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Started by Plum67 REPLIES1,493 VIEWS· 17 Jan 2023, 19:05
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Jan 2023, 00:14
#41
19 Jan 2023, 00:14#41
Ok, so no evidence then… It’s true because they say so.
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jan 2023, 00:34
#42
19 Jan 2023, 00:34#42

DDA is quite strong, but his direct route is always straight into opponents....then he goes to ground, a ruck is formed and usually a kick after that....he hardly runs clever lines or side steps to avoid contact or offload while being tackled....not a guy to spot space to put himself thru or Distribute Smart to put his Teammates thru....but then DDA is not alone to blame, do not Forgot Rassie having him play this Dumb 12 role....its not like Rassie is stimulating his sense to play expansively with his asinine Gameplan....no it's the same shit, just a different Day.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 00:38
#43
19 Jan 2023, 00:38#43
The evidence is virtually every game DA plays you dumbfuck Damn right because they say so, they see the same thing I do and it’s why they select him in their world sides of the year Those very selections continue to make a mockery of your utter ignorance when it comes to DA His strength is carrying in traffic but you fools see that as tractoring or better still, a forward could do the same job - geez how stupid are you? Seriously But to be honest Fruitloop who gives a fuck, DA is going nowhere as thankfully Rassie sees the huge value in the guy, much like I do There are no test 12’s stepping their way past defenders, so it’s about recognising this fact an finding an alternate way. That was is employing a skilful physical freak at 12 - queue DA
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 00:40
#44
19 Jan 2023, 00:40#44
Mpower stop being a dumbfuck - name a test 12 that regularly runs great lines - who are these 12’s huh?
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jan 2023, 01:12
#45
19 Jan 2023, 01:12#45

Kerevi, Jordie Barrett ( inside centre as off late, but way better than DDA) Henshaw, Gael Fickou,  Nick Tompkins, even Owen Farrell makes more of a contribution....and the list goes on.... getting picked for these so called XV Teams, means sweet blow all, if you cant get the job done on the field....that is usually the scenario with DA and even worse if you combine him with Lost Kriel....besides I have read up enough stats and the ones that is constantly here on Ruckers + Video Footage, to see that he is not the Best 12 for us or in the world.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 01:28
#46
19 Jan 2023, 01:28#46
Fuck me you are utterly clueless Some of the names you mention are not even fucking 12’s
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jan 2023, 01:57
#47
19 Jan 2023, 01:57#47

Oh ok, which ones then?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 02:05
#48
19 Jan 2023, 02:05#48
Jordie has hardly played 12, Farrell is a 10 who plays 12 really poorly and if you know what the fuck you are talking about you would know that Fikou plays 13 for France Nick Tompkins on that list is insulting to any rugby follower - he is utterly useless So according to you, the 3 different sources who selected DA as the best 12 in 2022 are wrong and you are right. But not only are you right, you have 6 players in your absolutely ignorant opinion ahead of DA at 12, with some of them not even playing test rugby and others not even 12’s Fucking joke of the year
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Jan 2023, 08:25
#49
19 Jan 2023, 08:25#49
Lol The culmination of Saffex’s evidence… He carries well into traffic and he is selected. And everyone else is a dumb fuck. Conclusion: We could replace DDA with any number of lose forwards in SA.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Jan 2023, 10:30
#50
19 Jan 2023, 10:30#50

Conclusion: We could replace DDA with any number of lose loose forwards in SA.

Fix it before your master our resident grammar queen gets here.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Jan 2023, 11:11
#51
19 Jan 2023, 11:11#51

Hey Saffex...here's your ideal 12.

Are you beginning to see how you've cornered yourself?


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 12:14
#52
19 Jan 2023, 12:14#52
Fruitloop you are too fucking stupid to realise that his selection in a world side of the year by 3 different sources makes a complete mockery of anything you have to say about DA I don’t need any more evidence than that to prove how fucking stupid and rugby ignorant you are It’s embarrassing telling the world how shit he is and he gets selected as the best in his position in the game - not by one source but by 3 You dumbfuck
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Jan 2023, 12:44
#53
19 Jan 2023, 12:44#53
Hard to tell if you feel cornered because you always act like you are ://
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jan 2023, 16:37
#54
19 Jan 2023, 16:37#54

I’d take any of Kerevi, Henshaw, Esterhozen, Willemse, Rohan and  a host of other centres who haven’t cracked their international teams yet ahead of Dud. Dud is the Cul de Sac. 


You could make a 50 metre break, be stopped inside the opponents 22 with their defense scrambling to get back in place….the ball comes out to Dud….he crashes into the first defender he sees, tractors for a few precious seconds and then gets put to ground.

But by now the defense has regrouped….we face a solid line of defenders and the prospects of a backline strike have dropped. So keep the ball in the forwards with more Dud-like runs and hope for a penalty. 

This is the Dud effect.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 20:36
#55
19 Jan 2023, 20:36#55
Fruitloop cornered by you??? Moz of course you would select virtually every centre out their ahead of DA as you don’t grasp the modern game
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
19 Jan 2023, 21:34
#56
19 Jan 2023, 21:34#56

Saffex, you are the only one here, besides Michael, who has literally denied video evidence of incidents of Damian making very negative contributions to the game. Damian started out as a 13, and ended up there a few times since. He was switched to 12 because he was horribly exposed on defence for having exceedingly poor decision making. He was never switched to 12 because he was excellent, but to conceal weaknesses. His most successful ploys have always been on getting him outside into space where he could crash a weak leverage on a defender taking him high. Damian is one of the weakest Bok defenders I have ever seen. Size does not equal strength and power. Damian is weak, and has no skills and even worse rugby iq.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jan 2023, 22:33
#57
19 Jan 2023, 22:33#57
No you dumbfuck I have counted ever bit of shit you pathetic lot post about DA It’s been easy pickings every time We can revisit them if you like - I’m more than happy to expose your utter rugby ignorance anytime You are a useless fuck I’m still waiting for you to provide me with evidence of a Bok coach who has had a better run than Rassie did But you are too chicken shit to man up and provide the evidence, for the simple reason there is no such evidence
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
19 Jan 2023, 22:55
#58
19 Jan 2023, 22:55#58

What's easy pickings? You have literally posted zero information to back any assertions. All we have is you saying some guys thinks he is the best in the world. That's actually rather weak, and cues me in to the fact that you either cannot think for yourself and you have no idea what you are talking about. Always the over emotional types. 

This was the closest thing to Damian having a good season, you tell me where this world class player is to be found. 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jan 2023, 00:01
#59
20 Jan 2023, 00:01#59
Doos I know you are fucking stupid but try grasp this. My take on DA has fuck all to do with what anyone else says - get it you stupid prick? My point regarding DA’s selection to 3 different world sides of the year is anything but weak you fucking idiot - those selections serve to highlight how fucking rugby ignorant you are Get this into your stupid ignorant head - no weak or average player is ever going to win the selection of a world side, let alone sides coming from 3 different sources A serious question, are you really this fucking stupid?
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Jan 2023, 00:27
#60
20 Jan 2023, 00:27#60

My take on DA has fuck all to do with what anyone else says... 

These people say he is the best and that's a fact...

Saffex, do us all a favour... 


Your little tantrums are becoming rather desperate. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Jan 2023, 08:38
#61
20 Jan 2023, 08:38#61
Through all of this, Saffex has only mentioned one attribute to support his case. “Running into traffic”. That’s it. The world’s best 12, one would think would have a plethora of easily discernible attributes. Let’s see if we can talk AM up as though someone was asking us to justify our opinion on him… Am is… Sharp on defence with excellent timing of his defensive plays and tackles. He organises the defensive line exceeding well. Excellent hands. Heavily involved in both WC final tries that won us the cup. A great support runner. Distributes well and with excellent timing. Has a good eye for danger and for attack showing that he reads the game well. Can pass both ways and has silky off-loading skills. See, when a player is actually good, one doesn’t have to dig very deep to find attributes that most agree with and that clearly stand out as making a player worthy. As you read the following names…it’s very easy to do the same for them…Marx, Eben, Pollard, Kolbe, Kitshoff, Thor, Mostert… Right, did you notice it too? As you read those names, their world class attributes immediately jump to mind. No magic or mental gymnastics required. …isn’t it strange that it’s almost impossible to do the same for DDA?
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
20 Jan 2023, 10:09
#62
20 Jan 2023, 10:09#62

Dave..... calm your tits ...

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Jan 2023, 13:25
#63
20 Jan 2023, 13:25#63
“Serious my bru…Daymeeyan is like nails china.”
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
20 Jan 2023, 14:21
#64
20 Jan 2023, 14:21#64

So Moz out of interest why do you think these 3 different sources picked him in their world sides of the year?

A bit of time, so more about this.

Different biases, flawed lines of thought may lead to the same conclusion. Achieving the same conclusion provides no guarantees (see for example the COVID crisis or the flat Earth)

All these sources share one common bias: at least one SA rugby player must be named.

Now these three sources show a large discrepancy on the number of SA rugby players (as stated already, a lot to be learned from players who are not named): it begs the question on how this player makes the list instead of other SA rugby players.

One potential answer: SA rugby lack of values are better embodied by this player over all the other SA rugby players.

Usually, when people state they love SA rugby, they do not love rugby. They love brutality, they love vice, they love callousness, they love hegemony, many amongst are nostalgic of the good old days of the Apartheid era.

Usually, these people would prefer a forward as the most representative of SA rugby lack of values.

This player's production on the field is atypical: it is very rough, monodimensional and lack many of the attributes expected from the position. Ironically, this gives him an edge over other SA rugby players as it takes a certain mindset to accomodate that interpretation of the position.

Only a rugby bent toward destruction, vice, brutality could lead to such a player.

As the ABs state, when facing SA rugby, one goes to dark places. This player embodies the thought.

So two biases:

First, at least one SA rugby player must be named.

Second, which amongst SA rugby players is the most iconic, the one who matches the most the image of SA rugby.

So this back line player over any forward as his reduction of his tasks fits better.

Free of charges.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Jan 2023, 14:24
#65
20 Jan 2023, 14:24#65
"Free of charges."
Also free of any relevance, anything of interest and any intelligence . . . as usual.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jan 2023, 15:43
#66
20 Jan 2023, 15:43#66

Actually I thought that was quite interesting from Trad, definitely original. Plum’s posting on attributes that spring to mind was very insightful and Trad’s mono dimensional concept covers some of the same ground.

That, however, leaves one with the impression that Dud is just a low contributor, one who doesn’t do much. I see him as much more destructive…on defense with his massive mental mistakes….and on attack because the gum he puts in the works takes away valuable time, allowing  defenses to reset.

Dud seems like a nice bloke, I remember him being the only Bok who walked with Jean as he was carried off the field after his terrible knee injury. I have no problem with him, except the effect he has on our backline play.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jan 2023, 15:54
#67
20 Jan 2023, 15:54#67
Oh Fruitloop you really are fucking stupid DA has it all, we have seen him best defender through skill, more than capable of making good breaks and he has good hands and a great defender My point and why he is regarded as the best 12 in the game is because he operates so well in traffic. Modern day test rugby is dominated by tight structured defences so 12’s operate mostly in traffic But fuck me I guess this is all beyond you and a twat like you is right and the public and those sources are all wrong You are beyond a joke
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
20 Jan 2023, 21:06
#68
20 Jan 2023, 21:06#68

Flip Saffex, the dagga is good tonight eh?


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