BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2015, 19:21#2
Some good players in that list Dr Moz. C an you list them for us?
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 19:27#3
Nope, not one player on that list is destined to have a decent Bok career.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Apr 2015, 19:34#4
There are some that showed early promise, but sadly none came through.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2015, 19:39#5
Lomp is a very good young lock - 22 yeras old and 125 kg. ytou are wreiyting him off.Goosen also is still very youngat 22 and you are writing him off.Sorry its far too early to write them off.
I dont know how Quinn Roux is going or Stander but they were very good when here in Sa.Mvovo has improved and is far more physical and Lappies may yet make it
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 20:56#6
Lomp is not smart, that never changes. He is constantly confused by what's happening on the park. He may have decent physical assets, but if he doesn't have good software it makes no difference. Other young locks will surpass him, it's not a vacuum. Etzebeth by contrast gets it.
As for Goosen, he reminds me of JJ two years ago when you among others were telling me how wrong I was. I wasn't wrong, I was objective. Goosen is a lightweight chap who will never wear the physical aspects of the game at top level. He may be young but his malfunction can't be fixed.
We have to be ruthless about these decisions or the non starters spend years occupying good space.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:22#7
Now tell me Mozart - is Willem Alberts smart - Is Francois Steyn smart - is Morne Steyn smart - is Balkies Botha smart. That list is long and getting longer.
The other issue is the serious physical deficiencies of some players. Is Matfield at 105 kgs heavy enough to be a lock? Is De Jongh at 87 kgs an adequate 13.
The problem with the above is that the players you hate and where you write off their performances are all on that list and some of the statements made by you are laughable if not just plain lies. Liggies Labuschagne - recognized by most commentators as a very good loosie - weighs 108 kgs, yet you call him Liggies. A much heavier slow carthorse like Alberts - who is seriously deficient in defense - is your idea of a good loosie.
That list should include a number of your favourites and reads as follows:-
12 Francois Steyn10 Morne Steyn 7 Willem Alberts 5 Victoria Matfield 3 Jannie du Plessis All the above are has-beens or never-has-beens and their presence in the Springbok squad is an insult to the team and the country.
Your player assessments stink to high heaven because it is not based on objective performance assessment - but on your personal liking or disliking of players.
20 Apr 2015, 21:30#8
What do you know about being smart you lowlife skunk?
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:31#9
You mean Victor Matfield WC final MOM.....Francois Steyn 20 year old WC winning kicker.....Willem Alberts the man who snaffled the kick against the Poms to score a winning try that had the commentators flummoxed....Morne Steyn the guy who put one over from the half to beat the Lions and Jannie our only reliable tighthead for he last 6 years?
Are you ....hahaha.... saying those players haven't made their international mark? Are you comparing them to .....wehe....Liggies?
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:34#10
Skunks can be pretty elusive Vlag....Moronic is no match for a skunk.
20 Apr 2015, 21:43#11
I did say "lowlife" skunk. We are not dealing with a "normal" skunk here, Moz. We are dealing with the type who thinks nothing about having a bash at intelligence of ones dad, whom he does not know and never met and never will because he passed away more ten years ago.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:47#12
You are as dof as dose can possibly become - liars and scum of the earth. Kicking a goal is not necessarily clever - you stupid old wreck of the brain. Willem Alberts who has caused more losses of games than anybody else - being by accident in the right position and falling on a ball is not a sign of cleverness.
Why you dof dose don't you look at their career performances - not individual things that happened once in their career and are never repeated?
20 Apr 2015, 21:52#13
My, ou CleverSkunk, but you are agro, aren't you, you lowlife. I wonder whose family you are going to insult next?
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2015, 21:54#14
Not necessary to wonder - it should be clear as daylight to you.
20 Apr 2015, 21:58#15
You might find it funny but it is not. What would your reaction have been if someone said that your late father had only one brain cell, you f'king rubbish?
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2015, 22:03#16
Why would we comment on family members? Hasn't that lesson been learned so many times.
20 Apr 2015, 22:08#17
Nope. This stupid idiot has not learned that lesson. He is to low down the order to be able to learn that lesson. I don't know of you saw it but this is is what he said:
"Dink jou pa mag moontlik kwalifiseer vir wagdiens by the gestig -sodat hy die helfte van sy breinsel van tyd to tys aan jou kan leen. "
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2015, 10:59#19
Ceradunce
The reason I reacted negatively is that you and your fellow-idiot turned a thread into a vicious and nasty personal attack on me. You started it - not me. Mozart called players stupid and that reacted a question from me as to some of his and your favourite players - so now suddenly you are hurt by my comments.
Dave is right - this type of thread is a waste of a thread by idiots spouting absolute BS about a game they know zero about.
TTThe_Truth
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TTThe_TruthClub Pro471 posts
21 Apr 2015, 11:12#20
" Now if only HM had a record to back up his decisions..."
Winning percentages...
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21 Apr 2015, 11:16#21
@Mike. That was not "reacting negatively". That was purely as low as one can get. There was nothing nasty in that thread. I have showed you where and why I did not agree with your arguments and you could not convince me otherwise. There was no single shred of nastiness in that thread until you decided to attack the intelligence of my late farther, you f@cking swine.
21 Apr 2015, 11:38#23
Didn't we all agree that family was off limits? Please guys I am all for banter, but family insu lts are out of bounds. As Moz has noted, that lesson has been learned over and over again.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2015, 12:00#24
I apologized elsewhere for involving Ceradyne's father in the discussion - but what caused it is ignored by both Mozart and Him. Their constant personal attacks on me is what caused the problem in the first instance - I completely lost my cool.
When I tried a few months back to cool down the situation pertaining to personal attacks by both Mozart and Ceradyne it did not last long because they have a habit of personal attacks on this site which they cannot change. It mostly follows weak statements they made by queried. They broke the agreement on the issue repeatedly despite requests on my part to tone down and stop breaches.
It is back now to the situation where they tried to rule the site and if anybody disagrees with them they try and lord it out over them by becoming personally abusive.
21 Apr 2015, 12:06#25
BS. Where did you apologise? Which thread?
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2015, 15:58#27
Mozart
We had a detente and you broke it repeatedly despite pleas from my side not to do so. Eventually I did gave up on the detente and started to respond in kind. That is the fact of the matter. I did not break any agreement - you did.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Apr 2015, 16:15#28
Saying doesn't make it so Moronic. Your constant stream of lurid headlines, "dofddos" comments and tee hee provocations made any detente impossible. Stop whining, you played your full part.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2015, 16:25#29
BS - I did not - but then you think that whenever somebody differ from you it is not acceptable and the person is insulting you. I never insulted you for two months - but had to give up and respond in kind - because you started your insults after a month and when I pleaded with you to refrain from that you referred to one of my responses, which in fact was a mere difference of opinion without any insulting content at all.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2015, 17:20#31
Ceradunce
And someone also buggered around with my profile and wrote a contribution I did not make under my name and when I threatened that I would call for an investigation - the coward did not repeat it. On enquiry Beeno suggested that it is likely you - and I also think it was.
21 Apr 2015, 17:33#32
WTF are you talking about. Feel free to ask for any investigation. In fact, I challenge you to ask for such an investigation. Please do.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2015, 21:12#34
Mozart
I will not ignore the rubbish you write on this site - somebody has to counter it.
I tried to make peace and you gradually became as obnoxious as you normally are. I would never be a pest - because I prefer not to be like you.
