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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:31
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27 Jun 2015, 14:31#1
Eight uncapped players in extended Springbok squadJune 27, 2015The selection of eight uncapped players and the return of a further six are the features of the Springbok squad named on Saturday for the five matches leading up to the Rugby World Cup later this season.

In addition to the 36 squad members, the national selectors have identified 13 players who are currently injured or will be in rehabilitation, but will form part of an extended squad for the matches against the World XV, Castle Lager Rugby Championship and the Test against Argentina in Buenos Aires.

The uncapped players in the squad are Scarra Ntubeni, Steven Kitshoff, Vincent Koch, Rudy Paige, Faf de Klerk, Jesse Kriel, Franco Mostert and Lionel Mapoe.

Back in the Springbok fold after not featuring in any Springbok Tests last year, are Elton Jantjies, Frans Steyn, Jaque Fourie, Heinrich Brüssow, Pieter-Steph du Toit and Heinke van der Merwe.

The currently injured players included in the squad are Springbok captain Jean de Villiers, Mapoe, Brüssow, Du Toit, Steyn, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lood de Jager, Duane Vermeulen, Cobus Reinach, Pat Lambie, Jaque Fourie, Jan Serfontein and Fourie du Preez. The latter suffered a knee injury while training with his Japanese club earlier this week.

“It’s a long list of injured players but all of them are in the selection frame and we’d like to work with them to assist with their rehabilitation,” said Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.

“Some of them are close to full fitness and they will start training as soon as possible. We’ll assess and manage all the injured players individually with their return to play in mind and will do what is the best for the player and the team, even if it means that some of them play for their clubs or provinces if deemed necessary by our medical team and in consultation with their unions.

“Coenie Oosthuizen has been selected, but he has a neck injury which will rule him out of joining the squad immediately. We will wait for medical clarity to ensure we do what is best for Coenie before a decision is made on the way forward.

“Even though Jaque Fourie announced that he had retired from Test rugby late last year, we have had positive talks with him and his club, Kobe in Japan, and an agreement was reached that he will be available for one last season of Test rugby. As soon as he’s back to full fitness, we’ll consider him for selection.

“Jean de Villiers’ rehabilitation is going very well but his return to play will be strictly monitored before an announcement in this regard is made.”

Ntubeni (hooker), Paige (scrumhalf) and Mapoe (outside back) have been part of Springbok tour squads before, but this will be the first involvement at international level for De Klerk (scrumhalf), as well as Mostert (lock), Kitshoff and Koch (both props).

Meyer added that Vodacom Super Rugby form weighed heavily and as always there were a number of players who were desperately close to selection, but just missed out in the end.

“This is testament to the great depth we’ve managed to build in most positions over the last few years. It’s good to know we have players outside this squad who will be able to slot in should it be necessary,” said the Springbok coach.

“Scarra has been with us before and he has done a great job specifically in the scrums with Vincent, Steven and Frans Malherbe for the DHL Stormers this year.

“Lionel, Franco, Faf and Elton have been part of the ever-improving Emirates Lions, while Rudy and Jesse grabbed their opportunities for the Vodacom Bulls this season.

Meyer added that he was pleased to have Van der Merwe, Du Toit, Brüssow, Steyn and Fourie back with the Springboks.

“They are players with international experience and we know what they can do. It will be great to welcome them back into the Springbok fold and I know they will add value,” said the Springbok coach.

“It was great to see players such as Morné, Heinke, Bryan, Schalk Brits and Francois play in and win finals with their clubs in Europe.”

“We also talked to Andries Bekker as we wanted to consider him for selection, but upon a request from his club in Japan he was ultimately not picked for the squad at this stage. Hopefully he will be available at a later stage during the season.

“Flip van der Merwe was on our radar but ultimately he has decided to rule himself out of Springbok contention.”

Meyer said that he didn’t want to go into the 2015 Test season without exploring all options available to the Springboks.

“We will be guided by our medical team and specialists to ensure no stone is left unturned as we manage the injured players’ return to play. The players who have been included in the squad because of injuries to others must use this opportunity to break down the door to ensure they remain part of the squad as we look forward to the World Cup.

“As certain players regain fitness, others will be sent back to their provinces, but that doesn’t mean they are out of our thinking completely as the door to World Cup selection will never be fully closed. We talked to every player we thought could add value and considered every option available to us.

“The next five matches, before we finalise the squad for the Rugby World Cup, will be very important as we want to ensure the right 31 players are on the plane to England on September 11.

“We have done a lot of planning and research and are well-prepared for the season. We’ll use the matches against the World XV, Australia, New Zealand and Argentina to fine tune where necessary, but the next two months also provide the players with an opportunity to put themselves in contention to make the World Cup squad.”

The Springbok squad is (in alphabetical order):

Willem Alberts (Cell C Sharks), Loose forward, 32 Test caps
Schalk Brits (Saracens, England), Hooker, 7
Schalk Burger (DHL Stormers / Suntory, Japan), Loose forward, 75
Marcell Coetzee (Cell C Sharks), Loose forward, 26
Damian De Allende (DHL Stormers), Centre, 3
Faf de Klerk (Emirates Lions / Steval Pumas), Scrumhalf, 0
Bismarck du Plessis (Cell C Sharks), Hooker, 70
Jannie du Plessis (Cell C Sharks), Prop, 62
Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers), Lock, 33
Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions), Flyhalf, 2
Bryan Habana (Toulon, France), Wing, 106
Cornal Hendricks (Toyota Cheetahs), Wing, 11
Zane Kirchner (Leinster, Ireland), Wing / Fullback, 29 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers), Prop, 0
Vincent Koch (DHL Stormers / Steval Pumas), Prop, 0
Siya Kolisi (DHL Stormers), Loose forward, 10
Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Bulls), Fullback, 0
Willie le Roux (Toyota Cheetahs), Fullback / Wing, 25
Francois Louw (Bath, England), Loose forward, 34
Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers), Prop, 4
Victor Matfield (Vodacom Bulls), Lock, 121
Teboho “Oupa” Mohoje (Toyota Cheetahs), Loose forward, 7
Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions), Lock, 0
Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks), Prop, 64
Lwazi Mvovo (Cell C Sharks), Wing, 10
Scarra Ntubeni (DHL Stormers), Hooker, 0
Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls), Prop, 13
Rudy Paige (Vodacom Bulls), Scrumhalf, 0
Ruan Pienaar (Ulster, N Ireland), Scrumhalf, 80
JP Pietersen (Cell C Sharks), Centre / Wing, 59
Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls), Flyhalf, 9
Morné Steyn (Stade Francais, France), Flyhalf, 59
Adriaan Strauss (Vodacom Bulls), Hooker, 44
Heinke van der Merwe (Stade Francais, France), Prop, 4
Marcel van der Merwe (Vodacom Bulls), Prop, 4
Warren Whiteley (Emirates Lions), Loose forward, 2

Injured / Conditioning squad:

Heinrich Brüssow (Toyota Cheetahs / Docomo, Japan), Loose forward, 20
Lood de Jager (Toyota Cheetahs), Lock, 9
Jean de Villiers (DHL Stormers), Centre, 106
Fourie du Preez (Suntory, Japan), Scrumhalf, 70
Pieter-Steph du Toit (Cell C Sharks), Lock, 2
Jaque Fourie (Kobe, Japan), Centre, 72
Patrick Lambie (Cell C Sharks), Flyhalf / Fullback, 40
Lionel Mapoe (Emirates Lions), Centre, 0
Coenie Oosthuizen (Toyota Cheetahs), Prop, 21
Cobus Reinach (Cell C Sharks), Scrumhalf, 6
Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Bulls), Centre, 20
Frans Steyn (Cell C Sharks), Centre, 53
Duane Vermeulen (DHL Sto rmers), No 8, 29

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:39
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27 Jun 2015, 14:39#2

Who did they leave out? Forty nine players....incredible. Senatla looks like the one disappointment. A bunch of dead wood in there.

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:40
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27 Jun 2015, 14:40#3
Where is Hougaard?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:42
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27 Jun 2015, 14:42#4
Oops if Hougie isnt there Sapp might finally pop his plumbing.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:45
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27 Jun 2015, 14:45#5
No Vorster...no Jacques du Plessis?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:47
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27 Jun 2015, 14:47#6
Where is Quince Roux?
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:49
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27 Jun 2015, 14:49#7
 Hougaard deserves to be there, he's been terrific at wing and his combination with Kriel is the one saving grace for the Bulls. Jaco Kriel can feel very hard done by, he's been the best South African looseforward this year in Super Rugby. 
The RWC has come too early for Vorster, he'll be in the national team next year if he keeps his playing levels up. 
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:50
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27 Jun 2015, 14:50#8

Right, now give these players to Johan Ackerman and he will bring back not only the RC trophy, but also the 2015 RWC title.

(He would off course include Jako Kriel whose omission by Meyer is a joke in bad taste). 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:54
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27 Jun 2015, 14:54#9

Hougaard must have some other issue....it's not like HM to drop an experienced player like that. As for his being terrific, he started out that way but his form in the last three or four weeks was poor. With Paige, F du Preez, Raainacht and Pienaar it seems Hougaard is no longer in the scrumhalf mix.

 

 

BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:56
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27 Jun 2015, 14:56#10
 Hougaard at wing would have been the only backline player to bring down players like Savea or Ndolo in full speed.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
27 Jun 2015, 14:59
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27 Jun 2015, 14:59#11
His last match against the Cheetahs he was superb, he was the only backline player to keep his credibility on tour with the Bulls suddenly forgetting that they can play with wingers in New Zealand and Australia.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 15:01
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27 Jun 2015, 15:01#12

It seems Sapp managed to pick 19 players who never even made it to the 49 man squad.....I guess he is not on the same page as HM. 

 

 

 

 PSDT, Coenie, Lambie, Lood, Brussouw, Reinach, Frans Steyn / Elstadt


Fullbacks: Willie / Jessie Kriel


Wings: JP / Habana / Sithole / Senatla / v/Wyk / Combrink / Kolbe


Centres: de Allende / Vorster / Serfontein / Frans Venter / Odendaal / Mapoe


Flyhalves: Jantjies / Goosen / Pollard


Scrumhalves: Hougaard / Faf / Groom


Props: Beast / Marcel v/d Merwe / Kitshoff / Nyakane / Koch / Malherbe / Jannie


Hookers: Bismark / Strauss


Locks: Etzebeth / Willemse / Jacques du Plessis / Ruan Botha


Loosies: Vermeulen / Arno Botha / CJ Stander / Kriel / Kolisi / Carr / Coetzee / Schalk


 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jun 2015, 15:04
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27 Jun 2015, 15:04#13
 Mozart you are right - there is a lot of dead wood in the team.   The players included who are dead wood are -
Willem Alberts, Schalk Brits,  Jannie du Plessis, Zane Kirchner, Victor Matfield, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Morné Steyn, Heinke van der Merwe, Frans Steyn
Then there are also the regularly injured Japanese Club Players whose injuries stem from not being match-fit - Fourie du Preez and Jacque Fourie.   
Then we have the players with serious performance deficiencies, namely -
Elton Jantjies, Cornal Hendricks, Lwazi Mvovo, Scarra Ntubeni, Rudy Paige,  

All in all an absolutely BS squad selected without regard to performance.   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 15:09
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27 Jun 2015, 15:09#14
WHougaard0/000/8/5311121 7/40/010/0WHougaard0/000/12/7171002 5/20/000/0WHougaard0/002/5/5370100 5/10/000/0WHougaard0/003/1/4140000 6/30/000/0

 

 

That's Hougaard for the Bools tour. Two decent games on attack and two horror shows on defence. For those four games he made less than 70% of his tackles.

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
27 Jun 2015, 15:15
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27 Jun 2015, 15:15#15
 He's proven as an excellent defender, those games are anomalies. Also tackling stats miss copious amounts of context that makes any judgement on a players defence unreliable and inaccurate. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 15:23
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27 Jun 2015, 15:23#16

Fair enough. All I was trying to point out is his form has dipped. I agree in the past he has made some big tackles and his omission is very surprising.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
27 Jun 2015, 15:29
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27 Jun 2015, 15:29#17
 Hey  is that Oupa Versfeld I see in there ? 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,284 posts
27 Jun 2015, 17:06
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27 Jun 2015, 17:06#18
No Hougie, No Senatala, No Kolbe and no Spoes. 
The ommision of Kolbe is surely a mistake
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,284 posts
27 Jun 2015, 17:20
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27 Jun 2015, 17:20#19
The selections I disagree with most-

Willem Alberts - Contentious- as he has not shown form in years.


Schalk Brits - Pathetic. He is no where near Bok level. A washed up hasbeen that has been proven as a weak scrumager and unable to contribute to tight phase play at all. He should have been a backline player. 



Zane Kirchner - Surely Kolbe is a much better option. Or Senatala even is a better option. Kircher is currently playing on the wing for Leister.


Siya Kolisi - average player. 

Decent at SuperXV - will never be a test standard loosie. He is a small number 7 playing on the openside flank. Makes zero contribution to ball recovery. A quota.


Teboho “Oupa” Mohoje - another strategic transformation selection.

Morné Steyn - Contentious seeing as he is not even a first choice at his club without injuries. His club has won- which might count in his favour. 


Heinke van der Merwe - Does he still play rugby?


Marcel van der Merwe - useless. Another clone of Werner Kruger. 



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2015, 17:28
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27 Jun 2015, 17:28#20

But Morne and Alberts have been very effective test players....Morne once again key in winning up north. All the rest....Brits, Mohoje, both van der Merwe props, Kirchner are never has beens.

 

Look there is a lot of politics in this list, players like Jantjies who have been included but who HM will never use....proven chokers.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Jun 2015, 10:08
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28 Jun 2015, 10:08#21
 Where is Willemse , Jaque Du Plessis and Kriel? Where are Vorster, Odendaal Van Wyk. Dome shocking selection and on top of that racist quota picks. My confidence in Meyer takes anither knock.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Jun 2015, 10:16
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28 Jun 2015, 10:16#22
No doubt newbie vidacom cup coach Ricardo Loubcher will continue as backline ciacg as well. Franklt if this is our approach to the game we dint deseve anything. Its a shambles.
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 Jun 2015, 12:04
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28 Jun 2015, 12:04#23
I will say this, Hougaard is superior to Reinach in pretty much every way. Reinach is just a man who can run fast. he Poms targeted him and Lambie and profited in every instance with only one exception (thanks mainly to Willie). Field them again and it's an early trip home.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
28 Jun 2015, 15:05
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28 Jun 2015, 15:05#24
 I've got to dot to admit I've gone off Reinach, I'd much rather blood Faf this close to the RWC and have him as my second choice than Reinach after his season's worth of test rugby experience. 
I'm still waiting to find out why Hougaard was left out, JP has disgusted me with his work rate this year and IMO he's the worst selection. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2015, 15:47
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28 Jun 2015, 15:47#25
 Mozart
When was Morne and Alberts effective test players?    Morne last year was sh!t poor in the tests he played in and Alberts have not had a decent test or Super 15 game in three years.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2015, 15:55
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28 Jun 2015, 15:55#26

Wrong Morne guided us to a late win in Bargieland with a superb pass to set up the Hendricks try and crucial kicks.....when we looked likely losers.

 

7331 - 30

Bosch slots a long-range penalty and Argentina have a one-point lead

7631 - 33

Steyn punishes the Pumas with a well-struck penalty and the Boks have their two-point lead back

80

And that's it. A massive opportunity for the Pumas to make history has slipped through their fingers but credit to the Boks who weren't at their best but they got the key win

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2015, 16:33
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28 Jun 2015, 16:33#27
 Minute 77 - the Argentinians kicked in the ball from the halfline - caught and maul formed.  The ball went to Steyn when he was halfway between the halfway line and Springboks 22 and he kicked it directly into touch.   Line out formed from the point opposite from where the kicked into touch was made.
Argentinians get possession of the ball and start attacking - by a miracle there was no penalty given away or drop kick attempted.   Steyn was clueless and tried desperately to lose the game for the Springboks.   You refuse to recognise that piece of BS by Steyn and that is normal with you.      
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 Jun 2015, 17:57
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28 Jun 2015, 17:57#28
Michael is a liar (redundant statement). He also fell in line with Rooi's gaff on the Timani try, which highlighted a lack of understanding on what type of pass was used, defensive assignments and the running lines of the two attackers. If you can't point out a cut pass then you are inevitably going to lose these exchanges when speaking of pep level rugby? These are very basic things, but the self-proclaimed genius wants to talk attacking backplay! Learn to walk before you try to run Michael. For your own sake, lying doesn't make it any better for you.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2015, 21:08
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28 Jun 2015, 21:08#29
Er Rokkie my statement comes directly from the ESPN match report....check it out while you are eating your crow.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2015, 22:34
#30
28 Jun 2015, 22:34#30
 That kick directly into touch was Morne's major contribution to the game.  He was piss-poor in making that kick.   
Desert Disaster
I do not take kindly to your comments about me being lying about that kick.  It is a fact and if you say it did not happen - then you are the liar in this case.  Morne nearly cost the Springboks that test - as he successfully did in the Perth test.  That last try of the Wallabies stemmed directly from a f#ck-up of Morne.
It is amazing how the two dolts on this site refuses to see what Morne really produced.  That makes you the most idiotic members of this site.  
 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jun 2015, 23:20
#31
29 Jun 2015, 23:20#31

No Morne saved the test by making a high pressure penalty and finding a way to free up Hendricks for a try.

 

 

And you are a liar......it's your MO. I don't give a stuff what you appreciate Tokkie.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2015, 00:35
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30 Jun 2015, 00:35#32
 Mozart
So the piss-poor Morne never kicked that ball directly into touch and put the Springboks under serious pressure in the Argentine test?   If you said that did not happen then you are the biggest liar ever on this site.  
Just as an aside - that penalty kick Morne made in that test was easy compared to the penalty conversion in the Ellis Park test by Lambie.  Morne gets credit for converting an easy penalty kick 90% of half-decent flyhalfs would convert - Lambie given no credit for converting a 55 meter penalty at Ellis Park.  That is Mozart - the most prejudiced member ever on this site.       
 
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