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Stormers need to rethink flyhalf- (anyone except the useless Cat)

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sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
30 Mar 2015, 19:18
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30 Mar 2015, 19:18#1
Allister Coetzee © Gallo ImagesSuper Rugby Prediction gameSuper Rugby Fantasy gameThe rugby week in pictures"It just never ends" - Tony Johnson Stormers need to rethink flyhalf by Gavin Rich 30 March 2015, 08:35

The return of Duane Vermeulen as No 8 and captain will provide a significant boost for a DHL Stormers team that too quickly drifted away from their planned structured approach against the Highlanders, but a change may be necessary at flyhalf if they are to challenge the Hurricanes on Good Friday.

The Stormers went down 39-21 to the Highlanders in what can be described as an abjectly disappointing start to their tour. But for the first 20 minutes at the Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin they looked well on track to maintain their long winning sequence against the south island franchise that dates back to 2007, with the Stormers, playing off a strong first-phase platform, sticking to a tight structured game that minimised turn-over opportunities for their dangerous opponents.

However, once they had gone into a 7-0 lead through a converted Juan de Jongh try, it all went pear shaped for the Stormers, with Dillyn Leyds dropping a ball at the restart following the try and from there the Highlanders engineered a try that was the turning point in the game. When the Stormers became loose it played into the Highlanders’ hands.

Perhaps the return of Duane Vermeulen will change that, for the regular captain, who was rested for the opening tour match as per the agreement with Saru about the management of Springboks, is strict about sticking to structures and he is also a player who adds to the team’s ability to physically suffocate opponents.

But the Stormers may need more than that, for it was apparent, even in those opening minutes, that they lacked something from structured attack and were just way too predictable. Even when they did score their opening try off a long multi-phased build-up they nearly butchered it. It was a fortunate bounce off an opposing player’s hands that was responsible for De Jongh being able to break through and score after the move appeared to have broken down.

Much of the Stormers’ problem appeared to revolve around their backs lining up too deep on attack, something that may be sourced in Demetri Catrakilis being less inclined to take the ball at the line than Kurt Coleman is. The latter came on in the second half and the Stormers looked a lot more potent on attack when he was there.

Coleman was the man in the pivot position when the Stormers enjoyed a sequence of wins towards the end of the last Super Rugby season, and perhaps coach Allister Coetzee needs a memory jolt. Although Catrakilis is a fine kicker of the ball, he is not as good a rugby player as Coleman is, and, apart from not asking questions of opponents, he is also not nearly as slick or accurate a distributor.

Catrakilis has done well in two Western Province Currie Cup title chases since 2012, but has arguably never been as influential a level up, at Super Rugby. Coleman was considered a liability at one stage because he appeared to have a suspect temperament and his kicking, both for posts and out of hand, lacked consistency.

However, in 2015 we have seen the benefits of the work put in by mental coach Henning Gericke and kicking coach Vlok Cillier coming through in the Coleman performances, with the back-up flyhalf slotting a crucial pressure penalty against the Bulls at Loftus in the opening game and also an important conversion from the touchline against the Lions a few weeks later.

Coleman’s kicking stats are good, and, while he obviously didn’t kick well enough out of hand to satisfy Coetzee in his one start against the Chiefs, for he was replaced at the start of the second half, perhaps the coach was too quick in making the change. Certainly the Stormers’ opening half-hour in that game was their best 30 minutes of rugby produced this season so far, and it was Coleman who was wearing the No 10. It was only after the change was made that the Stormers faded away.

Whatever Coetzee decides in his flyhalf deliberation, he is going to go hard at the players this week on the need to be disciplined and stick to the plan, for he left little doubt in his teleconference call with the Cape media after the Dunedin game that the players had let him down.

“We wanted to play direct, to play one-pass rugby, which is what you need to do against the Highlanders, but the players saw space and there were numbers so they drifted from the plan,” said Coetzee.

“They will have to learn from this. The fact of the matter is that the Highlanders are a team that will punish you if you are going to make mistakes.”

Coetzee also faces an interesting selection dilemma in the back row this week. Nizaam Carr was excellent last season and won Springbok recognition as a result, but it is hard to see once Vermeulen has returned how he can be accommodated in the same back row as Schalk Burger. The latter made his first start of the season in his 100th match and was brilliant, but he and Carr are too similar in playing style to be accommodated in the same loose trio.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
30 Mar 2015, 19:26
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30 Mar 2015, 19:26#2
Catt is another inferior clone of Naas Botha. Catt even plays football and tried out as a school kid for some football team.
I think that was the worst display at flyhalf for this years SuperXV so far. He just stands deep all of the time, and everyone knows knows he is going to kick it. He puts most of his team off side by standing so deep that no one can chase the ball effectively. 
As soon as Coleman came onto the pitch they were a better team. 
Coleman is a rugby player, not a football player.He wants to attack with ball in had. He is a good player if not spectacular.

Catt is unfortunately not SuperXV standard. 
It is clear that the Stormers backline training sessions consists of only kick and chase, otherwise it would be obvious that Coleman brings something to attacking rugby. 
I think Catt should be dropped from the squad with immediate effect. He has signed to go overseas anyway I think, so may as well get a young player in with the potential to play a running game and kicking game.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2015, 19:55
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30 Mar 2015, 19:55#3
 You missed it Sharkbok - the worst display at flyhalf this year was Frans Steyn on Saturday by a proverbial mile.  Cat came a distant second.   
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
30 Mar 2015, 23:02
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30 Mar 2015, 23:02#4
Frans Steyn at least plays relatively flat, so most of his team are behind him than in front off him. Sometimes he runs onto the ball as well.
At least if he crash balls he will have support because most of his team are behind him.


Any flyhalf that allways wants to be standing still when they catch is not a running flyhalf. 
Catt looks like a flyhalf that is scared off contact as well, just like the others that like to sit deep in the pocket.
I hate these clone Naas Botha's that we produce.Derick Hougaard was another, useless. (Last I heard he is going to coach at the Bulls).They have a few decent games behind winning packs, then as soon as they play Super XV they fall to pieces.
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
31 Mar 2015, 00:26
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31 Mar 2015, 00:26#5
I'm drifting towards the brave Lions, good stuff, great attitude hope they can continue with their d/u form . My Cape team was a huge disappointment, despite the stirling efforts of the Stormers player of the day Burger , most of it was lightweight fluster busters ....... to think, next up the Canes backline, & the Stormers defence . Wietnie .
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
31 Mar 2015, 03:50
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31 Mar 2015, 03:50#6
 It's a pity to see Catrakilis go through the same disappointing form of Boshoff this year. The problem with Catrakilis is there is no variety in his style of play in attack, he's very predictable. The tactical kicking is badly executed for two reasons, it's done at the wrong timing and in the wrong space area which leads to counter attacking opportunities for the opposite team. 

I am neither a fan of Catrakilis or Coleman but I believe Coleman is the better fly half overall and there is many reasons why. Many times Coleman came on off the bench with only 10 minutes of playing, during that small time he's mostly a class above Catrakilis in every part of the game. Coleman is faster on the ball which enables him to break the line more easier, he controls the game better overall with his tactical kicking. 

Coetzee's flawed mind and selections is ruining this teams potential and stature. I went on a rant about this topic on a other forum and article.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2015, 05:35
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31 Mar 2015, 05:35#7
 I'm always surprised by the expectations of this Stormers team. They have a solid front row and one of the better loosie combinations. But until Etzebeth is fully back, the locks are ordinary.
Then in the backs the centres are ok but the halves, wings and fullback are below average. The halves and the back three of every NZ team they play will be better, substantially better mostly.
So why are they supposed to win so easily? Beats me. Etzebeth and Vermeulen are world class players when healthy. Schalk likewise, but getting to full health is a challenge. That is 3 out of 15.
There are needs all over the place.... Too many to fully resolve with available resources. To me WP showed the only plausible path forward, play the attacking game. Get Senatla back, suspect defence and all.....use Kolbe, use de Jongh...get back to the attacking style which won the CC. It probably won't work, but it's a positive choice.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2015, 07:37
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31 Mar 2015, 07:37#8
 Mozart are as always living in Cloud cuckoo land.   Senatla will not be back soon and playing the attacking game with De Jongh in the team is blatantly impossible - since there are too many turnovers when he is tackled.   Last Saturday was adequate proof of that. 
Change the backline and put in players who can attack without losing ball possession will be the way to go.   Play Van Wyk or Jones at 13 and Kotze as the other wing.  I would even go further and play Kolbe at 10 - in which event I would bring in EW Viljoen at full back to do the goal-kicking.   Otherwise I would bring in Robert du Preez's son at flyhalf and keep Kolbe at full back.
To keep the all three midgets (De Jongh, Leyds and Kolbe) will be lunacy - two of them will have to go.   I would say the best one to keep would be Kolbe.          
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Mar 2015, 08:21
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31 Mar 2015, 08:21#9
 Gavin Rich is not seeing the wood from the trees. Two things are needed.Firsly the Stormers must play a loose trio of Rhodes, Vermuelen and Burger. Chuck out that little show pony Kolisi who is also a serial loafer. Carr can be on the bench and give him 20 minutes.Next bring in some bigger backs. Guys like Howard, Jonny Kotze and Huw Jones. Its a pity Senatla isnt available even if only played off the bench.
The difference between Cat and Coleman is not that great - both are average performers. Cat I still think has the stronger temprement. 
The issue I name are the big issues but yes by all means start with Coleman.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Mar 2015, 08:26
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31 Mar 2015, 08:26#10
 The AStormers pack at full strength is the best in the comp. Playing that loose trio would bring it up to force again. we are very fortunate to have so many class locks like Eben, Botha, Kleyn and even c arrisa who has doe better that I thought he would.
We habve the bigger backs to join llnende and Van Wyk  and other than Coetzees lack of expertise we should be fine.
I cant wait to see this incompetent quota coach depart for Japan. I do trust the clowns running WP rugby will not call up ou pdv!!
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Mar 2015, 09:02
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31 Mar 2015, 09:02#11
" Much of the Stormers’ problem appeared to revolve around their backs lining up too deep on attack, something that may be sourced in Demetri Catrakilis being less inclined to take the ball at the line than Kurt Coleman is. The latter came on in the second half and the Stormers looked a lot more potent on attack when he was there."
What hogwash. Our line was way too flat, which resulted in players receiving the ball while flat footed. That was also the reason the rush defense smothered our back line and were able to force the intercept try and another almost try. Cat is a bit off, but Coleman isn't the answer either. Where is Du Preez?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2015, 15:19
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31 Mar 2015, 15:19#12

You can't win without half backs, the Stormers don't have great half backs. Schreuder when he comes on is a calamity. Cat is not much better. Coleman is only sub material and Groom is a competitor but only bottom half in this company.

 

Kolbe and Senatla are mega attacking talents....but in some space. In the CC they were able to find that space. If they are played in a tight structured game, they become liabilities.

 

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Mar 2015, 16:15
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31 Mar 2015, 16:15#13

Wow locks are ordinary are they.....last I checked Ruan Botha was having a cracker of a season and Jean Kleyn looks a real good prospect.

 

Moz do you ever get anything right?

 

The issue with the Stormers is the insistence of their pathetic coach of playing a bunch of school sized backs in his side.......you cant compete with Kolbe, Lleyds, de Jongh, Catrakillis and Groom in the same side......its a bloody joke

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