SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jan 2025, 16:58#2
Difference is old powder puff makes nice little process tackles because he has not grunt to put in a dominant tackle
PSDT on the other hand made very memorable dominant tackles, the kind of tackles you would expect from a Bok tightforward
Good old powder puff is the saddest excuse for a Bok tightforward
15 Jan 2025, 18:08#5
"In total Dud Toit played 381 minutes, made 66 tackles and missed 12.
Mostert played 305 minutes, made 67 tackles and missed 2"
Franco played less time, made more tackles and higher success rate.
Very impressive…..no wonder Rassie rates him so much:)
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jan 2025, 18:14#6
PSDT would have made a few less tackles than Mostert if at all but many of his would have been dominant - so much so it had an impact in the final sending a very clear message
PSDT is not there to beat tackles fuck me when are you ever going to wake up to the role of a blindside flanker or lock - they operate in traffic - they are not there to step defenders. Do you see Eben running into defenders and smashing them out the way - no you don’t - it hardly ever happens in test rugby these days
The role is to gain forward momentum in the carry which is what PSDT, Eben, Lood, RG and Wiese do - it’s what useless Mostert can’t do
15 Jan 2025, 18:21#7
Total Bias BS on Mostert not being able to get forward momentum….:)
More than enough Video Material was put on here to prove his forward momentum.
You just have to look at him play…..
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jan 2025, 18:30#8
Oh what utter shit - I have never seen Mostert being dominant in a carry because he does not have the bulk to enforce himself physically - 2m and 112kg is your answer
There has been zero video evidence on here of Mostert carrying well in contact
Never going to happen
PLPlum
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15 Jan 2025, 18:54#9
I think it's safe to say that Mostert won the Boks the WC.
I'm sure we can all agree on that.
I really hope he's fit for the next WC too!
SASaffolk
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15 Jan 2025, 18:59#10
I thought it was the ref that won us the WC?
PLPlum
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15 Jan 2025, 19:06#11
Nah, it was defos Mostert
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jan 2025, 19:34#13
Nah if it was not the ref in our pocket it was down to Manie
15 Jan 2025, 19:41#14
The whole team played there part, but some more than others:)
SASaffolk
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15 Jan 2025, 20:43#17
You shone no light at all Moz - PSDT was one of our best players throughout as he is with every match he plays
SASaffolk
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15 Jan 2025, 21:22#19
Well there is a reason PSDT was named world player of the year post the WC
Manie is a Bok flyhalf
SASaffolk
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15 Jan 2025, 23:17#21
Bullshit that’s your warped perspective
Why would a SA player be on a popularity list? Quite the opposite
MOMozart
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15 Jan 2025, 23:51#22
They pretty much had to give it to a Bok…they prefer the quiet man Dud, to the combative man Etzebeth who is our one indispensable player and the best lock to play the game,
SASaffolk
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16 Jan 2025, 00:36#23
Ok so had they given it to Eben which I would have been more than happy with, PSDT was still one of 4 in the running for the award
You don’t win world player of the year twice being an average player that is an ineffective ball carrier
How the fuck you can rate Mostert and not PSDT is literally rugby madness
Most SA supporters would rank PSDT in their top 5 Boks ever
I would not but I do know he is a phenomenal player
PLPlum
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16 Jan 2025, 10:46#29
Dave doesn't rate Mostert because it would require a paradigm shift for him to show appreciation.
Mostert has been at the heart of both the best SA teams I have watched in the last ten years. He was heroic at the very dominant Lions.
Looking at how current SA teams are performing against European teams puts the almost perfect 3 seasons the Lions had in SR nicely into perspective. You know how hot that side was Dave, and you know Mostert was there doing it.
Onward to the 2019-2024 Boks, the other best SA side I've watched. And who do we find as Rassie's perpetual go-to...Sous. He's there again, and he's doing it again.
Dave, the problem here is your faulty interpretation of dominance.
In your view dominance is only asserted by running over people, and not by other metrics such as volume, etc.
But in the real world, the real numbers you see in front of you matter. When you add them all up you get = dominance total.
One last time. If you make less tackles you lose more ground, you give away some dominance.
I pointed this out to you previously, I even made charts for you.
...but you still didn't twig that dominance is not comprised of one metric only.
SASaffolk
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16 Jan 2025, 10:48#30
Um Moz wake up - you don’t beat defenders when you run into them - for crying out loud
His role is to carry in traffic - why is this beyond you?
SASaffolk
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16 Jan 2025, 10:53#31
Pakie and DA - the Bok side is a better one when Lood or RG are at 5
Mostert is a sad pretender incapable of imposing himself physically on attack or defensively
It’s not the job of a Bok lock to effect 12 process tackles a game. I’d much rather have a physical RG effecting 6 of those tackles and the remaining 6 by other players and in the process adding grunt to our forwards in every department
Fuck Mostert he is literally useless unless your measure of a Bok lock is making process tackles
16 Jan 2025, 11:10#33
Everything you say about Mostert, is in direct conflict with how Erasmus views and uses Mostert.
And Video and stats also don’t back your statements to be factual.
No amount of bad mouthing by you or Uncle Romulan will change the facts.
Catch 22 :)
16 Jan 2025, 11:33#37
Well, Moz is not my master and I view PSDT as a great player with his particular strengths.
Same counts for Mostert. Both of them do have there weaknesses to.
Therefore some of the things Moz is saying about Stef is true…I personally think that Lock is Stef,s best position.
But he does also have the attributes to play 7 well.
Me Moz, Pakie, DA and plum are way more openminded than you guys….. we have the abilities to see the good things about Pieter…..
But you guys are so bitter and bias, that you can’t even give Mostert a little bit of credit although he deserves much more….
I would say that is the big difference here…..
same counts for Rassie where things are seen more realistically….not like a bunch of Groupie Zombies that gulp everything up:)
Any case that’s my opinion:)
SASaffolk
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16 Jan 2025, 11:34#38
Mpower stop lying - show me video evidence of Mostert being dominant in a carry or making a dominant tackle
Lying carries zero weight
Agreed Rooi we can’t fault Mostert’s energy, durability and warrior instincts, it’s just a pity as a lock he has never had the physicality to back up all that heart and energy and for that simple reason I don’t rate him at all
I see through all the heart and energy, it’s the minimal physical productivity that defines him for me
For me a Bok lock has to be physical as a bare minimum