The last leg: Springboks Remaining Matches

So looks like we have 4 matches remaining before this mix bag of springbok rugby ends. We'll get a break until next year before we see the boks back in action. I assume it won't be until June 22 before we have our next crazy run until France 2023. 

Right now Niena win record is 5 from 8. NOT what we expect from the world champions and we should have at least beaten Aus in the first game, but that is in the past. If you take Georgia out of the equation  it drops down to 50%

With our final NZ game, Can Niena and co rescue the remainder of the season and put the boks back on track. 

Remaining Fixtures

2 Oct - NZ 

6 Nov - Wales 

13 Nov -  Scotland

20 Nov - England

I would have preferred if we had an 80% win ratio, not what we have right now. 

No excuses as the team have had plenty of time together and there is no reason for them to play so poor. 

Lets see if Niena can get the boks back on track

5 from 8?...I count 5 from 9 .

First Oz test and wee abs test could so easily have been wins. BUT that would not have stopped the drivel from flowing. Nothing will.

Since when have the Bok supporters been satisfied with "could so easily have been wins"?

And the  third Lions test could so easily have been a loss… woulda, coulda, shoulda!.

We are on our first 3 game losing streak since the YE tour in 2016. Our win/loss record in 2017 was 7 and 4 under Coetzee. Dropped to 7 and 7 under the first year of Harrassmus. Will we beat that success this year?

"Our win/loss record in 2017 was 7 and 4 under Coetzee. Dropped to 7 and 7 under the first year of Harrassmus. Will we beat that success this year?"

Who knows?..., but it's totally absurd comparing these two seasons ....the context is totally different...nothing in history comes  even c lose.

Are we not playing Argentina? Also, why do we hardly ever play Ireland anymore?

Ja, I don't accept Niena excuses, the guys have a lot of time in camp to 'gel'. They should be telepathic by now. Instead, Faf and Pollard have turned into robots that only knows to kick the ball away. 

Wales and England will be hard to beat. 

We should want to win all of our games. 

Corn there you put your finger on the crucial difference between the ABs and the Boks since readmission. The ABs start every game with the absolute intent to win the game. We start many games with the excuses already in mind.

That mental difference has dogged us through many years of our rugby and I think was only absent under White, who is a competitor, win or lose.

Ja Mozart,  I'm waiting for us to go on our 17 run winning streak like we did under Mallet way back when. That was an awesome team but we did that by beating the all blacks in Duneden. Brilliant move by Honyball to get Slapchips through a gap. 

I think we could do with Mallet or a coach that wants to score tries and not play off 50 / 50 bounce of the ball. 

This bullshit that bash it up Rugby is in our DNA. We've had so many fantastic outside backs over the year. Danie Gerber, Ray Mordt, Carel Du Plesis, Marious Joubert, Paulse, Habana to name a few. 

It is just dud coaches that wants to minimise damage that goes for defence and disruptive rugby.  

I think we have all of the right people, the strategy seems to work most of the time but there is no killer instinct that want to attack. 

Also, back to Mallet. He coached Boland and actually got them really far in the currie cup and when the currie cup was still competitive. But he instructed not to kick the ball at any time. 

I almost feel that the boks just need to say, right, if we are in the 22, just don't kick or you are dropped for the next game

Never fear folks the Springbok "Coach" appeared on TV and said he was pleased to see that the "PLAN" worked in the game against the AB's.

Perhaps someone should mention to him that the object of the game of rugby is Winning.

So we can all look forward to the Boks wiping the AB's out this week-end.....with COVID allowing the game to proceed as mentioned on BBC.

Plus on the strength of the "Coaches PLAN" is it worth a gamble on the side.

Please advise, but be kind.

What utter horse sh!t!!!

The plan worked to lose?

Just found this list 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Africa_rugby_union_test_matches#1990s

Man that team of Mallet was Amazing, few very close games but what a team we had back then. Don't think many of our current players live up to them and they also were able to still score tries. 

Niena just uses process rugby. No thought into the game. 

DbD you can watch coach N on Utube if you don't believe me.

You didn't include 2011, 2018 and 2019 into Krutch's percentage. Remember, he does the actual coaching. 

Inside the 22 if you hold onto the ball, put the defence under pressure, a penalty is quite likely. That sets up a maul which is probably 50/50 for a direct or subsequent try. Why go for a box kick which has much lower odds, unless you are doing it under advantage.

But why cant we do what we did in 1960 and in 2009, bring the blindside wing into the line flat out. If the timing is right you make the pass if not you reset. Is that really too risky for Harrassmus?

"DbD you can watch coach N on Utube if you don't believe me."

Sorry Arthur, I believe what you said...the horse manure comment was for the coach's comments...I'm not a big critic of him and Rassie, but some of their excuses are just plain BS. They should own up a bit more to their mistakes.

Ja, I'm just trying to figure out who that team was, but we had really big fast backs with Ball skills. 

Honriball wasn't the best kicker, which probably forced us to play more ball in hand. We also had Jannie De Beer, 5 drop goal king to knock smug Clive Woodward out of the world cup. 

I think we had the following players

1. Os Du Randt
2. Dalton? 
3. ?
4. Mark Andrews
5. Krynow Otto
6. Ruben Kruger / Krige
7. Andre Venter
8. Gary Teichman
9. Joost van der Westhuizen
10. Henry Honiball
11. Pieter Russouw
12. Johan Muller
13. Andre Snyman
14. Paulse / Small?
15. Percy Montgomery

Rassie Erasmus was the usual #6; it's Pieter Muller, not Johan (and Dick Muir played a few games) ; Adrian Garvey was the tighthead; Stefan Terblanche played most of the games at 14 and no need for a question mark for James Dalton, he played in every one of the 17 consecutive victories.

That was a pretty big and fast backline we had, all over 6ft except for Percy, maybe just made it. 

But they could play, held up the ball, pop passess, none of this tractor Rugby we see now. 

Remember bullet being carried over the try line by two locks and a little frenchman clinging onto Daltons shorts trying to stop the try. 

Or remember the boks coming back against the all blacks in the last 10 min to score two or three tries and win. 

The boks weren't afraid to attack. 

Rassie and Niena are so afraid the guys will knock the ball on and concede turn over. 

Train the guys then not to!!!!

Amusing, as usual.

The thread was started as prospectives against the future and quickly devolved into sinking into a past that never were.

SA rugby has no future. People by clinging to it only prolong the agony.

The addiction is deep and overwhelming.

Trad, we hold this team against higher standards and slumping to 3 in a row, possible 4 is unacceptable for the world champs

Higher standards like what. Biting, stampeding, eye gouging etc

If those are the ones then it is agreed, current crop is inferior to past crops. But that's talking about elements that do not belong to rugby and will never belong to.

For rugby, current crop is on line with past crops.

Lem was the Lambie of his day; overrated. Granted more physical, but overrated. Lets take the 1999 RWC All Black encounter: 5 missed tackles, 4 turnovers conceded. 0 breaks or defenders beaten, no offloads. Big games; big performances. This one was another myth. I bet film review will find a breach between that combination. 

3 was Adrian Garvey as stated above.

Augenhoffer, you are showing your age. Probably never even watched these games live as you were still sucking on your mums tits. 

Dig up stats on the wc 1999 bronze medal final to try and show your knowledge. Don't forget that we actually beat the all black in the bronze final. Honiball was injured for the quarter final but Mallet kept De Beer in for the Semi's, he was less effective as they shut him down and De Beer is a player that stands deep in the pocket where as honiball would take it up to the line. 

It wasn't just his defence but the fact that he wasn't afraid of contact and could get our backs away. Go look at a few highlights reals of those games and them come back after you stop sucking your dummy

Oh, being physical is in our DNA! Bah! 

Our pack was being pushed backwards, Honiball break the line at will, good pop passes , angles and running it from deep

SA rugby have it easier than shown.

WA will face NZ before playing SA, SCO will face AUS before playing SA (one day off less) and EN will face AUS before playing SA.

In this context, considering how the scheduling is biased in favour of SA, anything but three wins must be put under investigation.

Not about the way and style, mere results.

WA will go in being diminished by their match about NZ titans while SA will be able to go in fresh.

Big advantage for SA.

SCO will come from a difficult encounter against AU as their starter while SA will come from a game against diminished WA.

Another advantage.

EN vs SA could be the most levelled encounter of  all the three as EN may face a diminished AU.

Still an advantage for SA.

Nevertheless, as it is often the case, the tour program favours SA.

So nothing less than three wins is expected from this easy table.

kingcorn, don't encourage Omlett (Augenoffner) by responding to his ignorant and irrelevant rubbish. Most people treat him as white noise. 

Henry Honiball was a legend. One of my favourite players ever.

I watched that entire youtube clip, man those guys were amazing, even for todays standards. Noted a couple of high shots on Skinstad by Marshal to the head that would have been straight red today. 

That was probably one of the greatest games I ever watched. 

The boks can  play attacking rugby, we have the players, they are very athletic and have the skills. 

Just shows his true rugby knowledge.  Those that watch Honiball played knew how valuable he was. 

Did you see his line breaks. Doesn't have the pace of Pollard but he could cut the line

After watching Teichman stopped easily a metre out, it was good to be reminded of the sheer talent of Skinstad powering through 3 AB tackles to score.