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The mystery of the All Blacks’ rubbish scrum; By Roy Isbister, the ROAR

Started by Just_win12 REPLIES320 VIEWS· 03 Aug 2015, 08:57
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Aug 2015, 08:57
#1
03 Aug 2015, 08:57#1

Following last week’s terrific Test match between the All Blacks and Springboks, I was surprised by the number of subsequent articles that referred to the marked superiority of the South African scrum.

As the days went by, this became a progressively more annoying pebble in my shoe, as it didn’t tally with my take on the game.

To be sure, there was one point in the first half where the All Blacks scrum did get marched backwards. And then, after Sam Whitelock was sinbinned but before the uncontested scrums, South Africa took proper advantage of the weight of numbers. However, apart from that I had thought things relatively even.

So, armed with my trusty fast-forward and rewind buttons, I had another look at the match scrums up to the point of non-contestation. And this is what I found…

During those 61 minutes there were 12 scrums, of which six were fed by each team. Apart from the one scrum where it all went horribly wrong for New Zealand (scrum 3), and the two scrums at the three-quarter mark where it was seven-against-eight, things were, as I had thought, largely even.

There were three (other) collapses, but of those only one was reset, with the referee waving play on for the other two. And the All Blacks gave away one free kick for early engagement.

On the whole, the scrummaging was positive, for which both teams, and the referee, deserve praise.

Which suggests the problem of scrum 3 was a momentary lack of concentration rather than an ongoing problem.

In fact, in a couple of other cases the All Blacks had the better of it, most notably on scrum 6 where they moved forward and got the left side up with a very useful second shove, allowing Kieran Read to make a strong charge off the back.

But what I also noticed when I went back was that the South African commentators – Matthew Pearce and Bobby Skinstad – formed an early opinion that South Africa were well on top in this facet of play, and then repeatedly talked about this ‘dominance’ for the rest of the match.

For example, the commentators responded to scrum 6 (the best All Black scrum, mentioned above) with “good pressure from the South African scrum”, and “not allowing the All Black scrum any momentum.” Read’s ensuing charge was then presented as recovering a bad situation.

I was watching in the UK, but if this was what the rest of the world was also ‘enjoying’, I wonder if Pearce’s and Skinstad’s ‘enthusiasm’ for the South African cause had a wider impact on how the scrums were perceived.

I didn’t pick up on this when I was watching live, because after about 30 minutes I could take the commentators’ cheerleading no more and hit the mute button.

I am aware that commentary-bias is a problem in many countries (including my own), but as has been the case recently in Australia, the commentary on this occasion was truly dire.

My absolute ‘highlight’ was when Pearce felt moved to say: “Can’t wait to see a driving maul, Bob. Frankly, the All Blacks don’t enjoy it much.”

Sorry Matthew, but if I want to listen to people in a pub while I watch a rugby match, I can go to a pub. When I am listening to a ‘proper’ rugby commentary, I expect something a little more sophisticated.

Well fear not, dear reader, for I know the way forward, and it is not difficult or complicated. With Justin Marshall, for example, in the commentary box, either in addition to or instead of Skinstad, the problem would have been solved.

Having both nations ‘represented’ would at one stroke get rid of the worst excesses, and with any luck would lead to more enlightenment all round. Please, Sky, you know it makes sense.

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
03 Aug 2015, 09:05
#2
03 Aug 2015, 09:05#2
Like I said these experts seldom get it right! Just note my exposé o n Damian. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Aug 2015, 09:09
#3
03 Aug 2015, 09:09#3
Yes, we all have to tolerate the "local commentary bias" but it seems the Ozzies & in SA Skinstad take this to new levels. At least the Ozzie have a sense of humour.
The SA commentary team have their pre-set mind set and that is that the Boks forwards are dominant in the scrums and the line-outs and that the rolling maul also a dominant weapon which ABs and kiwi teams in general cannot defend. It takes them forever to figure out if this is the case in a live game and they stick to their opinion regardless of events on the field. All under the heading of appealing to the home crowd. 
The rolling maul was not a significant factor in the Boks arsenal in the last test. The scrum was pretty even - it did not influence the game one way or the other except for the uncontested scrums which were a disaster for the game. The commentary team were completely lost about the rules and what happened on the field as it relates to the un-contested scrum. 
The line-outs, from memory the Boks lost three of their own throws. The commentary team were completely lost when the ABs negated the rolling maul by not making contact with the Boks. They could have made the point that in their opinion contact was made by Coles, at least this would show they understood what wa s going on on the field. They were completely lost and irrelevant. 
There was plenty to be positive about for the Boks in this game, i.e. the way the backs played and overall the forward performance was fine. I wish the commentators would raise their game and comment on what is actually happening on the field.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Aug 2015, 09:39
#4
03 Aug 2015, 09:39#4
 Skinstad's softness on the rugby field is matched by the softness between his ears.SA's answer to Phil Kearns....
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
03 Aug 2015, 09:59
#5
03 Aug 2015, 09:59#5
 Bill McLaren was the best by a long margin ,the Richie Benaud of Rugby Commentary I still remember him from when I were a wee laddie .
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Aug 2015, 10:35
#6
03 Aug 2015, 10:35#6
 Jawellnofine, our commentators are mediocre & like our team, contenders for a wooden spoon . As for Bill Mclaren, I've Scottish friends that hated him ...... they reckon many of us foreigners were seduced by his lovely Scots voice as opposed to his commentating abilities, which they regarded as bollocks .
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
03 Aug 2015, 13:42
#7
03 Aug 2015, 13:42#7
The Aussie commentators on Fox are the best I have ever heard. They have their moments of bias, but are the only two who can sum up play in detail and talk technically about the game. The SA commentry is the worst I have heard in any sport. It isn't just Skinstad, it's all of them! Stransky is a horror show. I find it so shocking that not one of them, ex-Boks, can pick out even basic things. Such as the actual player involved in a situation. They call out the wrong players frequently! 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Aug 2015, 16:40
#8
03 Aug 2015, 16:40#8
More denialism from the kbbs. When will they simply accept the nz scrum.tradionally has too much lard and too little muscle. How could it be.otherwise given the poor scrummaging of their lardy Super 15 sides. Beeno sounding a realistic note. Bobby has more brain power than the entire wee abs side. Blob would you mind not playing the nz apologist role already their denialism has reached epic proportiond and they do not need egging on. Thanks.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Aug 2015, 18:12
#9
03 Aug 2015, 18:12#9
 Beeno: scoreboard  dominating one aspect of the game (even when this is true) is not sufficient.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Aug 2015, 21:41
#10
03 Aug 2015, 21:41#10
 JW our starting 15 B side dominated the game. Provided Meyer gets it right the RWc will see the return of the King and! the defeat of the orcs
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Aug 2015, 22:00
#11
03 Aug 2015, 22:00#11
Beeno: so we agree that the Boks are a B team
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
03 Aug 2015, 23:47
#12
03 Aug 2015, 23:47#12
 Desert Faux ,mate you have no credibility now after after nominating the Aussie commentators best in show .Even if you dont mean Marto and fark-nuts Kearns .
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
03 Aug 2015, 23:56
#13
03 Aug 2015, 23:56#13
They are the most knowledgable of the commentators I have heard. They can follow play very well a nd give good insights, none of the others can do that. Not a single one.
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