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So ....Quinton de Kock

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2015, 03:55
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03 Aug 2015, 03:55#1
When I questioned his technique there were howls of disagreement....and when he blew our CWC with an amateurish missed stumping, his supporters simply denied the facts. Harder to deny this:

De Kock is struggling technically, that cannot be denied. There is no lack of form issues here, just a lack of application. Part of those struggles might be down to the lack of game time. Aside from the World Cup, where he contributed little, De Kock has not played any long-form cricket. While he did feature in the limited overs matches against Bangladesh, he has not had time to get into the rhythm of Tests. Even with the cricket he has played, some of the rehab routines that he has gone through might have influenced his current approach. As a left-handed player, he would often place weight on his left foot when going for more aggressive shots, the foot which was injured. Lack of footwork is exactly what has troubled De Kock in recent times and part of that might be down to the conditioning throughout rehab. Time out in the middle and in the nets is likely to be the only solution.

It’s a good thing, then, that De Kock has been dumped from the Test team for South Africa’s second Test against Bangladesh. Dane Vilas will assume the gloves in the interim while De Kock is packaged off for South Africa’s A-team tour in India in the hope that he gets back to his best ahead of a tough series away against India and at home against England. DM

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 10:44
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03 Aug 2015, 10:44#2

Well for a start you are 100% wrong about the WC crap and the run out.....fact is, the throw from Rossouw was not on target and it skidded through on a wet surface.....de Kock had stuff all to do with our exit.


If we want to pick a run out opportunity missed in that game look no further than AB's cock up......far more glaring than de Kocks......FACT


As for de Kock and his batting......the kid is a class act who needs time at the wicket......that will come and he will be fine. Far too talented not to be back soon.


Technically far less flawed than Smith, but certainly not the perfect technique, but that can be said of many players.....Faf and Amla spring to mind.



 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Aug 2015, 10:58
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03 Aug 2015, 10:58#3
 The only FACT regarding your statement is that it is in FACT an OPINION. An OPINION that is disproved by the FACTS. The FACT that something is YOUR OPINION does not make it aFACT, even if you say that it is a FACT in capital letters. Even if you truly believe it to be FACT, there are others that disagree with that OPINION and while both OPINIONS may be either right or wrong, they remain merely OPINIONS, until they are proven either correct or wrong.

FACT is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of FACT is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience. The FACT that your OPINION is in actual FACT the exact opposite of the verifiable experience (FACT), therefore proves that your OPINION is in FACT not FACT..

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Aug 2015, 11:00
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03 Aug 2015, 11:00#4

 ".....the kid is a class act who...." A "class act" who is being demoted.  How many more times are we going to hear this utter rubbish?  You really don't know do you? In my book a class act doesn't get demoted...that's exactly why he'd be a class act!


Sphlott....Sphlott  wipe the egg off your ignorant face. 


And just before you come abarking....here...a muzzle.






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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 12:26
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03 Aug 2015, 12:26#5

Denise I know you are too fucking stupid to comprehend the obvious......class is permanent, form temporary.......he is out of form and rightly should be demoted.......are you therefore concluding that because of this demotion, that he is no longer a class act and that he will never play for SA again?


Story goes that here in England, that if Clarke was not the Oz captain he to would have been dropped given his lack of form, same can be said of Bell who just managed to escape the chop.......do these two lack class because they are out of form......you idiot?  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 12:27
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03 Aug 2015, 12:27#6
Hey D  U  T  C   H man......nice work on the google there.......you must be sooooo proud  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2015, 14:45
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03 Aug 2015, 14:45#7

The kid's bat is too far from his pads because he throws it at the ball outside the off stump, while not moving his feet. Thus he is massively vulnerable to the ball that nips back. He needs to be seeing the ball like a spanspek to succeed. That happened for a while.....not any more it seems.

 

He also missed the stumping to lose the WC. Most high school keepers would have gobbled that up....he panicked.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 15:04
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03 Aug 2015, 15:04#8

Oh what utter crap, you have obviously never played the game......for when you have a ball thrown at you that effectively arrives at you at yorker length, the only way to get your hands on it is to swoop at it and hope for the best......its no use just getting your body in the way to stop it as that is hardly going to help with trying to run someone out.


You are 100% inaccurate with what actually happened evidencing the fact that you cannot have played the game much or at all.


As for his technique, its has very little to do with his foot work and plenty to do with his tendency to play across the ball, dragging his shots towards leg, something Smith was very pronounced in doing.


His footwork issue as the article mentions is down to the injury he had, where footwork became secondary for it obviously used to hurt when planting his foot. He was rushed back too soon for the simple reason he was held in such high regard by the selectors.


de Kock will be back and he will make your name mud....that is a certainty

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2015, 15:35
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03 Aug 2015, 15:35#9
Dave this is how you lose all credibility....he missed the stumping.....we exited the WC.  Case closed. As for making my name"mud" ....how silly. I expressed an opinion about a cricket player that happened to be prophetic. I said he would fail at the WC.....I must admit though, I never thought hi s blooper would lead directly to our exit.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Aug 2015, 15:44
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03 Aug 2015, 15:44#10
 Saffex
 
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August 03, 2015, 12:27:10

Hey D  U  T  C   H man......nice work on the google there.......you must be sooooo proud 


Nope. Not Google. I got it from someone who made your name mud a few  years ago. Those were his own words to you. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 16:07
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03 Aug 2015, 16:07#11

Nope the only credibility lost is yours as you fail to understand the art of collecting a ball in the fashion he tried to, exposing your lack of experience in that very situation.


In effect you are not best placed to comment on the missed run out opportunity for if you knew what you were talking about, you would sympathise with what he was faced with.


Get someone to throw a ball at you that effectively yorks you on the second bounce and tell me you don't understand exactly why he had a good chance of missing the ball.....added to that very scenario was the fact that the ball was thrown in on a wet surface.


Watching that incident I at no point could point fingers at de Kock having experienced that very same situation many times on a cricket field as do all that play the game.


Fact is AB's miss was far more of a cock up but its interesting that you keep ignoring this very fact......its always de Kock that is blamed which is utter rubbish.


My credibility is well intact as I have and still play the game and know exactly what de Kock was faced with......we was hindered by the stumps, the ball was thrown in inaccurately and yorked him on the entry, plus the surface was wet.....to blame de Kock for our exit based on that missed run out, while at the same time making no mention of AB's missed run out.....smacks of ignorance of the highest order.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 16:09
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03 Aug 2015, 16:09#12

Oh wow D  U  T  C  H man you really are special......did you have that saved somewhere......struggling to occupy yourself in your retirement?


No-one will EVER make my name mud..... simply because I know best 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Aug 2015, 16:16
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03 Aug 2015, 16:16#13
 Hahahahahaha. OK. I will leave you to enjoy your lunacy on your own.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 16:31
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03 Aug 2015, 16:31#14
Big word for you.....well done  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Aug 2015, 16:47
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03 Aug 2015, 16:47#15
 Nope. That is a sub one standard word. I was in an A F R I K A A N S medium school, remember? That is why most of us Boertjies can speak and understand English while a lot of you Rooinekke could net get past the basics of A F R I K A A N S. Not even in twelve years of school.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 16:58
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03 Aug 2015, 16:58#16

Wrong I had your taal rammed down my throat for 2 years in the army......what a bloody waste of time that was......I was a real boer by the time I left.


Had to have AFR as one of my law subjects, took it in my first year having come out the Army, given how fresh it was and creamed a distinction for it.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2015, 17:36
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03 Aug 2015, 17:36#17
Yorkshire  you on a second bounce.....hahaha.....what a joke. The JJ of keepers. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2015, 18:19
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03 Aug 2015, 18:19#18

Moz its evident you have played very little cricket in your time.....you are about as accurate as you were with blaming JJ for the Barrett miss.


Its best to not pass comment when you lack experience.....failing which you just look like a fool

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2015, 20:08
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03 Aug 2015, 20:08#19
I played plenty of cricket Sapp.....and I know wicket  keepers are supposed to catch the ball and take off the bails....and so do all the other critics who pointed out the error.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
04 Aug 2015, 00:41
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04 Aug 2015, 00:41#20
Dave, for the sake of clarity...what in your words is " a class act"? There, simple as....no growling and barking...just answer the question.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
04 Aug 2015, 01:32
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04 Aug 2015, 01:32#21
 Defending JJ again? The JJ who couldn't stop a Barrett who ran into his arms?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 08:54
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04 Aug 2015, 08:54#22
Moz the only cricket yoy will have played is in the back garden judging by your ignorant comments....I know a non cricketer when I hear one.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 10:37
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04 Aug 2015, 10:37#23
Denise, the definition of a class act is you running away from your oppressors......run rabbit, run rabbit, run, run, run   
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
04 Aug 2015, 11:16
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04 Aug 2015, 11:16#24
 "I know a non cricketer when I hear one."....my thoughts exactly....kinda wipes you!

So Fatboy, balding Fatboy.....having difficulty explaining "a class act" Huh? Never thought you could....it's just a pickup line from wayback Huh? Makes you feel smart doesn't it? Well you can try and impress some but you won't fool all, 'cause most of us know your class acts' turn out to be comedy acts.

Tell me how's JJ going Hmmm? ...and Hougaard?...and Wynand Olivier....and Serfontein.

But here's the Kicker from his royal arrogance.."No-one will EVER make my name mud.....simply because I know best."
Kinda sums you up Balding Boy....Delusional, ignorant and arrogant.
GGRRRR..WOOF ...WOOF...GGRRRR





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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 11:26
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04 Aug 2015, 11:26#25
Run rabbit, run rabbit, run, run, run  
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
04 Aug 2015, 11:33
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04 Aug 2015, 11:33#26
GGRRRR WOOF  WOOF GRRRRRR
 Is that your best?...Wow!...another Class Act.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 11:51
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04 Aug 2015, 11:51#27
 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
04 Aug 2015, 12:09
#28
04 Aug 2015, 12:09#28
How boring, shame Balding boy....surely you can do better.

C'mon, tell us in your own words what exactly is a "class Act"
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 12:37
#29
04 Aug 2015, 12:37#29

Here you go Denise


........the definition of a class act is you running away from your oppressors......pure class



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2015, 15:22
#30
04 Aug 2015, 15:22#30
And you stayed to fight the good fight? So Dave you have made these accusations before.....produce your evidence.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
04 Aug 2015, 15:36
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04 Aug 2015, 15:36#31
 This will be interesting.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 16:04
#32
04 Aug 2015, 16:04#32

Word of mouth old man


As for staying to fight the good fight, who said I had a fight to fight?  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2015, 17:50
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04 Aug 2015, 17:50#33
Gossip.....but from whom Dave. Name your sources.  
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
04 Aug 2015, 17:59
#34
04 Aug 2015, 17:59#34
 Maybe he too has those connections ala Michael. Lol!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 18:16
#35
04 Aug 2015, 18:16#35

Geez Moz its so many years ago and was thrown about the rugby sites back in the days for all to see......its sticks and I don't give a toss about the sources etc.


Denise is a first class twat, who needs to keep running like a rabbit.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2015, 21:21
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04 Aug 2015, 21:21#36
Dave seriously....this is pretty feeble. Denny is a first class bloke.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2015, 22:48
#37
04 Aug 2015, 22:48#37
 Disagree he is a prick
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
05 Aug 2015, 11:48
#38
05 Aug 2015, 11:48#38
 Say Bleskop.....what's happened to "Fact"? I see you've replaced  "Fact" with gossip! Anyway, I'm chuffed being James Bond OOM!           
Go figure.






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CeradynePro9,374 posts
05 Aug 2015, 12:47
#39
05 Aug 2015, 12:47#39
 Back to QDK. 
Not too long ago we were being told that QDK is qay ahead of Graeme Smith at the corresponding stage of his career. This is the QDK that was under discussion:
De Kock needs time away – Domingo

Back in March, during the World Cup, Quinton de Kock was, according to the national team’s coach Russell Domingo, in need of some love and care. Fast-forward five months and a big stick is being wielded in an attempt to beat De Kock back into form.

Dropped fr om the starting team for last week’s weather curtailed second Test against Bangladesh in Dhaka, De Kock is also out of the limited overs teams for the T20 and One-Day Internationals against New Zealand this month. In his place is 36-year-old Morné van Wyk, a move Domingo admitted yesterday was a stop-gap. [This is, IMO, a BS move.]

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Aug 2015, 12:49
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05 Aug 2015, 12:49#40
Run rabbit, run rabbit, run, run, run......be sure to take cover when the oppressors are near  
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