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The Fans Model for the World Cup

Started by DezertFox16 REPLIES305 VIEWS· 28 May 2015, 14:51
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DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 May 2015, 14:51
#1
28 May 2015, 14:51#1
  1. A 10 who cannot tackle and cannot pass, but runs everything on his own. Really a fullback. 
  2. A 12 who needs space, cannot straighten the attack. 
  3. A 9 who is a wing.
  4. A 13 with no experience and who has to prove themselves. Really a fullback. 
  5. No forward carries. Only backs can have the ball. 
  6. No crashballing, that's antiquated dinosaur rugby. We must run into space. 
  7. No kicking. Kicking is a waste of possession. We must keep the ball in hand, and the  run from deep. 
  8. We want no experience. The team must be hung, fresh and inexperienced. It's a team for the future, yet will and must perform now. Or else the coach is stupid.

Makes perfect sense really. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2015, 14:59
#2
28 May 2015, 14:59#2

An your model dumbass would be a donkey at 10 like Morne, a useless 12 like de Wet Barry and a little fart like de Jongh at 13 and wait for it, Jean on the wing and Kirchner at 15..............who is the real clown here?


Let me guess Pienaar is your answer at 9........or better still Cronje of the Lions......that would make perfect sense given the history of your ignorant calls  

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 May 2015, 15:07
#3
28 May 2015, 15:07#3
de Jongh runs sharp, crisp lines and tackles better than Damian. He also has better positional awareness. So yes, I would play him. My ideal 10 can defend on his own, pass off either hand with a range of passes, have good tactical kicking, make decisions when play breaks down or spot opportunities, direct play and hit the gainline hard. Granted Morné doesn't tick all of those boxes perfectly. He isn't going to charge into the defensive line as ferociously as a Butch or Pollard, but he can do it. Butch was the more talented of the three. Morné is more rounded than Pollard. Lambie ticks almost zero boxes. 

Your selections:

Pretorius, Lambie, Goosen, Cooper, Murray, Watson, DA at 13, JJ Reinach to name but a few... and all have failed!

A common theme? Can't tackle, cannot make decisions. Nice one... coach.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
28 May 2015, 15:19
#4
28 May 2015, 15:19#4
Now Ive heard it all...
Kirchner has outperformed Frans, Aplon, Lambie and until the 2013 EOYT Willie. He outplayed Folau twice and bettered him throughout the competition. So yes, I would play him without any regrets.

Are you serious...cannot believe it!



Here's a tribute to Kirchner

https://youtu.be/uE_MpQhgtQ8
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2015, 15:20
#5
28 May 2015, 15:20#5

de Jongh is not fit enough to tie de Allende's bootlaces.......de Allende is twice the player.


de Jongh is a complete physical liability in traffic and as a result was a complete flop at test level, look no further than his no show against England.


You want a 10 who can throw a long pass......what a joke........of the 10's in SA, Jantjies is best equipped to throw the long pass as his hands are second to none amongst our candidates at 10.


I wanted Jean at 10 you say......what an outright lie.......something you seem to thrive on.


Kirchner is nowhere near the same class as Willie......I would never have selected Lambie, Frans or Aplon as 15's


Lambie, Goosen, Cooper, Watson, de Allende at 13 and Reinach have NOT been flops......the biggest flop to grace our fields in the last decade has been Morne at 10 and hence our record with him at 10.....that says it all

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 May 2015, 15:27
#6
28 May 2015, 15:27#6
Morné has outplayed the Aussie 10s quite well! Has acquitted himself well, and the only 10 in SA who has matched him is Pollard. If you disagree then give some references to defend Lambie. The ball is in your court. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2015, 15:35
#7
28 May 2015, 15:35#7

Oh what utter bloody rubbish.....Morne has never come close to outplaying an Oz 10........what utter hogwash.


Imagine mentioning Morne in the same sentence as the delightfully talented Cooper and not to mention Foley of present.....you are delusional.


Morne has never outplayed any international 10 ever......he does not have the software or hardware to produce the goods other than his pedestrian kicking game or kicks at goal  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 May 2015, 15:50
#8
28 May 2015, 15:50#8
 Morne has outplayed who?  How come he is the regular bench flyhalf of Stade Francais?   If he cannot make the starting berth of Stade Francais is he really an acceptable flyhalf?  
    
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 May 2015, 15:57
#9
28 May 2015, 15:57#9
He is better than the Lambighini-pig that destroyed our EOYT! That's all that matters. You back the two worst performing 10s for the Boks, and completely excuse their shortcomings. What a farce you are .
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2015, 16:02
#10
28 May 2015, 16:02#10
Wrong Lestat, Mike has it spot on you are the fool who thinks donkey Morne was great.......the joke is on you. Just look up Morne's Bok record, it makes for poor reading  
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 May 2015, 17:11
#11
28 May 2015, 17:11#11
Morné has a good Bok record. You don't know Bok rugby very well Dave! Here's some free advice, if you find yourself in agreement with Michael... consult an exorcist and have those daemons cast out of thee. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2015, 17:34
#12
28 May 2015, 17:34#12

Lestat you could never rip anyone apart when it comes to rugby......not with ignorant views like you have......its impossible, you are easy pickings.


Morne's Bok record is poor and that's a fact  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2015, 17:44
#13
28 May 2015, 17:44#13

Mornes record confirmed.....he had an overall win record of 64%, which is piss poor........but the true test is against the major sides where his record makes very sad reading.


Played 11 against NZ losing 7


Played 13 against Oz losing 8


Played 2 against Ireland losing 1


Played 3 against the Lions losing 1


Played 3 against France losing 1


Played 4 against England drawing 1


Is that a good record then???? 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2015, 17:45
#14
28 May 2015, 17:45#14
Had the bottle to win the Lions series...won the TN.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2015, 18:03
#15
28 May 2015, 18:03#15

But has a 36% win record against NZ and a 38% win record against Oz......so no TN win will detract from the facts.


There have never been question marks against his kicking for goal, so the fact that he landed that kick against the Lions is par for the course.......its the rest of his game that is so damn poor hence the 36% and 38% above.


Those stats are shameful  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2015, 18:19
#16
28 May 2015, 18:19#16

Not if you bother to look behind the stats. A lmost every Aussie test went to the home team. The away wins in the TN were even at two apiece....that in a bad period for Bok rugby.

 

 

The only thing that looks like a negative is the loss in the WC where we were cheated by the ref. 

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
28 May 2015, 18:28
#17
28 May 2015, 18:28#17
I had no idea losses are only allocated to the fly half. What a complete perspective you have! When New Zealand defeated SA in 2011 by a record score it had nothing to do with Nonu running Lambie down. Or Lambie did nothing wrong on the EOYT. Definitely no bias here, yet its always the flyhalf (if Morné is playing). If the Boks still succeed then it was a "moral loss", even if they score many tries. A loss with Lambie, now that's progress. 
Sure. 
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