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South African coaches not cutting it

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Apr 2015, 20:16
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06 Apr 2015, 20:16#1

Ryan Vrede echoes my comments re the top Sa coaches not coaching. This is the daftest situation ever!

The standard of coaching at the South African Vodacom Super Rugby franchises is a grave concern, writes RYAN VREDE.

Watching the Sharks, Stormers, Cheetahs and Bulls this past weekend was a painful experience. Indeed it has been for the majority of the campaign.

The results, in my view, are a by-product of average coaching. Certainly it would be remiss not to heap some blame on the players but, with the exception of the Lions, there has been very little to suggest the coaches have the level of competence to positively affect the outcome for their respective teams.  

It pains to see inferior players from the Australasian franchises trump superior South African players because the former are better coached. Decision-making under pressure, spacial awareness, tactical awareness and core skills are things that are refined through good coaching. South African players, with a large proportion of those being Springboks, have shown up poorly in these departments this season. 

It's a problem that dates back to the start of the professional era in this country and it's disturbing that 20 years into professionalism we've made so little progress in our elite coaching ranks. I've maintained through my writing over the years that South African players have the capacity to learn high-level skills (technical and tactical) if taught by an elite coach. One only needs to see the impact Eddie Jones made on the Springboks' attacking game at the World Cup in 2007 as proof of that. Closer to home, Jake White improved the Sharks markedly in key performance areas last season. There seems to be no promise of such improvements on the horizon for the four teams I've listed. (You cant blame Naka he has his best talent raided regualry and does a great job given that fact!

Outside of that group, I've been very impressed with what Johan Ackermann has done with the Lions this season. He is a gifted coach whose side has benefited from his level of competence (He or his assistants). The converse is true for the other local Super Rugby franchises.

The South African Super Rugby challenge has suffered partly because the country's best coaches are not in head coaching positions. Nick Mallett works as a TV analyst, Rassie Erasmus is employed by the South African Rugby Union, White is consulting, while Brendan Venter drifts between Saracens and the Sharks in a overseeing capacity. These men would transform any side they coached.(AGREED)

Instead we're left with coaches on the next tier of competence.     

The Sharks' humiliation at home against the Crusaders came off the back of their worst performance in the tournament's history. Director of rugby Gary Gold issued an apology on Twitter and vowed to improve going forward (oF COURSE THE DELUSIONAL KBBS GIVE THE HAPLESS CRUSTIES - BEATEN BY THE BULLE ALL THE CREDIT AND FAIL TO SEE THE sHARKS WERE IN TOTAL DISARRAY!!!). It was a shrewd PR move (even if it was unintended to be that), with a fair number of responders adopting a sympathetic position. These people are content with mediocrity and have little inclination to hold their coach accountable. (WELL I DOUBT GOLD WOULD HAVE GOT IN BOTHA, WENTZEL AND FAT STEVENS ETC)

Just like a large portion of the Stormers' support base. The Cape side have won just one of their last 10 tour matches, the latest failure on the road coming against the Hurricanes on Saturday. Yet the focus since then hasn't been about their woeful first-half performance but rather about poor officiating (cORRECT AHS THE RIGHT DECISION WOULD HAVE MENT A COMFORTABLE WIN DESPITE ANY SHORTCOMINGS) . It seems most have scratched the defeat from the record on the basis that the referee had a bad day. What utter nonsense.   

I wrote earlier in the season that Alistair Coetzee's impending departure was a good thing for the franchise. I argued the team has regressed and stagnated under his leadership. I said they desperately need a coach of greater quality (WELL SAID RYAN). When they started the tournament strongly I received plenty of abuse for the aforementioned assertions (tHEY STARTED WELL BECAUSE THE PACK WAS INTACT. THEY DROPPED OFF IMMEDIATELY ELSTADT AND RHODES WERE INJURED). I'd like to think my position has been vindicated. 

Both the Stormers and Sharks have looked like poorly coached sides in recent weeks. There have been clear and fundamental errors in their game plan and selections. Those weren't always exposed and exploited by the opposition in the tournament's infancy, but have subsequently been. The Stormers, when bossing territory and ticking the scoreboard over through penalties, are a hard side to beat. But get two converted scores in front of them and you are virtually assured victory given their chronic attacking impotence. I've written that particular line countless times since 2011. There has been no improvement through coaching and there won't be. Coetzee and his assistants are incapable of remedying this deficiency. (COETZEE MADE TWO FUNDAMENTAL ERRORS. WENT COMPLETLEY DEFENSIVE AND THEN NEVER APRECIATED THE SIZE FACTOR AS IT EFFECTED HIS ABCKS AND LOOSE FORWARDS. HE HAS TRIED TO CORRECT THE ATACK ISSUE BUT HIS SELCTIOSN REMAINED ABSURD)

Gold has inherited an excellent squad from his predecessor, White, yet has somehow managed to make a mud cake from the finest ingredients. The Sharks have won half their matches. They sit in sixth position and still have to tour. Their prospects look bleak unless Gold can somehow take his men to a consistent level of performance that better reflects the calibre of player he has available to him.(gOLD IF ALL HIS PLAYERS ARE AVAILABLE AHS A GOOD SQUAD BUT DONT TELL ME THE ABSENCE OF HSI THREE FRONT LINE OCKS, ALBERTS AND bISSIE MADE NO DIFFERENCE TO THE SHARKS ON SATURDAY. EVEN PALYERS LIKE  FRANS AND JP SHOULD HAVE AT THE VERY LEAST BEEN ON THE BENCH.tHAT IS OF HUGE SIGNIFCANCE)

Certainly he was missing some key players for Saturday's fixture, but that cannot mitigate taking 50 at home (hOW EXACTLY DO OYU KNOW THE EXACT EFFECT OF ALL THESE PALYERS NOT BEING ON THE FIELD?) to an average Crusaders side who at one stage were reduced to 12 players. Gold needs to show he has the skills to be a successful head coach at this level. Success at the Sharks, given their resources, must be defined as securing a home semi-final. Anything less than that would constitute failure

I've written before about the Bulls' plight. They've lost a clutch of senior players in two separate exoduses (2011 and 2013). Their form has been patchy but they are the best placed South African franchise in terms of contesting a semi-final spot. Defeat against the Lions dented their ambition but is unlikely to leave a mortal wound. Still it was frustrating to see them stumble through the derby, once again exhibiting a worrying degree of tactical inflexibility. They will argue they have found a tactical system that works for them when executed correctly. The problem is elite opponents have often blunted them tactically, at which point they've looked devoid of a telling rebuttal.

With all this said, it's important to celebrate Ackermann and his team. He has taken a group of largely average players and made them very hard to beat. Their three wins on tour was an incredible feat and set them up to challenge for a play-off spot. Ackermann's team's performances owes much to his ever-growing competence. If only this could be said of his peers.

SOME TRUTH AND  SOME ERROR. W E WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW GOOD THE SHARKS ARE WHEN GOLD FIELDS A FIRST TEAM


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Apr 2015, 20:41
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06 Apr 2015, 20:41#2
Beeno: even this author states:
"Just like a large portion of the Stormers' support base. The Cape side have won just one of their last 10 tour matches, the latest failure on the road coming against the Hurricanes on Saturday. Yet the focus since then hasn't been about their woeful first-half performance but rather about poor officiating."

"It seems most have scratched the defeat from the record on the basis that the referee had a bad day. What utter nonsense."
Does the faulty logic the author refers to sound familiar to you?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Apr 2015, 20:54
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06 Apr 2015, 20:54#3
 Nope read my other post the faith crises. Most journalisst know the ref denied us a win. What is hapeninhg here is they are afraid to speak out plainly or be called whingers etc. 
We were robbed blind and that is a clear FACT. Stop lieing JW it does you no credit at all.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
06 Apr 2015, 20:58
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06 Apr 2015, 20:58#4
I think our coaches can coach forwards, but that is where it ends.Our coaches have absolutely no clue about back line attack play. 
For some reason is seems most of our coaches were forwards. It would be good to see more former backline legends like Gerber and co getting involved with the backs.
We just rely on individualism from our most talented backs like Willie Le Roux and Habana. What ever these players know, it was not from our coaches.
Our backs are also bulking up at the gym and from creatine instead of skills training.The coaches should be choosing players with skills, or those that have the potential to improve.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Apr 2015, 21:00
#5
06 Apr 2015, 21:00#5
I agree Sharkbok & many are stating this in this forum & elsewhere.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2015, 21:19
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06 Apr 2015, 21:19#6
 First of all, if the ref was good, we had no excuse.  Poor reffing is a fact though, so a proper evaluation of refereeing for each game should be made public.  This should help refs to better themselves.  Second, take poor reffing as a given and be good enough for it not to matter. Stop complaining in the media and use the proper channels to get things done.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2015, 21:36
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06 Apr 2015, 21:36#7
 SB
The problem is that the coaches for years - and that included Jake White - were only interested in kicking the sh!t out of balls the forwards won for them.   The b all would go to the scrummie and he would kick - or the flyhalf and he would kick.   In the minority of cases where the ball goes past those two players - the no 12 center would crashball and the whole process would be repeated.
Otherwise expected from backline players was to defend well and that was it.  There was no need for the flyhalf to read the game and take options beneficial to teams so that went out of the backdoor too.   In the process what skills backline players have were coached out of them by our coaches.   It is to their credit that players like Le Roux and Habana did not allow the coaches to kill their games and that makes them exceptional.
Then there was the selection of backline players that went awry.  The dull and quasi- forwards with minimal ball skills were the first choice backline players.  No top rugby team in the world would select Francois Steyn as a center - as Plumtree said at the time, he is no center.   Morne Steyn was the ideal flyhalf for many - even though he was the dullest and most clueless flyhalf in the SH.  He went to Stade Francais and turned out to be a flop.
The question is - who are our backline and attack coaches?  At one stage Matfield was the attack coach of the Bulls - so what can the backlines produce under the circumstances?   Let em go further - Ackerman learned his coaching under John Mitchell and obviously understand the importance of backline play.
Ludeke, Coetzee and White are clueless about backline play and I think Gold is in the same boat.  Instead of getting in proper backline coaches and not duds and instead of coaching backline players properly - we will not get anywhere in real rugby terms.                    
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Apr 2015, 21:39
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06 Apr 2015, 21:39#8
 So when the oppsition is awarded a number tries that were not tries and we are not given tries we score and are penalised incorrectly etc we must be good enough to overcome this? How in the world Draad do you come to such a warped conclusion. Why should we have this huge handicap. What we do want is a fair deal. No we should be demanding one. Anything less will not do. Yes the odd match might possibly go wrong ref wise but all this is a lot more than that.Only SARU has any chance of winning a fair deal. I believe only the threat of moving North might cause them to stop and think. However as I said if given the opportunity we must go for the reasons given regardless of what the down under oaks do.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2015, 21:56
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06 Apr 2015, 21:56#9
 Beenz, I'm not saying we shout accept poor reffing. Instead of complaining in the media we should be actively demanding answers from the people who can actually do something about it. Some of the stuff look to be as a result of bias. If so, moaning about it won't do, either take it to a higher authority or shut up about it.  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
06 Apr 2015, 22:04
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06 Apr 2015, 22:04#10
Beeno, watch a Curry Cup game with a SA ref- and tell us the backline skills are good......Their are very few well constructed backline moves. 
Instead it looks like the players have been introduced to each other about 10 minutes before the match.
The backline looks like they are too scared to make a mistake, and not enjoying the game by pushing their limits to become more expansive



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Apr 2015, 22:19
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06 Apr 2015, 22:19#11
All our coaches are piss poor, none more so than our national coach.
Our best coach is Ackerman and that in itself says al ot.
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