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Super 15 Tournament thus far - potential Springbok selection

Started by clevermike9 REPLIES710 VIEWS· 19 May 2015, 07:10
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2015, 07:10
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19 May 2015, 07:10#1

The season is nearing its end and if the player performances are taken into account thus far - who should be considered based on their performances for selection as Springboks.   In my assessment of actual performances I would make the following assessments:-


Full back  


Potential candidates are Willie le Roux, Jesse Kriel and Cheslin Kolbe.   I would say that in a few games Kriel was excellent - but in recent games he was less effective.   Kolbe is a physically small player and he has speed and is a good positional player - but there are serious question marks iro defense.   Willie le Roux was the same throughout the season before his recent injury.


My choice is -


1.  Willie le Roux

2.  Jesse Kriel

3.  Cheslin Kolbe


Wings


There are very few wings that showed continuous good play and in Super 15 there are just three worth mentioning - namely Francois Hougaard,  Ruan Combrinck and Kobus van Wyk, while in his recent game Lionel Mapoe - who was constantly good at 13 - showed some real value on the wing.


My choices would be the following:-


1.  Francois Hougaard

2.  Ruan Combrinck

3.  Kobus van Wyk

4.  Lionel Mapoe


Centers


No 13


We have a serious problem here and there were only a few players that showed some signs of top class performance throughout the season.  I am going to stick my neck out and rate the following players:-


1.   Harold Vorster 

2.   Lionel Mapoe

3.   Johann Sadie

4.   JJ Engelbrecht

5.   Francois Venter


In rating a rookie in Vorster that highly - I took into account that the youngster got better at 12 as the season progressed - and was outstanding in his three latest games where he played at 13.  


No 12


There is a problem here as well, since most inside centers showed some problems - while others had only two games as starters.  In the games where he played at 12 Esterhuizen had some good moments - but he also had some very poor ones.  Francois Steyn was poor in his first four games and after a five week ban showed some improvement - but is still not up to standard.  


1.  Damian de Allende

2.  Francois Venter

3.  Harold Vorster

4.  Jan Serfontein

5.  Burger Odendaal


Flyhalfs


The choice here is limited to four players, namely Handre Pollard, Patrick Lambie, Elton Jantjies and Joe Pietersen


1.   Handre Pollard

2.   Patrick Lambie

3.   Elton Jantjies

4.   Joe Pietersen



Scrumhalfs


There are only two scrummies worth mentioning and those are Cobus Reinach and Faf de Klerk, with  outsiders to be considered being Rudi Paige and Nic Groom.


1.   Faf de Klerk

2.   Cobus Reinach

3.   Rudi Paige

4.   Nic Groom 


No 8's


Only two players really deserve mentioning and those are -


1.   Duane Vermeulen

2.   Warren Whiteley


No 7's 


The one player that was consistently good was Schalk Burger.  Labuschagne was good in the early games - was injured and came back playing out of his normal position at 6.   Arno Botha played a few games at 7 and was not really impressive in his latest game.  Michael Rhodes had some good games at 7 and got injured.  Alberts played only three games this year and only two at 7.  H e was poor in both of those two games. 


1.   Schalk Burger

2.   Pieter Labuschagne

3.   Arno Botha

4.   Warwick Tecklenburg

5.   Michael Rhodes


No 6's


Some very good players here and strictly based on overall performances we have the following:-


1.   Jaco Kriel

2.   Marcel Coetzee

3.   Heinrich Brussow


Locks


Here there is a problem.  The hype is all about Victor Matfield - but he is physically-deficient and produces nothing in Tight 5 play, which is seriously problematic.   The issue is to strengthen the Tight 5 and that is my main criterium here.   I think the outstanding locks  this year has been the following:-


1.  Eben Etzebeth

2.  Jacques du Plessis

3.  Pieter-Steph du Toit

4.  Franco Mostert

5.  Carl Wegner


Props


Tightheads


1.  Frans Malherbe

2.  Vincent Koch

3.  Coenie Oosthuizen

4.  Marcel van der Merwe

5.  Julian Redelinghuys


Looseheads


1.   Tendai Mtawarire

2.   Schalk van der Merwe

3.   Trevor Nyakane

4.   Jacques van Rooyen


Hookers


1.    Adriaan Strauss

2.    Bismarck du Plessis

3.    Armand van der Merwe




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hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 May 2015, 14:01
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21 May 2015, 14:01#2
 No Lambie at Full back? You would really pick Vorster over JJ at 13?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 May 2015, 15:15
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21 May 2015, 15:15#3

My Bok side right now would be:


15. Willie 14. Kriel 13. de Allende 12. Serfontein 11. Senatla 10. Pollard 9. Hougaard 1. Kitshoff 2. Bismark 3. Marcel v/d Merwe 4. Willemse 5. Etzebeth 6. Coetzee 7. Jacques du Plessis 8. Vermeulen (c)


16. Strauss 17. Nyakane 18. Malherbe 19. Arno Botha 20. Kolisi 21. de Klerk 22. Jantjies 23. Vorster 

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
21 May 2015, 15:22
#4
21 May 2015, 15:22#4
Hougaard over Reinach is an improvement. Strauss for Bismarck though, Habana for Senatla. Not so sure about the locks. I would start Arno.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 May 2015, 15:24
#5
21 May 2015, 15:24#5

No Habana is done, Senatla is the new boy on the block and will give us that sense of excitement every time he got the ball.


Not sure about Etzebeth???????????????  

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
21 May 2015, 15:35
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21 May 2015, 15:35#6
Eben is an outstanding player, but his work rate can be poor. In last year's EOYT he was anonymous outside of the lineouts. He also needs to tidy up his discipline. 

Here, Welsh try. Serfontein run down. 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 May 2015, 17:09
#7
21 May 2015, 17:09#7

Oh fuck you are beyond stupid....I give up and cant be asked to debate rugby with you.


Questioning one of the best locks in the game is beyond my time  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 May 2015, 21:24
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21 May 2015, 21:24#8
 This guy Letsal is weird.  What he regards as a good lock is a player like Matfield who moonlights in the backline and makes some tackles - which shows activity on the part of players.   The quality of the tackles does not mean anything.  He does not understand the actual functions of the lock and the need to be effective in the engine room/Tight 5.
Elsewhere he listed stats for Francois Steyn in 2013 and claimed he was the best center at 12 - without evaluation of the quality of the players activities.   When that was done for him he said it is just meaningless numbers being thrown around.   He also have no idea about the impact of a player's activities and what happened to the ball afterwards.
Then he and Mozart carries on how wonderful Morne  Steyn was when he came on from the bench in the two Argentine tests last year.   They both failed to mention near fatal mistakes made by Morne in the games concerned - which could have lost both the games for the Springboks.    That shows a lack of objective assessment and a disastrous interpretation of what a player does on the field of play.
In the process Letsal's interpretation of what happens on the field of play is so superficial and obviously false that it is basically impossible to discuss issues with him, since he does not realize what is implied in such discussions.     
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 May 2015, 02:53
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22 May 2015, 02:53#9
 Please note the above only relates to performances in Super 15.   There are potentially three players not involved in Super 15 that could come into the picture - namely Bryan Habana, Francois Louw and Fourie du Preez.   The rest of the foreign club players have shown zero to bring them into the picture.
There is a problem with Fourie du Preez and that relates to present match fitness and the lack of consistency when he played for the Springboks over the past two years.  The only basis for his potential selection in fact relates to experience - and that without proven performance  is not a sound basis for selection to any team.  The other problem is that when in 2014 he was out of rugby for three months and he returned - he played some good rugby in one game, was iffy in the second a week later and was injured in the third game putting him out of rugby for the remainder of 2014.   When the RC starts in July, he would in fact have had only three months of rugby over the past year - ie from January to March 2015 - with only 8 games in that period.  That would be followed by another 3 months out of rugby altogether when he in his own words is "quietly training at home".   Is that enough to ensure he is match-fit in July 2015 and thereafter?  I would say his selection would be a gamble at best.  
Then there are potentially the injured players who had very little or no game time in Super 15.  Here we have only Jean de Villiers that could make the grade.  However, Jean is already 34 years old and was considerably poorer in 2014 after a very good 2013.  At the end of last year he had a horror injury and is in the rehabilitation phase.  Although the spirit is seriously optimistic and positive - will he be physically up to it in international rugby in future?   Nobody knows - but Jean said himself he will not be a party to weakening of the team - so we will have to wait and see.          
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
22 May 2015, 09:03
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22 May 2015, 09:03#10
 Fourie return was discussed heatedly in 20 13/14
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