....I think it’s pretty obvious South African coaches knew what they were doing when they passed on these two duds. Stamp’s reputation was made when he was the designated runner....and he ran, hardly ever breaking a tackle or offloading a ball. Now that he’s not the designated runner he almost invisible
As for the Quince.....it’s puzzling, I’ve seen better locks come off the bench for the Kings.
Mozart
As obsessed you are with Erasmus so are you with Stander - a ten times better loosie than some of the duds Meyer and Coetzee came up with. Stander was a loss to SA Rugby and is still a key player in the Irish team. Roux was no favorite of mine - but he is playing for Ireland now and there is nothing you can do about it other than to repeat your repetitive garbage.
Mozart always agreed with twaddle Meyer spread and he never differed f rom that "rugby genius" he believed Meyer was.
Best attack since 2007, best home record and continually ranked 2 in attack output. Built depth which Coetzee and Rassie benefited from. Compare Meyer's first two years (having to rebuild) to that of Rassie (whose 2018 was worse than the 2017 that got his predessor sacked. Nyet, Josè Erasmus has no record of excellence at any level of the game. Leans heavily on his crutch, Nienaber.
Dave
The crucial point is the scoring of tries and by which component of the team the tries had being scored - this aspect the village idiot never mentioned, He keeps on referring to stats, but is too stupid to understand and interpret stats.
He praised the two coaches who failed miserably as club coaches so much so that they were fired by their clubs for gross incompetence as being top class coaches on test level. The Village idiot is pathetic which I would call a joke in bad taste.
Really? What were the opposition in 2019? The worst Wallaby side in 45 years, and the most vulnerable All Black side since 1998. Argentina were a way off their 2018. 2019 comes down to a win against Australia, a win against Wales in the semi, and the win over England in the final. That's it. The only credible performance was the WC final, in which players you wanted to be excluded from the squad carried the team to victory. It couldn't be funnier.
2012 to 2013
W: 17 (70.8%)
L: 5 (20.8%)
D: 2 (8.3%)
2018 to 2019
W: 17 (65.4%)
L: 8 (30.8%)
D: 1 (3.8%)
Meyer's away record was better, and we were only beaten twice at home in four years (two to NZ). In fact, up until the first Wallaby test of 2014, only NZ could beat the Boks. We were consistently second in attack output throughout that period, and reached a peak in the midway point where we were even first in several categories.
Rassie's Boks have consistently ranked bottom of every statistical category in both seasons. It actually regressed as his tenure continued, with more limited ideas and safety-first kicking. If we break kicking down per zones, Rassie's Boks are the first Bok side to consistently kick ball away in the oppositions half, especially in or just outside the red zone. Any slow ball is kicked away, and there is a very predictable pattern to play throughout (these same shapes and patterns persisted in until the final. Follow the distribution chain and mini-units. I have logged these.)
As per tries scored? How many more times must I cover this? To compare tries scored across eras one must look at tries scored by all teams. Tries have increased sharply post 2015. What was once scored in 2012 isn't the same as 2018. I actually posted the full set of data for every Rugby Championship season as well tackle stats for both the RC and Super Rugby, thus showing a definite trend. Are the current Boks in sync with the trends of the game? No. They stick out like a sore thumb. Meyer's Boks accounted for a larger share of tries scored in his tenure than that of Rassie's Boks. This is actually a very poor platform to argue for Rassie, as it draws into view the stagnancy of his model, which mirrors that of his Stormers sides.
Listen dud
The sore thumb you posted lost track of two things winning the RC - the first time ever in a WC year - and winning the WC by demolishing the favored English team. Meyer's away record was better than what? That is a joke in bad taste, losing or drawing against Argentina playiong away - or beating them by narrow margins were not having a better record.
Your calculations and percentages are jokes as well. After the destruction caused by Meyer and Coetzee Erasmus inherited a dispirited and lost group of players, He had to rebuild their self-confidence and find replacements to fill gaps in what was ultimately the WC squad of 2019. He experimented with a lot of players in 2018 in tests he did used as trials, eg -
* the Washington test against Wales - where only five usual test players were used; and
* the 3rd English test in June 2018 after the series was won,
He even used the dud in thinking Esterhuizen in some games and that says a lot, He also succeeded in beating New Zealand away - something never achieved by Meyer. He was clever and send the main team members to New Zealand and used some returnees to beat the Aussies by a huge margin in 2019 in SA, In 2019 the team drew with New Zealand and beat the Argentinians easily in Argentina - something Meyer never achieved, ,
However - in all the games lost by Erasmus the losses were against top-rated teams and not like Meyer's and Coetzee's specials = losses against Japan and Italy away and Argentina at home. Meyer's success is largely due to the fact that there were no rated teams in the June 2013 at home tests - the games were against Italy, Samoa and Scotland and for evaluation purposes representing a joke.
I pointed out to years which could be compared statistically on a realistic basis - namely 2012 and 2018, as well as 2015 and 2019. In both cases Meyer failed badly - eg scoring of tries and winning of trophies. For the rest there is no comparisons that could statistically be used to evaluate performances as coaches,
In any event - Erasmus is world wide accepted as the top coach in the world and Erasmus and Coetzee were fired by their clubs for gross incompetence. You still have not explained to us how a failure of coaching on Club level can result in them being successful test coaches on international level. If you can provide a reasonable explanation for that anomaly one can look at your explanation as to what happened more deeply.
The main problem with Meyer from the start was his teams elections - he was totally clueless as to that component of his duties, The end result was a classic - going to the WC in 2015 with a squad containing 8 unusable players, The result after the Japan disaster was that he had to use the usable players in all the subsequent tests and by the end of the WC they were exhausted and poor, Erasmus rested most players and only use the key players in crucial matches in the WC or had them on the bench. Meyer selected players on reputation - Erasmus based his selection on proven performance, Huge difference that one - bearing ion mind that Meyer was given a virtually unlimited budget by Stade Francais to recruit players and ended up with rubbish he should never have contracted,
In the meantime I leave it to you and Mozart to come up with the rubbish you always spout on site,
Rugby Championship Comparison:
https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/augen-ffner/rugby-championship-comparison/30195
Rugby Championship 2012 & 2018:
https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/augen-ffner/rugby-championship-2012--2018/28065
Coaching Depth:
https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/augen%C3%B6ffner/starting-from-scratch-/28189
Worst Wallabies:
https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/augen-ffner/wallabies-attack-worst-in-almost-40-years-statistics-reveal/30198
Willie Under Meyer vs Rassie:
https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/augen-ffner/another-bloody-nose/31197
"And stop lying about players I wanted discarded in the WC - the only ones I had little faith in were Frans Steyn, Mostert and Louw - they hardly won us the cup now did they you lying prick"
You were against Beast, Thor, Frans, Mostert, Louw, Am. There was even a time where you were ready to discard Pollard for Lambie. All the big-time performers, you berated. Without them, we don't even make the final.
Yes you did say that Beast should retire. You repeatedly told me that Kriel was better than Am. Your big picks don't make the contributions. Louw was the second best pilfer under Meyer in the game. He showed that ability numerous times, such as his three turnovers against France in 2018 to salvage something from the EOYT and his key steal against Wales.
Kolisi has no production at test level outside of a handful of runs since 2013. Kwagga was exposed against New Zealand. Not better than Louw. Kriel, Venter, and Carr are just names you cite to pad your lists.
Schreuder was the best rated 9 in South Africa throughout 2018 and 2019 with significantly higher output than any other candidate. He also has much better fundamentals, such as passing and kicking. Your big call, Reinach entered the World Cup against minnows and could barely hit a short ball to a one-off runner coming around the corner. Where were those kicks. This sounds so much like the Watson bubble pop. You are a very funny man, made all the more amusing by how seriously you take yourself.
AO
I checked the stats you gave and it was totally fraudulent, The first two aspects I checked was total BS. If you want to use stats to prove anything make sure you do not make up your own stats - use the real stats otherwise you shoe yourself up to be a fraud.
Stats provided by SANZAR and ESPN. Ende.
What was Reinach's production for the Boks? Faf? He can't pass or kick accurately. He is Januarie 2.0. Tough, nuggety and competitive. The SH doesn't possess great 9s.
Morné? The most successful and productive 10 in Bok history?
Morne knocked Jaws onto his backside. Let’s get back to the two losers Stampkar and Quince.
The Irish became a very lateral team because of their inability to punch through the line. At their best they were fast, very efficient at the breakdown and had the most oppressive line speed in the game. A roving team. Stampkar failed to provide the necessary muscle the way Potgieter helped the Waratahs. Another of those Steph types, unsophisticated and languid, lack of raw power . A myth.
AO
It is the ESPN stats that I checked and found that you falsified it. Try again dimness - we all by now know that you cannot be relied on to use stats to prove anything since you are fraudster,,
Morne in defense was a disaster - look at the Perth test of 2014 as an example - 8 tackles made and 7 missed - and that was not the only bad test he had. Agree with Dave - he was the worst Springbok flyhalf ever I have seen playing for the Springboks, Hell -he was not even the first choice flyhalf of Stade Francais - he was their benchwarmer. Even though Mozart claims otherwise kicking at goal is not the only requirement of a flyhalf.
Controlling the game is the first duty of the flyhalf....Morne was superb at that. Not a great runner, but a fine passer.....and a golden boot. He wouldn’t fit the AB game plan, but he was totally compatible with our WC game plan.
Superb at making BS kicks - standing too deep in the pocket - never himself attacking the gain line - his passing resulted in the recipient being under pressure immediately, since two things happen that neutralized him totally as a flyhalf, namely -
* the wings fell back to cover his poorly executed possession hand-over kicks; and
* since he never attacked the gain line himself, defenders ignored him and went for the poor recipient of his hospital passes,
Meyer fired him three times as flyhalf - once in 2012 and twice in 2014 for exactly the two reasons mentioned. A flyhalf with a good goal kicking record - for the rest totally useless. What do you mean by "compatible with our WC game plan? Which WC game plan are you referring to - the 1995 WC, the 2007 WC or the 2015 WC - the latter in respect of which he was in the squad - but had a maximum of 20 minutes game time in the whole series.
Win%
You are embarrassing yourself, again, Lister.
Steph is still playing? So what of it? In 55 tests Steph has won 54% of the time. Given how much ball he receives, how often he is a primary rusher, his involvement in games cannot be denied. Is he or is he not being a winning factor? According to your criteria, Steph is a loser. A little help for you: 62 > 54.
A little quiz for you:
Quince will disappear without a ripple, there is no enthusiasm for thi ordinary player. Stampkar stunningly was a hero of these dumb Irish commentators.
‘He ran the ball 20 times’. Sure, but that was because he hovered outside the breakdown, leaving others to do the work, and then when he got the ball he beat a tackle once every 10 runs.
Totally toothless...a side effect of the good Irish pack a few years back.
How many of the points Morne scored were kicking at goal? 95% goalkicking and that is his total contribution he ever made to the team - for the rest he was totally useless,
You’re just repeating yourself Wanker....which wastes your time and bores everybody to tears.
So Dave 62% for a Bok 10 is a disgrace? If that’s even the number.
Here’s your man Elton.....wins 18/losses 17/draws 2. Win percentage 48.6%. If 62% is a disgrace, what’s 48.6%?
That’s the point Dud Toit and Stampkar are both useless ball carriers...no penetration, no offload.....just neutral phase play. And both media creations.
