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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Jan 2023, 19:05
#1
17 Jan 2023, 19:05#1

This article today.



Swys sold on Lukhanyo and 'phenomenal' Rohan partnering for Boks too: 'That's a combination
"Talking about those two centres, for me, that's a [classical] centre combination,"

"Lukhanyo runs the defence so well, communicates brilliantly and he's got silky hands on attack. And then Rohan Janse van Rensburg is this [difficult attacker to stop], when you tackle him, you've got to hold him because he will worm out of the tackle and off-load."

"He's a really phenomenal player."

"For higher honours, that could be a good pairing going forward, especially if something happens to Damian de Allende,"
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2023, 19:09
#2
17 Jan 2023, 19:09#2
JVR has to be in the Bok set up along with Esterhuizen
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Jan 2023, 19:31
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17 Jan 2023, 19:31#3
What's going to happen to Damian? The man is never going to be displaced by donkey Erasputin. It's not about performance. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2023, 19:37
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17 Jan 2023, 19:37#4
de Allende is the best 12 in the game, Rassie knows it and so does the rest of the rugby world naming DA in three separate world sides of the year Case closed you ignorant prick
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jan 2023, 19:49
#5
17 Jan 2023, 19:49#5

RJVR had a dietary issue...has it been resolved?

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Jan 2023, 19:54
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17 Jan 2023, 19:54#6

What exactly does he do well? He can't pass, he can't carry into traffic, he bends on defence head on, can't defend laterally, can't read play, can't kick, can't attack the breakdown. What is it that he does well? His 1.7m per carry? His mindless runs in space? The way he crabs? He way he blows overlaps? The way he runs the wrong way and can't support good breaks? You can't point anything to me that he does well. Go on, reference something for a change? Or are you just a Jaba the Hutt lazy mouthpiece? A chihuahua behind a fence?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2023, 20:00
#7
17 Jan 2023, 20:00#7
Can’t carry into traffic - listen to this fucking idiot I give up
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Jan 2023, 20:09
#8
17 Jan 2023, 20:09#8

RJVR > Esterhuizen > DDA

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Jan 2023, 20:13
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17 Jan 2023, 20:13#9

There are so many instances of Damian being dumped backwards. Look at Esterhuizen, he doesn't need to hunch into contact, he doesn't need someone to drive him forward, when he encounters a force strong enough to hold him up his back never bends. Damian does none of those things. Show me these good Damian carries. Most of these tests are on YouTube these days, go fish. I want references. I have pointed out all of last season where Damian was dominated. It's time for the big mouths to get off their backside and start posting some material of substance for a change. It's the way things are around here, those who are quick to insult other members are those who never actually offer any insights or information. Just uninformed opinions that they shout down our throats. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Jan 2023, 20:52
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17 Jan 2023, 20:52#10

 RJVR and AM very intresting prospect....also Willemse and AM or Esterhuizen and AM.....it won't harm trying these combo,s out.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Jan 2023, 21:00
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17 Jan 2023, 21:00#11

I'm an Esterhuizen man, he has long deserved a shot. Whenever Esterhuizen has played for the Boks, he has outshone Damian despite Erasputin closing the gameplan off to him. I don't really have a problem with seeing what RJVR can do, we have so little functionality in midfield right now that it won't disrupt anything to have a look. Besides, the centres don't often come into contact with one another, that's just not how teams are structured. I want to see a real 12 for a change. Someone who can dominate and change the way how the opposition plays. With Jones coaching Australia, it's worth casting our minds back to how Esterhuizen twice comprehensively shut down the entire Wallaby attack. Think about that. We have to go back to Jean and Fourie for a centre presence that changed the way the opposition, even the best All Blacks, play the game. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2023, 21:16
#12
17 Jan 2023, 21:16#12
Esterhuizen has done nothing at test level
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Jan 2023, 21:54
#13
17 Jan 2023, 21:54#13

He has done far more than Damian.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2023, 22:14
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17 Jan 2023, 22:14#14
Absolute bullshit
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Jan 2023, 23:22
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17 Jan 2023, 23:22#15

Well, where is the production? 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 00:22
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18 Jan 2023, 00:22#16

Is a dietary issue worse than a brain issue? Just asking. Has anybody seen an interview with Dud Allende, is he coherent?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 00:26
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18 Jan 2023, 00:26#17
de Allende is the best 12 in the game Selected at 12 in 3 different world sides of the year making you fools look like absolute idiots I mean seriously - do you honestly think these 3 different sources would select a shit player at 12 to represent the best in the game Are you lot seriously this stupid? Asking for a friend
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 00:48
#18
18 Jan 2023, 00:48#18

Kerevi is the best 12in the game.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 01:21
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18 Jan 2023, 01:21#19
No he is not he has not featured for ages so is not in contention. The guy needs to be playing test rugby - the ultimate test His career is littered with inconsistencies and if he is not playing test rugby then you can’t make that call as it’s a historical for you
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 01:41
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18 Jan 2023, 01:41#20

Kerevi was injured:

The 28-year-old was always going to miss the start of the Rugby Championship, which kicks off for Australia on Saturday with the first of two Tests in Argentina, but would have returned for four Tests against South Africa and New Zealand.

He was the consensus best 12 in 2021, in large part because he totally dominated Dud Allende in the two games Oz won as a result of that dominance.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 02:12
#21
18 Jan 2023, 02:12#21
That call is utter bullshit he did not dominate DA at all one on one Kerevi was good that year but that’s 2021 DA has easily been the best 12 last year and confirmed by those three world team selections
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 04:02
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18 Jan 2023, 04:02#22
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………
When your direct opponent beats 6 tackles and makes 2offloads and you have diddly, you have been dominated.  In the next game…

TRY! South Africa 6-13 Australia (Kellaway, 18)

Australia opt to run with the man advantage from the lineout. From midfield the ball goes to the right and Kerevi makes the crucial incursion, straightening his attack and holding his balance to float the ball wide to Kellaway who dashes around the outside to cross.

……

That’s what a real centre does… crashing into the first defender and tractoring might be appropriate for the blindside flank.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2023, 06:12
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18 Jan 2023, 06:12#23

"Is a dietary issue worse than a brain issue? Just asking. Has anybody seen an interview with Dud Allende, is he coherent?"

There's some software and fi rmware issues.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jan 2023, 06:54
#24
18 Jan 2023, 06:54#24
Mega software problems, Draad. The guy sounds like he’s either drunk or on the spectrum.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 15:18
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18 Jan 2023, 15:18#25
Moz not once did Kerevi beat DA and that’s a fact So one on one Kerevi did not dominate DA that is utter bullshit Kerevi had the better game on the day but he did not dominate DA
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 17:16
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18 Jan 2023, 17:16#26

Mostly because Dud positioned himself not to tackle Kerevi is my guess…. how the blue blazes does your direct opponent beat 6tackles and make 2 clean breaks without your being involved.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 18:26
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18 Jan 2023, 18:26#27
Yeah the best 12 in the game runs around positioning himself not to tackle and that is why those three different sources selected him as the best 12 of the year It all makes so much sense Moz So Moz out of interest why do you think these 3 different sources picked him in their world sides of the year?
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jan 2023, 18:49
#28
18 Jan 2023, 18:49#28

So Moz out of interest why do you think these 3 different sources picked him in their world sides of the year?

Because SA rugby members must be named. Who else. The quota captain. Ah, yes, he was picked for the symbol.

Nevertheless, this was settled long ago, granting way toob much value to what is a PR exercize to promote the game as a trade product.

To the question why these lists pick this or that name, it could be counter ask why these lists did not pick that or this name.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 18:57
#29
18 Jan 2023, 18:57#29
Trad shut up you ignorant prick The sides were not selected by SA’ns you dumbfuck
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
18 Jan 2023, 19:06
#30
18 Jan 2023, 19:06#30

Damian has been run over many a time. Hooper, Kuridrani, Frans, Kerevi, a few All Blacks, in the Lions series. He often gets dumped on the scripted crashball. Damian is a very weak back.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jan 2023, 19:07
#31
18 Jan 2023, 19:07#31

Of course not.

Support for SA rugby in the North is tremendous: rugby people want to prove that their association with the Apartheid regime was a mistake and that rugby can be something else but an association with an Apartheid mentality.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2023, 19:54
#32
18 Jan 2023, 19:54#32

Dave apart from Kerevi there are no established World Class 12s. Jordie Barrett may be one in the making but we don’t have enough data yet.

So Dud gets the vote because he is a familiar name and a false narrative has been pushed by the South African rugby press. You only need to look at his tries scored/try assist stats to know this man is not a contributor.

Worse….his mental lapses on defense are never examined. It’s a classical Emperor has no clothes phenomenon. So much good ball dying in toothless 2 metre runs.

And now the compulsive kicking thing. So obviously a new ‘skill’ they are trying to teach Dud. But he simply doesn’t have the nous to use it productively. It requires him to make a decision and defense or attack, Dud is completely incapable of judgement.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2023, 22:02
#33
18 Jan 2023, 22:02#33

"The guy sounds like he’s either drunk or on the spectrum."

N ormally smart, people with a "few issues "

Damian has a few "other" issues. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jan 2023, 22:36
#34
18 Jan 2023, 22:36#34
Seriously, is there anyone here that would have DDA over Kerevi? You actually have to be kidding. Kerevi is a complete package player. An actual live wire with skill, power and guile. DDA is none of those things. He showed some talent early on but that ship sailed almost a decade ago now. According to Dave, DDA is there to crash the ball up. Great, Dave…well, there are probably 3 loosies at the Bulls and 2 at the Sharks that could do a better job of that. So what exactly is DDA doing that is so special, because i swear, you are the only person on this board that still supports the plank? Honestly, i think it’s pride. You backed him too much and you can’t change your mind now, right?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jan 2023, 22:39
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18 Jan 2023, 22:39#35
Indeed, Moz. It’s like Rassie and Nienaaber were sitting around wonderibg how best to piss of Boks supporters. “Hey, I got a plan, boss.” “Go on…” “Let’s tell DDA to start kicking more.”
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
18 Jan 2023, 22:52
#36
18 Jan 2023, 22:52#36

Saffex is quite a puzzle. A puzzle best left unsolved. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jan 2023, 22:57
#37
18 Jan 2023, 22:57#37

Really good inside centre,s nowadays is a rare commodity....guys like Ma'a Nonu, Tana Umaga, Jean de Villiers, Brian O Driscoll, Yannick Jauzion, Tim Horan, Scott Gibbs is very hard to find....Am is a class act, but he needs a guy like Andre, Willemse or RJVR next to him..... Young Guys like Rikus Pretorius and Dan Du Plessis are Natural inside centre,s and also needs to be involved in Bok Setup....the 12 channel has Stagnated together with DDA....and needs a serious upgrade.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
18 Jan 2023, 23:11
#38
18 Jan 2023, 23:11#38

Rugby is in the gutter right now. Thanks ELVs. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2023, 23:42
#39
18 Jan 2023, 23:42#39
Wow Moz and you believe your own bullshit Imagine 3 different sources basing their selections on your take They would be an insult to rugby followers DA had a great 2022 - crucial to the Boks There is a reason there are no established 12’s out there as is the case with 13’s. I keep telling you modern rugby is too tight and structured defensively for test centres to make a regular impression. DA stands out because he is a physical freak in traffic, he gives the Boks go forward every time he carries and when the opportunity presents itself he makes good breaks. But this is all beyond you lot but you can’t provide an alternative who makes a better impression. We saw Esterhuizen employed a few times at 12 and at best he was solid, proving just how more effective DA is. Kerevi makes the impressions he does because he plays the game like DA does, most of his effectiveness is the direct route using his physicality
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 00:01
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19 Jan 2023, 00:01#40
No Fruitloop I see the value in DA, in much the same way Rassie does and the majority of supporters out there The fact that a few ignorant fools on here don’t get his value is not my problem I mean you are stupid enough to suggest a forward could do the same job I’ll ask you this question. If DA is as useless as you make him out to be then why the fuck did 3 separate sources select him in their world side of the year huh? Are we all wrong and you few dumbfucks are right? No fucking test inside centre rips defences apart by attacking space - it just does not happen. This is a reality and why a 12 being effective physically is the answer Damn right I’d take DA over Kerevi, saying he is the complete package is bullshit - the guy plays it direct, there is nothing subtle or creative about him. Has very average hands As Will Greenwood said, you stop DA you stop the Boks and let me tell you Greenwood is a very astute rugby brain - and no that’s not because of his take on DA, but he sure gets DA.
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