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Still looking for Jannie's replacement.

Started by Mozart17 REPLIES519 VIEWS· 23 Jul 2015, 15:17
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jul 2015, 15:17
#1
23 Jul 2015, 15:17#1

Even with a huge head clash Jannie was a lot better than Malherbe last week. When I called Jannie the national treasure two years ago, because he was our only test proven tighthead prop, Tokkie howled into the night. But here we are and Jannie is still our only test proven tighthead.

 

Still the man is getting on and it would be nice to find replacement like Coenie who is better in general play.....so who are the candidates. All of these by the way have at some time got the Saffex seal of approval.

 

 

* Werner Kruger....no longer supported, even by Dave

 

 

* Coenie.....when I warned no prop could survive with a compromised neck, I was right. Nor was he ever a good scrummager.

 

 

* Marcel van der Merwe.....his style of coming up in almost every scrum and then driving forward belly first has led to a bunch of penalties if not belly (excuse the pun) laughs.

 

 

* Malherbe, alliterative cousin of Marcel but with the opposite tendencies....dive, dive, dive.....is the issue here. Malherbe is very stretched out and tends to go down. A powerful chap he delivered some good scrumming performances for the Stormers....but last week he was owned by Sio. So this week he is gone.

 

 

* Koch.....technically the best tighthead candidate. He takes the pressure, doesn' t fudge by scrumming in, up or down. But he has cracked a few times under pressure in the S15. I hope he shows well on Saturday but there is a measure of doubt.

 

 

Which leaves Jannie, still for the moment the national treasure.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jul 2015, 15:32
#2
23 Jul 2015, 15:32#2
 Mozart
Jannie left the field on Saturday in the first half last Saturday and the scrum that followed was a vast improvement on what Jannie produced up to that stage.  That is a fact that you wished to ignore.   
Jannie was replaced in the second half and still no negative impact on the scrumming was in evidence until Beast and Bismarck was replaced by Van der Merwe and Strauss.  After that the scrumming went pear-shaped and you got it into your besotted head that Malherbe was the problem in the scrum.  All indications were that the problem was on the other side of the scrum - but you claimed otherwise despite video evidence to the contrary - the latter being supported by stats as well.   Your comments were pathetic and that is a fact.
Jannie had a better game last week after being pathetic all year long.   So if you want to claim that one swallow makes a summer - you are welcome to your national treasure.   We will see what happens over the enct two weeks - and hope we do nto see a repeat of his pathetic performance against Argentina last year.
Your re[peat of lies like diving is pathetic - you have been quoting that for two years and from the first time you fabricated the story in the Welsh test in 2013 it was based on a lie.  This was pointed out to you time and again and you kept repeating the lie all the time.       
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jul 2015, 15:44
#3
23 Jul 2015, 15:44#3
Earth to Tokkie.....Malherbe was dropped, I repeat Malherbe was dropped....over.  
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
23 Jul 2015, 15:50
#4
23 Jul 2015, 15:50#4
Michael doesn't understand the value of players. To be honest, he would be best served joining a fantasy rugby forum. It's exactly what he is looking for.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jul 2015, 16:10
#5
23 Jul 2015, 16:10#5
Hold on, hold on, there's bound to be a scoop from Bosman's mother.  
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
23 Jul 2015, 16:13
#6
23 Jul 2015, 16:13#6
"So if you want to claim that one swallow makes a Summer - you are welcome to your national treasure."
You mean like Lambie's only dominant tackle in six years? What a time to make said tackle. Not a man for the big occasion. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jul 2015, 16:51
#7
23 Jul 2015, 16:51#7
 Disaster
Is Lambie now a Tighthead prop - this being what is discussed here - doos?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Jul 2015, 18:36
#8
23 Jul 2015, 18:36#8
Well last I checked Malherbe was better than Jannie when he replaced him - check.
Last year when Marcel took to the field he destroyed the Kiwi's something Jannie has never done - check.
Enter Coenie pre his injury and he stood as firm as can be at test level - check
We have already seen what Koch has to offer and he to is better than Jannie - check.
I reckon Nyakane at 3 is a better option than Jannie - check
So I make that a choice of 5 who are better than Jannie these days.
Jannie at best is solid these days.....these 5 younger options are all far better. Find two from the 5 to invest in and stick with them.
As will all the positions on the park we have options to burn....we have far better youngsters who should be playing.
Had these youngsters been selected we would have beaten Oz with ease and we would beat the AB s at home.
Instead we have Meyer and his geriatric side with no direction  given the clueless clown has no idea how to play winning rugby.
What it is to be so closed to the options out there....so ignorant to our talent.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
23 Jul 2015, 18:47
#9
23 Jul 2015, 18:47#9
 
Actually, most tightheads in this year's super rugby season would improve on anything Jannie does.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2015, 01:36
#10
24 Jul 2015, 01:36#10
Check what Dave, your sanity.....earth to Dave.....Malherbe was dropped, Coenie is probably done, Marcel isn't even in the considersation set, Nyakane is primarily a loosehead, hopefully Koch will succeed where the others failed....over.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2015, 01:37
#11
24 Jul 2015, 01:37#11
 Carbuncle it's hard to take you seriously when you come up with such exaggerated bilge.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2015, 02:06
#12
24 Jul 2015, 02:06#12
 Mozart
This must be utter BS again.  Malherbe was not dropped from the squad - he is likely to be back next week.   Even Meyer would have remembered how the Argentinians destroy Jannie in the test last year.   It was a disgrace the way Jannie was in reverse gear in the two Argentinian tests, so he is likely to be rested - cannot t ake that chance again..

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
24 Jul 2015, 04:09
#13
24 Jul 2015, 04:09#13
 If Jannie can't do it, that doesn't bode well for a replacement! Against the best scrum I have seen in quite some time.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2015, 05:15
#14
24 Jul 2015, 05:15#14
 Last year - when Jannie was in full jet speed retreat in the scrum in the test against the Argentinians - Malherbe was brought on and stabilised the scrums .    
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jul 2015, 09:38
#15
24 Jul 2015, 09:38#15
 As per usual Moz has it all wrong.....firstly Malherbe has not been dropped......Meyer is rotating his bench.....said as much weeks before the game.
The first scrum involving Malherbe, Bismark and Beast was monstrous....a vast improvement on Jannie.
Coenie is anything but done.....just signed with the Sharks.
Marcel is injured hence not in the squad or playing CC for the Bulls.
Nyakane was very good at 3 when he played there.....better than Jannie.
So as I said we have no issue at 3 at all......we have more depth than ever....we just don't have the coach to recognise this very obvious fact.....a coach as rugby ignorant as you are.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2015, 12:28
#16
24 Jul 2015, 12:28#16
 Dave
Mozart will never accept that the players well over 30 years of age are not what the used to eb and replacement is long overdue.  He would write endlessly on this site - criticising potential replacements and write fairy tails about the performance of his geriatric favourites.
In the latter effort - he would ignore the performance of De Jager and find fault with his performance.   He would attack Malherbe - not wishing to accept the real problem was not Malherbe.  He would credit Jannie du Plessis with strong scrumming - while prior to Jannie's injury in the first half - the scrums were static - while when Malherbe came on the Aussies went into reverse gear.   So a static Jannie suddenly becomes the flavour of the month.  Really no surprise - Jannie was poor in the tests last year - the excuse being he was overplayed - and worse in Super 15 this year.   Suddenly he had an average game and the raving and praise-singing is ear splitting.   I believe it is called BS by the bucketful.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2015, 14:56
#17
24 Jul 2015, 14:56#17

This is the key game....Jannie is not in without a few niggles. If HM thought Malherbe would help him he would be on the bench. Sio destroyed him last week. Finito.

 

And against the Bargies last year poor Malherbe was flat on his stomach in every scrum....rescued by the ref who finally called the Bargie who had used the same tactic against Jannie....for scrumming inwards. Never was there a whiff of stability on Malherbe's part.....it was all a bit of hype because we got a penalty or two.

 

 

Jannie remains the man.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2015, 16:26
#18
24 Jul 2015, 16:26#18
 Mozart
Keep on deluding yourself - you have my sympathy in that regard.  If a team scrum inwards it is obvious - the Argentinians scrummed straight and both your two favourite two props (Steenkamp and Jannie took a race to the back extreme;y seriously.   Some sanity was restored when Malherbe came on late in the tests.
Nice excuse as per normal - and look again - the weak link in the prop set-up was Van der Merwe - not Malherbe.  He was better in scrumming than Jannie in the first half when Jannie went off for a concussion test and fine in scrumming until van der Merwe and Strauss came on.        
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