DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Jul 2015, 23:20#2
Beenz the tacle stats are technologically wrong. Those are the attempted tackles and the missed tackles are not figured in.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jul 2015, 00:23#3
Draad
In principle I agree with you and that the stats are meaningless. A player like De Allende had 21 tackle attempts of which statistically he missed 6. That is too high a missed tackle ratio - so he has to correct that. On the other hand the problem is that such a player is probably trying to make "impossible" tackles, since they are over-active. Let me explain a passive player may make 4 tackles missing none and he would be graded better statistically than a player like De Allende, since his performance in itself is misleading, but statistically better.
The second problem with the stats provided does not indicate the quality of tackles made. Mozart tries to deal with that issue by coining a term "process tackles" Unfortunately he used that description not to identify the quality of tackles - but to discredit players he does not like. The term should be used to determine the quality of tackles - not for any other purpose. Some players makes substantial numbers of weak tackles in games without any real benefit for the teams they play for since the quality of some of the tackles were counter-productive and even to the detriment of the team concerned.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jul 2015, 04:31#4
Allende is capable of being a reliable defender. Unlike JJ he is comfortable with heavy contact. His problem is alignment...not being slightly inside his target, he is often beaten by a step. But more crucially test centre defence is about timing.....bringing up the line to cut down space and time.
In the last tackle Allende missed on Kuridrani he sensed the need to bring up the line, but alignment was woeful and he missed THE crucial tackle of the test. He obviously never learned from the Stormers QF where Kuridrani also shook off his high tackle.
I think this can be fixed, but to deny the issue is naive .
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jul 2015, 05:24#5
The real problem with De Allende is that he misses tackles basically when he comes from the side to tackle players. This happened in both cases referred to by Mozart above. Those are the easiest tackles for a ball carrier to get out of - they only have to move slightly further out while the tackle is being attempted and the miss tackle can result. On Saturday three of the missed tackles were when he came from the side to attempt the tackle.
Another problem with De Allende's missed tackles is when a player is tackled low he goes down - but De Allende does not hang onto his feet when the opponent is on the ground and technically he could get up and carry the ball further - it did not happen on Saturday because the tackled player was already surrounded by other defenders defenders when he was down, but it could have happened. On Saturday that accounted for 3 of the six missed tackles of De Allende.
De Allende does not miss head-to-head tackles as alleged by Disaster. Virtually all misses are as stated when he endeavours to tackle players other than those running straight at him and on Saturday three of the misses were not on players he lined up to face in defense - but players running different attacking lines. That is why he missed Kuridrani in both cases Mozart refers to and why he missed all three tackles I described in the second paragraph. What is clear is that all his misses are on players other than the opposition 12 and are basically the result of not timing the tackles correctly or trying to attempt extremely difficult to make tackles. His missed tackle "image" is really the result of him trying to make tackles that would not have been attempted by most other players and basically due to the fact that other players did not attempt to make reasonable tackles and De Jongh-like leave the defense to him or other players to correct.
Mozart's alignment issue is not what is the problem - there is very little wrong with his defense alignment and he is talking rubbish in this case. If the alignment was a problem the misses would have been on his direct opponent or on players he is actually lined up to defend against - not on the players he is not lined up to defend against in the first instance.
Experience would correct that problem and advice from a good defense coach could help in that case.
