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Stormers - New low for tries?

Started by clevermike16 REPLIES319 VIEWS· 12 May 2015, 13:48
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2015, 13:48
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12 May 2015, 13:48#1

The following from News 24:-


 Four ordinary-season matches left, eight tries needed to ensure they don’t emulate or even worsen a dubious figure they recorded in their last season of Super Rugby finals series qualification in 2012.


That is the requirement for the Stormers, riding high again this year - currently second overall, albeit helped by the artificial pecking-order demands of the conference system - if they are to try to somehow convince sceptics that they have,INDEED, evolved their game to some degree since that strange campaign three years back.


It was bizarre then in the sense that the Capetonians eventually topped the overall standings to tee up a lucrative home semi-final (where their trail unfortunately ended), despiteREGISTERING the fewest tries of all teams in the competition: 28 at an average of well less than two per game.


Even the basement team that year, the Lions, dotted down 30 times, whilst the Stormers were the only outfit not to earnA SINGLE bonus point of the four-try variety.   Everyone elseBANKED at least two via that route and in some cases many more - the Hurricanes (this season’s current leaders) topped the count with as many as eight, though almost as weirdly they didn’t even crack the top six, finishing two rungs lower than the elite half-dozen.


The ace up the Stormers’ sleeve - some might prefer to brand it theSAVING grace - was their amazing, watertight defensive record in which they leaked only 21 tries themselves, fewest of the 15 participants.


This season, and especially given their particular attacking sterility of the last four matches (four tries notched in the period; easy maths of one a game) there is a real risk that they will fail to match even their “tries for” tally of 2012, considering that the total presently stands on 21, a figure that betters only the 19 achieved by the seriously embattled Reds.


A big difference from 2012 in “tries against” terms is that the Stormers aren’t as clinical defensively: they have already conceded 23 with four assignments to go and although that remains a decent effort, four teams this year have given up fewer tries as things stand.

It also goes some way to explaining why it is massively unlikely the Newlands-based side will end up topping the ordinary-season table in 2015: for one thing, they are already four defeats down (in 2012 they lost just twice in the 16 fixtures) and the ‘Canes have a runaway lead at the summit of 10 points over the Chiefs, and 14 over nearest SA challengers the Stormers and Bulls.


Their bestBET is to keep hammering away to land the second home semi spot, although they have the dual challenge of ensuring they keep both the Bulls and Lions at bay in the local conference, and also that no Australian side ends above them.


In their favour, far more than the brand of rugby they are playing, is a promising-looking run-in on paper, with three Newlands games on the trot to come after this week’s bye (Rebels, Cheetahs and Lions) and then a final outing against the Sharks in Durban - they will want to have at least ensured they are safelyINSTALLED in the finals series before that perilous derby against the old coastal enemy.


But will the Stormers actually try to very consciously liven up their formula over theNEXT few weeks?   Personally, I have my doubts. Warts and all - and under the same Allister Coetzee-led coaching tiller, remember, that guided their best ever 2012 campaign in pure results terms - it is a fact that they are well in the running for the elusive overall honours once more, even if it may require a slightly harder route than three years ago if they can’t earn one of the two “premier”SLOTS in the finals series.


They do have certain of the assets, even if they are hardly the most aesthetically pleasing ones, to be able to power them all the way to glory, like a juggernaut scrum and the ability of their pack generally to command strong field position (especially if they can buck up their ropey lineout, which must be more than possible?)

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In that way, they are capable of building “penalty pressure” of the type we saw in the second half of the Brumbies nail-biter, something that thenPLAYS conveniently into the hands of their  dead-eye goalkicker Demetri Catrakilis.


I just fancy that a conservative, do-it-the-industrial-way approach is somehow ingrained in the psyche of many of the longer-serving Stormers figures both on and off the field, whether they are prepared to acknowledge it or not.


There is going to be a shake-up in tactical terms next year anyway, regardless of where they land up this season, given Coetzee’s known departure to Japan after lengthy service to the franchise.     Notable change of gear in the meantime? It just doesn’t seem likely.


Besides, one minor statistical blessing is that the 2015 Stormers do better the class of 2012 in sporting one four-try bonus point this year, courtesy of the Sydney upset of the defending champion Waratahs which featured several long-range counter-attacks from turnovers or broken play.


But I wouldn’t necessarily get your hopes up of too many others in the remainder of this year’s journey.


CONCLUSION


I am sorry to say that if a team is unable to score sufficient tries and relies solely on kicking goals there is a limit where the team would come to a dead stop in any competition - they would never with the Super 15 Trophy.


This was the case in 2012 with the Stormers and in 2014 with the Sharks.


Rugby is a game aimed at the scoring of tries and that can only be achieved if there is a comprehensive game plan - not a one-dimensional one.    There is a limit to where wins by penalties can be achieved.


 The deficiency in scoring tries is seemingly ingrained in the case of the Stormers and has much to do with the coaching of Coetzee.    

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
12 May 2015, 16:28
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12 May 2015, 16:28#2
To be championship quality you mostly have to be multifaceted. Unless of course you have an area of superiority that others cannot nullify. The Stormers need to learn how to use the ball better, not change their game-plan. Were they to learn to use the ball better they would be almost unstoppable with that kind of platform from the pack.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2015, 17:42
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12 May 2015, 17:42#3
 Letsal
Without scoring sufficient tries in a series nobody would ever win a tournament.  There needs to be a balance in the point scoring - it should not be based on penalty kicks only.
The fact that the Stormers failed to score enough tries indicated not the need for using balls in hand better only - but also for strategic kicking which was absent from their game most of the season.   There were way too many aimless kicks in their repertoire.   Both of the above problems stem from a defective game plan together with a poor application of their game plan.
It also stem from their dud selection programme with too many midgets in their backline.  Players like De Jongh and Leyds are part of the try-scoring deficiency problem as well as part of the defense problem referred to in the article.          
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2015, 22:39
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12 May 2015, 22:39#4
Just another excuse for attacking de Jongh....Draad if you are reading this, this is stale and why this old fool always gets snot klapped. He asks for it in every string...a total pain.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 May 2015, 05:51
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13 May 2015, 05:51#5
 Mozart
The snotklap is for the village idiot who writes BS like the role of the flyhalf is 90% to kick balls and the fact that I did mention De Jongh and Leyds must have hurt the ego of this clueless old fool who knows nothing about rugby in any ev ent. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 May 2015, 07:51
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14 May 2015, 07:51#6
 Spot on Mike. Too many microlights in the backline mean they have little hope of scoring tries against the big boys of Super 15 and of course they cant hope to defend adequately for 870 mins. All this dispite having a good pack!!!Aliastair Coetzee is a dope of considerable magnitude and has no clue really. Cant wait for us to get in a proper coach.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 May 2015, 07:56
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14 May 2015, 07:56#7
 Poor Kolbe has been flattened so often he now tends to run only late in the game - apart from a very occassional burst.Here any coach would see one has apotentially leathal scrummie and would switch him to 9.
Alas ou Alistair has no clue at all.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 May 2015, 08:01
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14 May 2015, 08:01#8
 I wonder who the next coach of the Stormers would be.  What about John Mitchell - he would knock that Stormers backline into proper shape and will select the proper backline players to fulfill or their needs.  There will be no more Vodacom Cup level players in that backline combination. 
Slaptjips may end up as the backline coach of the Stormers.  W ithout the weird ideas of Ludeke and his attacking coach sidekick Matfield - he may achieve much more with the Stormers backline than he did at the Bulls.       
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
16 May 2015, 14:26
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16 May 2015, 14:26#9
 If Alistair were to resign who would be his successor? Is there a succession plan in place?
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
16 May 2015, 14:29
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16 May 2015, 14:29#10
No. In South Africa, one doesn't care for things like that. If you don't like someone, they must always go because there is always someone better. 
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
16 May 2015, 14:31
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16 May 2015, 14:31#11
 The Stormers dont seem to be doing badly at all
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
16 May 2015, 14:41
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16 May 2015, 14:41#12
The Stormers just need an adequate backline coach. However, in South Africa you have to discard everything and start from scratch, not refine and improve what is already in place.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
16 May 2015, 14:43
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16 May 2015, 14:43#13
 Ouch -
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 May 2015, 14:55
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16 May 2015, 14:55#14
 Hakwa
We have three of the worst franchise coaches in Super 15 - namely Coetzee, Ludeke and Gold.   They have one thing in common - they are forward coaches clueless about backline play and they have all the wrong supporting coaches as well.  Ludeke has Slaptjips Rossouw as backline coach - but the latter is leaving the Bulls at the end of this year.   He is totally frustrated by the fact that he is not listened to because Matfield is the attack coach of the Bulls.
Coetzee has been floundering around for the Stormers for the last three years now and there is one constant present - they are clueless about backline play.   They cannot combine between forwards and backs and the reason is what Beeno call "the microlights".
Gold is just plain and simple clueless - a coach going from one club to the ne xt and never made a success of coaching.   
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
16 May 2015, 14:59
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16 May 2015, 14:59#15
 I like Gold. He is passionate about what he does but maybe needs the right support people around him he can delegate to.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 May 2015, 15:03
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16 May 2015, 15:03#16
The oaks should take note of the size of down under backs. The extreme folly of ou Alistair's approach would become immediately apparent.
Gold has now been robbed of two wins down under. Sharks would then be sitting pretty.Its too early to judge Gold Mike.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
16 May 2015, 15:04
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16 May 2015, 15:04#17
Hear hear Beeno
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