality and stop being two of the most rugby illiterate idiots ever on a rugby site.         

Oh I have disproved it many times.....you don’t get the message and I’m bored with schooling you.

Disproved what?   Never by facts - always by excises that you dreamed up.    Face ot - there ios not ONE issue attacked to rugby where the 2007 side in the final performed better than the 2019 side did.   Your bringing up the loss in the series against the AB's has been clarified by AB experts themselves - so must we keep reading the same twaddle from you. 

The fact is that the AB' only had to appear on the rugby field to win the games when the Springboks were coached by White, Meyer and Coetzee - but they had yo battle when the came up against the Springboks when Erasmus took over,   That is the fact of the matter which you try to cover up.   For prominent NZ experts  - who all played for the AB's saying that they would not have beaten the Springboks in the final say it all.   

Al your twaddle about how the AB's would have beaten the Springboks in an imagined final is about as shallow rugby thinking as only you cab be are capable of.    There is just np logic in any of your arguments - 

*     the English beat the AB's in the semi-final; and 

*     the English was dismantled  by the springboks and was 20 points better than them 

No teams ever take the bronze medal games  in the WC seriously and in most cases they actually field  second level players - like the AB's did in 1999 and the 2015 Argentine team in the bronze medal games were typical examples,                 

Disproved what?   Never by facts - always by excises that you dreamed up.    Face ot - there ios not ONE issue attacked to rugby where the 2007 side in the final performed better than the 2019 side did.   Your bringing up the loss in the series against the AB's has been clarified by AB experts themselves - so must we keep reading the same twaddle from you. 

The fact is that the AB' only had to appear on the rugby field to win the games when the Springboks were coached by White, Meyer and Coetzee - but they had yo battle when the came up against the Springboks when Erasmus took over,   That is the fact of the matter which you try to cover up.   For prominent NZ experts  - who all played for the AB's saying that they would not have beaten the Springboks in the final say it all.   

Al your twaddle about how the AB's would have beaten the Springboks in an imagined final is about as shallow rugby thinking as only you cab be are capable of.    There is just np logic in any of your arguments - 

*     the English beat the AB's in the semi-final; and 

*     the English was dismantled  by the springboks and was 20 points better than them 

No teams ever take the bronze medal games  in the WC seriously and in most cases they actually field  second level players - like the AB's did in 1999 and the 2015 Argentine team in the bronze medal games were typical examples,