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Stormers to beef up back three

Started by Beeno114 REPLIES369 VIEWS· 20 Apr 2015, 18:31
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:31
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20 Apr 2015, 18:31#1

Hope ou Alistair wakes up.

Ex Sport 24

Cape Town – A trio of utility backs offer fill-in options for the Stormers if rangy right wing Kobus van Wyk is officially ruled out of the selection mix for Saturday’s key Super Rugby derby against the Bulls at Newlands.

It could be a close call for coach Allister Coetzee and his assistants between Johnny Kotze, Pat Howard and Huw Jones – although there may even be an off-chance that versatile Springbok Jaco Taute is ready slightly ahead of schedule for fresh combat after a lengthy, enforced absence.

The franchise will issue a medical update on Tuesday, and it seems highly unlikely that Van Wyk will be in the frame after hobbling off in some discomfort with a knee problem in the narrow 13-6 triumph over the Force in Perth.

His absence would be inconvenient as he is an important, big-framed balancer in a Stormers back three not blessed by remarkable height or brawn even if the other members of it, fullback Cheslin Kolbe and left wing Dillyn Leyds, offer strengths in other ways.

The Capetonians were occasionally exposed on their just-concluded overseas tour on defence in the wide positions whenever confronted on the charge by some of the powerhouse wings in the ranks of certain Australasian sides.

Diminutive Kolbe lacks absolutely nothing in courage and played very well in an all-round capacity against the Force, but it is a stark reality that even when he presents his full, 1.71m and 73kg frame as an obstacle in such situations, he will be “bounced” every now and then.

Fortunately – and especially if Van Wyk is ruled out – the Bulls don’t have an especially beefy back three themselves, although all of Jesse Kriel, Bjorn Basson and a resurgent Francois Hougaard are in decent, threatening form.

But if the Stormers nevertheless feel a need to go like-for-like in the expected Van Wyk void, they could do worse than hand a maiden start to Pat Howard, who looked both an elusive and hard-running character in several appearances during Western Province’s Currie Cup-winning season last year.

The 23-year-old undoubtedly has the physical credentials (1.87m, 100kg) if they want a relatively imposing specimen at No 14, although both Kotze and Jones are more familiar with current structures following fair respective game-time for the Stormers in recent weeks and aren’t midgets, either.

Former Michaelhouse star Howard has gained some extra street-wisdom in a stint abroad with Munster, and will join English Premiership outfit Northampton Saints after the 2015 Currie Cup, but that doesn’t preclude the possibility that he may be the most attractive pick for present requirements.

Taute could be the dark horse for a swift recall if he gets the medical nod; there was talk a few weeks back that he would probably return to the squad after completion of the overseas leg, although the fullback/centre will be rather short of a gallop at this stage.

If ready, he might be a better fit at No 15 than wing, which could mean the swift Kolbe shifting to a wider station: after his success in the last line of a heroic defence against the Force, however, a switch of roles for the pocket dynamo might not be advisable.

The Stormers will be able to reintroduce rested A-grade Springbok Duane Vermeulen both as captain and No 8 for the derby, so smart money perhaps suggests a loose trio – bearing in mind the Bulls’ traditional physicality – made up of him, the ceaselessly energetic Schalk Burger and Siya Kolisi, even as Nizaam Carr continues to claw his way back to optimal personal ability.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:50
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20 Apr 2015, 18:50#2
Taute the cart horse on the wing....you can't be serious.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2015, 18:56
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20 Apr 2015, 18:56#3
 Taute should not be anywhere near the wing position - but would be a damn site better than the useless Leyd is there in any event.   The main problem remains the combination of the three midgets at 13, 14 and 15 stemming from the major derensive problems they create .   Preferably two of those must go and my choice of the to go would be - move Kolbe to wing - play Jones at 13 and Kotze at 14.     
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2015, 19:47
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20 Apr 2015, 19:47#4
 Bring in Howard. When last we saw him he looked like a potential Bok. Big, fast and strong. They are talking about Taute as a center or wing. Only trouble is both these two are ring rusty. 
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
20 Apr 2015, 20:07
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20 Apr 2015, 20:07#5
I think the issue with the defense of these small guys is overstated or misstated. Only a couple situations have arisen where they were really "exposed" and to me its not a weight issue primarily. The Lowe, Naiyarovovo and Naholo tries come to mind. All three tries were poor tackling attempts going way too high and the Naholo try he was going to score no matter who was playing fullback. He would have just stepped a big guy instead of running him over. 
These quick, nippy guys have positives too on defense like being good on cover and scramble defense and a superior line speed to shut down opposition moves. I think the current Stormers game plan caters to that.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2015, 20:41
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20 Apr 2015, 20:41#6
 oimatey 
There are some positives in what you said - but the Stormers in 2013 had a constant problem when playing Aplon, Pietersen and De Jongh in the 13, 14 and 15 positions.   The problem was that those three positions caused a serious defensive sieve in the Stormers backline.   It was not only the obvious missed tackles that lead to tries, it went further and failed open-field tackle attempts caused major problems in territory losses as well.   The situation then was that the missed tackle ratio's was between 23 and 40% - which is totally unacceptable.
Aplon was a top class player and his overall role in the team was beyond any shadow of a doubt positive.   However - he left and was replaced by a player rejected by the Western Force as inadequate in the form of Leyds.   There is very little positive in what Leyds produce on the field of play.
There has been endless discussion of De Jongh on this site and these discussions veer from positive impressions to negative impressions.   The positives are pace and his ability to use space optimally - he is a very good finisher.  The negatives are deficient ball handling skills, his inability to create space for other players  and ball possession losses - coupled to a serious tackling deficiency.  Some people ignores his negatives - others over-emphasize those.  The difference lies somewhere in the middle - an average performer that could be replaced if there is a better performer around.        
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:02
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20 Apr 2015, 21:02#7
I think the Stormers are very aware of the balance between power and mobility. They are about the best defensive team out there, so my guess is they have it right. De jongh's line speed is a huge factor in their stingy defence,
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:05
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20 Apr 2015, 21:05#8
Having a 28% missed tackle ratio does not present good defense and to try and justify it is laughable.  
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:06
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20 Apr 2015, 21:06#9
Mike - thats the nicest thing I have ever heard you say about de jongh
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:13
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20 Apr 2015, 21:13#10
When you think something is happening, but the results are exactly opposite, you have to examine your going in assumptions. Moronic and HasBeen are convinced small guys are compromising the Stormers defence....but it remains among the stingiest in the league. Conclusion, their initial position is simplistic.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:38
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20 Apr 2015, 21:38#11
 Mozart
The Stormers position on the overall log has been in decline since 2012 and the present signs are that it has been arrested and may improve,  However, that does not mean that their is nothing wrong with their defense - and stingy it was - but is not anymore.
When it was when they had Aplon at full back and De Jongh flanked on the one side by Habana and Van Heerden and on the other side De Villiers.  In 2013 it got worse and last year was no difference.  They lost Habana and Van Heerden and replaced both by midgets  - so there is no defensive cover for De Jongh.   They replaced those by moving Aplon from full back to wing, which caused deficiencies when two very small players were playing beside each other and put Pietersen - another small player at full back.  The result was a serious defensive sieve.  2015 was no better - with the difference that Van Wyk and De Allende has been performing exceptionally well - while a combination of Kolbe, Leyds and De Jongh caused a major increase of tries being scored against the Stormers and losses against teams like the Highlanders.
Nothing simplistic about the above - what is simplistic is that you refuse to even consider that there is a defense deficiency in evidence.      
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:59
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20 Apr 2015, 21:59#12
Last I looked the Stormers have the lowest points against total of any of the SA franchises, despite having played their full NZ/Oz leg, when big scores against  are a risk.

But don't let that upset your argument t hat small Stormers backs are leaking tries.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
20 Apr 2015, 22:44
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20 Apr 2015, 22:44#13
 Leyds is the problem, not Kolbe nor De Jong. He isn't astute enough positionally and puts unnecessary pressure on whoever plays fullback, he's been caught out plenty and that's not to mention how weak he is.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 23:51
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20 Apr 2015, 23:51#14
I agree totally S hezza. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Apr 2015, 11:25
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21 Apr 2015, 11:25#15
Its simple...play the impressive Taute at 15, move Kolbe to wing.....play Pat Howard at 13 and move wee de Jongh to the other wing as there is no way v/Wyk will be fit for this weekend......his injury looked like a few weeks out.  
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