The Bok loosie incumbents

 Dan you can add Rhodes to that list of Stormers loose forwards. They have to rotate players and keep them fresh. One trust ou Alistaiir has at last twigged to this elementary fact.

Coetzee is a great tackler hower as Moz correctly pointed out he did not do more than that. He looks to me to be more of a 8 than a 6. Meyer being far far more astute than poor ou snapster called up Louw - who has been a lot better than brussouw. Louw was outstanding.

muncher pleese we are now in 2013 so we have to evaluate a player on current form rather than form displayed in a series against the Lions some years and and some injuries later. Noways did brussouw deserve a Bok spot last year.

We have a great loose trio whose only issue is a bit of a lack of pace. Hence on fast highfield tests maybe a faster loosie is required - its that simple.

 wehe squeaks wee rooitwit . Grow up rooitwit  you are running out of time!

Apparently Mrs Jalapeno/RooiAAS thinks Dave is cute. Perhaps that's because at 50 plus RooiAAS is getting a little slow. But by contrast, I would have thought Dave was a little young, even  for a frisky granny.

Moffie, whats with all these girls thinking I'm cute - bless me!!

Best of all we will now forever hear that Coetzee is not fast enough to make a cover tackle, after being outsripped by de Jongh a speedy back - oh boy, you are a classic.........it will be much the same with Taute at 13, he misses Dagg and for enternity will always be a poor defender in KKK's eyes.

Moffie likes to define players based on one incident - strange that it depends on the player involved though - Schalk gets slapped by Lambie - but hey Schalk is excused - he had a fly in his eye!!

Saffex

What I dislike about some things written on the board is - what I call one inicent or one match miracles.   De Jongh has done nothing of any value for over two years - Catrakillis created a gap for him and wonder above wonder - he scores a try.   Suddenly he is the hero of Mozart and Beeno and the saviour of our backline play.

That type of junk is what is really showing a problem with the insight of our members.   Coetzee was by a mile the best defending loosie of Super 15 2012 and also in the tests this year.   Statistics prove that over and over again.  However, he was not the finished model and Meyer decided to bring in Louw - also allowing Louw to help Coetee some aspects of the game - he is barely 21 and people forget that he is till very young.   Suddenly Coetee is no good and holy of holies he missed a tackle and must now be banished to hell for eternity.   

The myh that Coetzee is too slow is also bandied about - it really is junk - I can remember him scoring a try under the post showing real speed in the process/

I have a very high opinion of Coetzee and I still believe the best loosie combination we have is Louw at 6, Coetzee at 7 and Vermeulen at 8.

Yep, Coetzee first caught the eye with his running skills, it was good to see a loosie attacking defenders with the skill set of a back. The lad has good pace and a nice swerve on him. To say he is not quick enough to make cover tackles is nothing short of pathetic.

Meyer cocked up by playing Coetzee out of position at 6, when clearly he is a 7 or even better a 8. One usually plays a big physical player at 7, like a Alberts or Elstadt and the more skilful athlete at 8. I think Coetzee would make a good 8. Meyer played Coetzee at 6 over Brussouw as he maintained that Coetzee provided a more allround role - this is true but for the fact that Coetzee does not fulfill the turnover role and this is where he fell short and where Louw made a difference.

Saffex

Louw said that part of his role in the Springbok squad is to provide technical and skills development to Coetzee - and Coetzee confirmed as such.   I have no problem with Louw at 6 - he is a class act - but think that in some matches it would be better to have Coetzee at 7 and stick with Vermeulen at 8,  The only time I think that we should veer from that is in matches against England and Argentina - where heavier 7's help - at least in te first half of the game.

@mikey,

for me that Boks trio of 6 f louw, 7 m coetzee, 8 d vermeulen 19 w alberts is the best loose trio out there and is more than capable of handaling every type of opponents out there be it england or the All Blacks.

i understand where ur coming from with maybe selecting heavier loosies gainst teams like the pumas especially in the first half, but coetzee was the leading tackler in the 2nd pumas test last year and made the second most tackles in the first test, he was also tied for the most ball carried from a forward with alberts and 2nd over all with those two pumas tests.
IMO that tellls me that coetzee is more than capable of handling the bigger opponents on physical level, his stats also confirm what a lot of us have know all along, hes a better blindsied than an openside flanker.

i dont know why they would want to waste time by getting louw to devlop him for the role of No6, especially when he has the mental attitude to be the perfect 7.
if i was meyer, i would look for someone else to invest that devlopment time into like cj strander who was IMO the biggest fish that got away, SARU and meyer dropped the pooch on that one.
 

Spot on sas, Coetzee consistently had amongst the best stats both defensively and with ball in hand in both the S15 and tests he played in.

Meyer rewarded him by playing him out of position at 6 and then proceeded to drop to the bench and we wonder why with decisions like this we only won 57% of our tests in 2012.

I see Coetzee as a 7 or 8.

Agreed 100% on CJ Stander, big loss to SA and the Bulls. If Meyer had, had any savy he would have awarded Stander a Bok cap in 2012 - not a token cap, but a merit one. Hell we saw caps being awarded to the likes of J.Potgieter, Cilliers and Heinke v/d Merwe.

If Meyer only had any sense, he would have secured CJ's services ages ago. A Bok cap off the bench would have secured his future services for the Boks despite going off to play club rugby in Ireland - so simple really