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The Kriel non yellow minute 61.18

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES975 VIEWS· 07 Nov 2021, 17:13
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2021, 17:13
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07 Nov 2021, 17:13#1

I figure if Erasmus can pick through the bones of a game, why not point out one ref mistake. It’s minute 61.18…Wales have the ball inside the Bok 10 metre line3 Bok defenders are bunched. Williams is outside with a clear run to the goal line. He points to the passer for a long over the top pass.


Kriel who is 10 metres inside him and faced inwards is the last defender. Kriel’s running backwards and reaches up one hand with no chance at all of catching the ball and knocks it down.


For some inexplicable reason the ref gives a ‘just a knock on’. But it wasn’t , not even close. Kriel had zero chance of catching the ball. 


A clear yellow and a penalty, which would likely have given Wales the game.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Nov 2021, 17:19
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07 Nov 2021, 17:19#2

Story of the season. The Plastiks have been suckered with this "they arez all against us" narrative. Quite manipulative of Josè, as it takes pressure off of him and reinterprets every test, even the losses. The Boks have never had so much swing their way in a season! Lots of knock ons by Mapimpi as well (looking shaky under the high ball). The Boks have been very fortunate as they've had either many yellow cards not given or reds given as yellow. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2021, 23:09
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07 Nov 2021, 23:09#3

I’m amazed this incident hasn’t blown up….to me it wasn’t even close relative to the calls we saw for deliberate knockdowns against the ABs.

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sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
08 Nov 2021, 00:08
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08 Nov 2021, 00:08#4
This was the moment when Kriel confirmed he does not belong on the park. While he was consistently poor throughout the match, he just looked like an amateur at this time slot. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2021, 04:56
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08 Nov 2021, 04:56#5

Meanwhile the SA Rugby Mag totally misses this and blames the ref for incorrectly calling offsides on the Mapimpi try. They circle all the players who pulled back, but miss Marx who took several strides forward in an offside position, before responding to Am’s efforts to get them to pull back. You don’t have to stay offside, just be offside.

Wrong again by the biased South African press….Erasmus has created an environment of one eyed whiners.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Nov 2021, 09:41
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08 Nov 2021, 09:41#6
In fairness, a lot of this is an overcompensation for being robbed in the past. It looks like there are quite a few channels now dedicating videos to reffing errors. I see that as a good thing because it brings attention to the fact that refs are all too often responsible for a team winning or losing. Hopefully it puts pressure on WR and the adjudication of the game we love improves as a result. Still, no matter how biased some Saffas are, we’ll never be as incapable of objectivity as the Kiwis have been for the last twenty years. There have been countless example of it right here on this board. Take your stance on all this, Moz…ever seen any Kiwi present an even remotely equivalent level of objectivity?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Nov 2021, 10:46
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08 Nov 2021, 10:46#7
" Hopefully it puts pressure on WR and the adjudication of the game we love improves as a result."
What do you expect WR to do? I posted this thread some time ago and nobody put forward any constructive suggestions . . . it's just the usual whining about how naughty the refs are without putting up any alternatives or solutions.
So I ask again, let's say you do manage to put put this pressure on Wor ld Rugby to improve refereeing, what would you expect them to do differently and what would you hope to hear them say?
Personally I believe this is as good as it gets. The top refs are the most competent and experienced refs we have and they're doing their absolute best. There's nothing World Rugby can do to improve the situation. All of you ref-bashing blubbering crybabies who burst into tears every time a ref gets it wrong can have as many channels highlighting reffing errors as you want but it won't change anything because the refs aren't perfect and neither is the TMO technology. 
Oh and it's not Rassie who's created this environment of ref-bashing whiners. Baboon-ou and many others have been snivelling and whining about the refs for decades. Baboon-ou has reached a point where he starts crying about the naughty refs and their bad decisions literally days before the game even kicks off.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Nov 2021, 11:00
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08 Nov 2021, 11:00#8
People asked the exact same questions prior to DRS in cricket and soccer. The result is that the use of technology has magically improved the performance of refs and there are less bad decisions made even before you factor in the the TV corrected ones. Perhaps the very first thing to do is to upheave the WR old-boys club that very obviously sees it itself as accountable to nobody. The fact that they think fans aren’t interested parties and therefore should not be privy to the Rassie hearings is a current and telling indication as to how they view themselves. That’s where I’d start. The same place one should always start when attempting to remedy a problem like this…transparency and accountability.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Nov 2021, 11:08
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08 Nov 2021, 11:08#9

Oh I see, so it's not the refs who are stupid and incompetent cheats, it's the suits at World Rugby? 

So keep the refs and change the people who pay their salary? Hmmmm . . . not sure how this will solve anything but at least it's got you off bashing the refs for a few minutes.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2021, 11:20
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08 Nov 2021, 11:20#10
Refs are human, wrong calls will be made on the field but there is no excuse for getting TMO decisions wrong given the footage and technology at their disposal That’s the frustrating thing for me The Duhan vd Merwe tip on PSDT, the Mapimpi non try that was a try etc etc etc
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Nov 2021, 11:33
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08 Nov 2021, 11:33#11
Rooi Did you notice where I said “perhaps the very first thing to do” and “that’s where I’d start”. Stop trying so hard to be contradictory. Edit: anyway, tit…how nice is this second part of the bull run shaping up?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Nov 2021, 11:52
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08 Nov 2021, 11:52#12

Dave, watch any game of rugby or football and you'll see people arguing over 50/50 TMO calls just as much as if the technology wasn't there. 

The TMO should resolve the majority of decisions but there will always be close calls requiring a certain amount of interpretation that cannot be resolved no matter how many times you view the video or hold up the game.

If you want a recent example, just go take a look at the VAR footage of the Tottenham vs Everton game yesterday where Hugo Lloris brought Richarlison down. They played that video countless times and the panel after the game still couldn't agree on whether it was a penalty or not. T he same thing applies with a lot of rugby calls, especially forward passes, players supporting their own weight, scrum penalties and many others. The TMO calls are still open to interpretation that not everyone will agree with, but personally I'd rather have VAR/TMO than not have it. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2021, 12:50
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08 Nov 2021, 12:50#13
I hear you but just feel far too many obvious wrongs are not picked up by the TMO these days
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2021, 12:54
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08 Nov 2021, 12:54#14
With reference to the yellow against Kriel - I disagree there is no way that should have been a yellow Evidenced by the Oz 13 against Scotland yesterday where his one handed attempt to intercept worked
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Nov 2021, 14:31
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08 Nov 2021, 14:31#15

"Evidenced by the Oz 13 against Scotland yesterday where his one handed attempt to intercept worked"

Agreed Dave... this is something I have previously said is a stupid rule... 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2021, 16:43
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08 Nov 2021, 16:43#16

It wasn’t an attempt to intercept….his other hand never even attempted to engage the ball. He just stuck  up a hand. Say this is okay and knocking down any pass is okay and rugby as we know it changes.

The Mapimpi non try was technically correctly called. Marx advanced into the 10 metre area around the ball ahead of the kicker…..before being called back by Am. Marginal….in the complex world of rugby rules it could probably have been given a pass. But technically correct.


But if we want to play micro ….did Mapimpi have any realistic chance of catching the ball. No. Did he make contact upsetting the Welsh players chance to catch the ball? Yes. Did he then pull back on Adam’s jersey hindering his chance to get back to the ball. Yes. Was that different to the Daly pull back in the Lions series. Maybe but to what degree?

Is this where we want rugby to go? A series of boring reruns of minute detail. This is where Erasmus has sent us.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Nov 2021, 18:40
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08 Nov 2021, 18:40#17

Unter is all about his hero Josè. Nobody makes a mistake except Mostert, everything is prefect and nobody can do any wrong. He thinks he is level headed and rational. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2021, 19:49
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08 Nov 2021, 19:49#18
Good on Rassie for wanting better officiating - given he exposed so many errors in one game which WR have agreed on, it’s simply not good enough at this stage. I have no issue with a ref making an error on the field but there is no excuse when the TMO gets it wrong that often or simply not making calls at all
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2021, 19:55
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08 Nov 2021, 19:55#19

So you want a rugby test to be a 3 hour marathon where there is still disagreement ….like the Mapimpi “try’”…after all that time. And if you are Rassie you only review the calls that you can claim went against the Boks. Got it!


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