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Super Rugby expansion under threat

Started by Brycy10 REPLIES339 VIEWS· 26 Aug 2015, 08:51
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Aug 2015, 08:51
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26 Aug 2015, 08:51#1

...what a joke.. the Japanese can't even find a coach or a team..


But Sydney's Daily Telegraph newspaper reports that contingency plans have been drawn up that involve running a 17-team format without Japan, or going to 16 teams with just the Argentina side...

Officials from Sanzar toured Japan earlier this month and raised concerns that suggested a delay in the Asian stronghold's entry could be a possibility.


It seems a power struggle between the wealthy company-based Japanese clubs and the Super Rugby ambitions are at the base of Japans problems.


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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Aug 2015, 10:17
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26 Aug 2015, 10:17#2
 ...what's happening with the Kings?...sounds like they're too broke to be included in 2016 as well.... competitions turning into a total goat fk...
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Aug 2015, 11:00
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26 Aug 2015, 11:00#3
I lost interest years ago already. It can now at best be called a development tournament, although total goat fk as you put it is more accurate.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Aug 2015, 11:07
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26 Aug 2015, 11:07#4
 Just the other day I told someone that, IMO, SANZAR and their Super Rugby competition could well be the downfall of SH rugby pretty soon..................
Actually............ it will not even be a purely SH competition anymore. 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Aug 2015, 11:18
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26 Aug 2015, 11:18#5
 Looks like the NZ/Aus setup will be the one to watch . SA, Argies & Japs I dunno, especially when thinking of the depleted makeup of our teams next year & of course the EP Kings . There's going to be a helluva lot of kak games .
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2015, 12:13
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26 Aug 2015, 12:13#6
 BB
There sure are going to be problems with the SA sides - but I think some of the departures from the scene of players would be a blessing in disguise and that we have sufficient and better youngsters to replace them.   They have become to big for the game in any event.   The Bulls showed us on Saturday what damage has been done to the team by Ludeke, Spies and Matfield over the last three years.   
I was definitely impressed by the Lions and the Bulls this year.  The Stormers have backline problems - but I think Jones will fix the problems.  I wrote elsewhere about the issue and hope the Stormers can find a proper flyhalf and get rid of the midgets who are defensive liabilities.   
The sides that would be problematic are the Sharks and the Cheetahs - but they would not be worse than they were this year.   The Kings are plain and simple BS in capital letters.     
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Aug 2015, 12:38
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26 Aug 2015, 12:38#7
 blobbok
 
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August 26, 2015, 11:18:22

 Looks like the NZ/Aus setup will be the one to watch . SA, Argies & Japs I dunno, especially when thinking of the depleted makeup of our teams next year & of course the EP Kings . There's going to be a helluva lot of kak games .


Add to that the crap setup with the two SA conferences. I noticed this the other day and has nit seen many comments about it. Compare the two SA Conferences (which has not even been finalized yet) with the two OZ/NZ conferences. Bearing that in mind, I have to agree that the SA, as one of then three "main" SANZAR partners, has effectively been side-lined into a second rate "leg" of the competition.
Australian ConferencePosTeamPWDLPFPAPDTFTATBLBPts1Brumbies0000000000002Force0000000000003Rebels0000000000004Reds0000000000005Waratahs000000000000
New Zealand ConferencePosTeamPWDLPFPAPDTFTATBLBPts1Blues0000000000002Chiefs0000000000003Crusaders0000000000004Highlanders0000000000005Hurricanes000000000000 Africa 1 ConferencePosTeamPWDLPFPAPDTFTATBLBPts1tbd0000000000002tbd0000000000003tbd0000000000004 Argentina (Super Rugby)000000000000Africa 2 ConferencePosTeamPWDLPFPAPDTFTATBLBPts1tbd0000000000002tbd0000000000003tbd0000000000004 Japan (Super Rugby)000000000000The format leaves OZ nicely with all their pool games in OZ on  home turf and the same for NZ. SA and the Jap and Arg teams will be flying all over the world, unless the plans are to base the Jap and Arg teams in SA for the duration of the competition. That would, IMO, defeat the object of "bringing Super Rugby to Arg and Japan".
In fact, SANZAR would be beating their chests over "their" efforts in expanding the game in Arg and Japan while, in effect, it is mostly done by SA and SA teams. The chances are that and OZ or NZ team could win the Super Rugby Competition without ever setting a foot outside of OZ/NZ.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Aug 2015, 12:45
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26 Aug 2015, 12:45#8
What a load of rubbish, talk about messing up a good comp  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2015, 14:55
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26 Aug 2015, 14:55#9
 Ceradyne
The above is the conference info - not the game schedule.  
The real reason in the expansion has nothing to do with rugby and everything to do with getting the Kings into the Super series because of Government Pressure.  The expansion to Argentina can be accepted as a natural growth since they are part of the RC and even manage to beat the Springboks and drew with them before. The other increase is absolute BS.      
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Aug 2015, 15:09
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26 Aug 2015, 15:09#10
 @ceradyne,

"I have to agree that the SA, as one of then three "main" SANZAR partners, has effectively been side-lined into a second rate "leg" of the competition."
"SANZAR would be beating their chests over "their" efforts in expanding the game in Arg and Japan while, in effect, it is mostly done by SA and SA teams."

The SARU is the main culprit of all this mess up so don't come as the victims of it. The SARU is the one who blew up the SR-15 in their effort to include at all costs the 6th SA franchise, the kings, when the SA teams can barely complete 4 competitive teams
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Aug 2015, 15:19
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26 Aug 2015, 15:19#11
 @Abesquefan. Do not, for one moment think that I am exonerating SARU. I fully agree that they are 100% to blame for the fiasco. To put everything into perspective would take a lengthy essay. The bottom line is that they "negotiated" SA into this crap position and all of it to please the politicians. 
The reality is that people, pre 1994, where all joining in the "no normal sport in an abnormal society" choir. Everybody was bitching about political interference in sport. Why has the choir suddenly been disbanded? Why is there still political interference in sport. Even in NZ as recently as during the 2011 RWC?
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