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Started by sharkbok51 REPLIES1,520 VIEWS· 22 Mar 2015, 19:37
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:05
#41
24 Mar 2015, 19:05#41
That's why they have judiciary hearings - due process is very important 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:12
#42
24 Mar 2015, 19:12#42
Checked YouTube for the incident and just found this one. It is not clear, but Messam does appear to have him in a stranglehold when they are both flat on the ground.  It is slow motion but it seems for ages that Messam is holding or chocking him.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:24
#43
24 Mar 2015, 19:24#43
 Yes SB, what pisses me off is that  normally reasonable people think this isn't that bad. This is very dangerous, it is way after the tackle. In fact he moved his arm to the neck after the tackle. On the ground where he is supposed to release the tackler. What the hell was he trying to do other than hurting the player. JW with respect to you as a person. Due process my arse!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:24
#44
24 Mar 2015, 19:24#44
I saw the footage during the game & afterwards when I watched the downloaded version.  Penalty or warning would be appropriate IMO. Players are always trying to slow the opposition so they cannot participate in the next play. If it was choking him rather than illegally holding him down then a card is appropriate not just a penalty. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:31
#45
24 Mar 2015, 19:31#45
 Maybe we should wait for Beeno1 & his good mate Beeno to give their opinions although remarkably they never seem to disagree 
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:35
#46
24 Mar 2015, 19:35#46
 @sharkbok,

"So Messam is guilty, but no punishment?
If someone is cited after the game, I thought if they were found guilty they would be punished. (Ok you are guilty of murder or not paying a parking fine- but their is no punishment)."


this is because he was found guilty of "an act contrary to good sportsmanship" which is not penalized.
It would be like if you are guilty not of murder or not paying a parking fine which both are penalized but of, for example, not being polite with your neighbour. Do you know someone in jail for not being polite with his neighbour?
A very tendentious headline, by the way
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:45
#47
24 Mar 2015, 19:45#47
Abasque so if Messam was choking the player for ages- which appears to be the case- is this just being inpolite? 
If my neighbor and I got parking tickers in the road, I would expect both of use to have to pay them, or neither of us.

The Sharks player Botham may have been pretending that he was choked, but watching the unclear YouTube video it does appear as if he is being choked.
1. Why was Messam Cited? 
2. What exactly was he found guilty of doing?
3. If it was not clear why he was cited, was choking considered as the offence?
If it is not clear why Messam was being cited, then it is easy for him not to be guilty. 
It should be in the public domain what the charges and allegations are. Law and ethics need precedent to be transparent and accountable.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:47
#48
24 Mar 2015, 19:47#48
Chocking or just hol ding him down is the question. 
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
24 Mar 2015, 20:06
#49
24 Mar 2015, 20:06#49
 @sharkbok,

the SANZAR judicial which are professional people who work in interpreting the rugby laws and know about it, after watching all the avalaible footage in perfect quality (not the sh¡t that you posted, with all due respect but it's a sh¡t where it's imposible to see nothing) has found Messam guilty of "contravening Law 10.4 (m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship."
This means nothing. And is not punished.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Mar 2015, 20:25
#50
24 Mar 2015, 20:25#50
 Keep on bullshitting yourselves. He moved his arm to the neck area long after the tackle. He forced the neck back in a headlock. The siting was for a tackle infringement in the first place, which is BS. He got off light.He used both his arms in the end. Deliberately strangling the player. Wait till it's a precious AB on the receiving end. This is almost as bad as Moz trying to justify Bisfarts lowlife kick in the face of an oponent.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
24 Mar 2015, 20:41
#51
24 Mar 2015, 20:41#51
 really?
you see yourself able, after watching a single take which is a pure sh¡t where it's impossible to see nothing, to contradict what some experts in rugby laws have sentenced after watching all the avalaible footage about the incident in perfect quality?
you yourself, man
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
24 Mar 2015, 22:34
#52
24 Mar 2015, 22:34#52
 Abasquefan
I found a clearer video.  Have a look at the Sharks players face when he is being choked. 
Messam could have let go when they were on the ground. Instead he continues to choke hold.  As it is slow motion it is hard to see for how long, however he is certainly choking him. 
Otherwise the Sharks player could have recieved an Oscar from holly wood.  

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