If he wasn’t in the coaching box he wasn’t the Head Coach appears to be the winning argument.
There were some changes Erasmus insist on before he took the position of SARU Director of Rugby after the near to total destruction of Springbok rugby by Meyer and Coetzee leaving a totally demoralized team in the end. By the time Coetzee accepted the post - enthusiastically supported by you - the real damage was far advanced and the final catastrophe was by Coetzee. .
These conditions included that -
* in view of the fact that the WC was a mere 18 months away Erasmus would act as Head Coach as a temporary measure and that a permanent Head Coach would be appointed after the WC in 2019;
* there would be no separate Selection Committee and that the selectio0n of the team would by the Director of Rugby and the coaching set-up in future; and
* that Erasmus as Director of Rugby would hav a votal say in the appointment of the Head Coach.
Your attacks on Erasmus started before the agreement was reached between SARU and Erasmus and included in his contract. You lied about his coaching career and accused him of cowardice and not accepting responsibility in the Strormers set-up - lying about what happened about coaching of the Stormers based on what happened from 1998 to 2012 based on total misrepresentation of the actual position - even when Erasmus was SARU and not Stormers Director of Rugby.
Your attacks on Erasmus went ballistic after he had to try a quick fix program in team selection to ultimately make up the 31 man rugby coach. There were only 11 Springboks available of which 2 never played test rugby under Coetzee in 2016 and 2017. He brought back Le Roux and Pollard into the fold after the latter two's careers were near to destroyed by Erasmus. So he had to find 20 additional players and rebuild the demoralized team.
Fact is that the situation was so desperate that nobody thought it would be possible for the Springboks to reach the play-off's since the last test under Coetzee against Italy was also lost and the Springboks was in the same pool as New Zealand and Italy. In any event you remained going ballistic after in 5 of the tests in 2018 Erasmus chose players that had potential Springbok capacity and also bearing in mind that some of the 11 Springboks were also injured.
The effort included a team consisting of only 5 Springboks that went to Washington to play Wales in June 2018 - which incidentally fell outside the June test window of World Rugby - so no Springboks playing for foreign clubs were available anyway. Erasmus - having to find another 20 test level players to make up the WC squad. started selecting potential players and he kept some of them playing for the Springboks in a desperate measure to evaluate the real performances of potential candidates. He used the principle to select players temporarily and even in the November 2018 England test which also fell outside the test window period. the team was full of such players.
The result of testing out players for potential WC squad selection continued in at east three other tests in 2018 and accounted for losses in tests where it happened. That was enough for the crazy attacks by you on Erasmus when the team lost tests where a number of experimental players were included. It even happened in the November 2018 test against England that also fell outside of the World Rugby November test window.
Be it a t may by July 2019 the key players to be selected was identified and only one experimental team was selected in the RC in 2019 - when Erasmus send 13 players to New Zealand fourteen days before the start of the 2019 Rugby championship and as expected you went ballistic. on your attacks on Erasmus. The only local test in the 2019 RC was played against Australia and despite having sent 13 top players to NZ the team players remaining in SA - inclusive of Du Toit and De Jager managed to beat the Aussies by a wide margin. In the end the Springboks in 2019 played in 12 tests - won in ten of those and lost 1 while drawing one as well. The springboks never lost against any team by the margins recorded under Meyer and Coetzee and never lost against teams like Japan and Italy achieved by Meyer and Coetzee respectively.
In any event the Springboks won the RC in 2019 by beating the Aussies and the Argentinians by wide margins and drawing with the AB's and also on the WC - the best performance record of any team that won the Team of the Year award and obviously also the best performance by any coach being awarded the Coach of the Year Award since 2001 when the ranking and awards were introduced. .You went crazy in your efforts to discredit those awards.
Since 2019 you found all kinds of BS allegations you can find to attack Erasmus an this thread is just another example of the kind of craziness you are capable of. When all sport in SA was banned in the period March to September 2020 and Springboks playing rugby in Europe was banned from returning to SA and internal travelling between SA Provinces was also banned - you blamed Erasmus of being a chicken on SARU decisions he did not take.
After three years of delusion and prejudice this type of craziness would not be found in real observers - but in your case there is never any thinking on issues only hatred and prejudice. it is funny how rugby ignorant you really are - but at the same time disgusting people in how you use falsification and lies to get at Erasmus and players. Reading about what you wrotr about what happened in games is utter bs at beast.
I will repeat an earlier statement I made which stemmed directly from your postings:-
"When the Springboks did well Nienaber got the credit from you, when they do not Erasmus got the blame".
Fifth in your books means the exact opposite of reality and is based on one-dimensional BS you thrived on.
No he was not the Head Coach when he was physically present….he was not consulting with the other coaches in the box….he was out on the field. He was a consultant/motivator/trainer. He was not making the sub calls…..and he was in no better a position to be the ultimate selector.
It’s all balls. But if you include the games you wan’t to include….the three Lions test and the Scottish test. His record goes from 17.5/8.5 or 67.3% to 20.5/9.5 or 68.3%. That still puts him only 4th…..behind Christie, Mallett and HM.
Huge baloney!
We do not have the weakest AB team in the competitions. The 2007 team was in fact weaker when it came to WC performances. After losing 33-6 in the 2007 Tri-Nations series against the AB's the Springboks in 2007 was extremely lucky not to face either the Aussies - nor the AB's in the 2007 WC - they would without doubt have lost badly.
The 2019 England eam had a much better record in various competitions than the England geriatrics had and was weaker that the 2019 team. The fact is what you try and prove is too simplistic and unscientific from a rugby perspective to take seriously anyway. Rating either White or Meyer higher as a coach than E5rasmus is not only simplistic - it is downright stupid and that is a fact.
We do not have the weakest AB team in the competitions. The 2007 team was in fact weaker when it came to WC performances. After losing 33-6 in the 2007 Tri-Nations series against the AB's the Springboks in 2007 was extremely lucky not to face either the Aussies - nor the AB's in the 2007 WC - they would without doubt have lost badly.
The 2019 England eam had a much better record in various competitions than the England geriatrics had and was weaker that the 2019 team. The fact is what you try and prove is too simplistic and unscientific from a rugby perspective to take seriously anyway. Rating either White or Meyer higher as a coach than E5rasmus is not only simplistic - it is downright stupid and that is a fact.
White as an extremely limited coach with a defective game plan - which worked for a short while until0 it is found out and exposed by opposing teams - while Meyer was grossly incompetent in team selection and usage. By the way White was denied nothing when it came to political support - there were no political interference in selections in 2007. Erasmus was too cever to get caught in the web White landed himself in. Mbeki went to the final in France and there re no real pressure from a political perspective on White. White was always highly controversial as a coach and had support from the older unions until the Bulls and the Cheetahs turned against him due to what they regard as caching deficiency - which had nothing to do with politics. Perhaps we were lucky - we would have with Meyer - whom the two mentioned franchises favored - would have been in a worse disaster since Meyer was a totally deficient coach who by 2014 self-destructed.
Jake is not even close to Rassie when it comes to coaching especially when it comes to the interaction with players - probably the most important aspect of coaching
Yes you are right but it most definitely IS, not probably.
I saw this in schools rugby...Skonk Nicholson, a schools coach whose sides were undefeated for 10 years even though obviously every year was a new batch of players. A school cannot possibly have the best players every single year, it's very obvious.
Yes….do show me how you get 68.75.
So you include the Bargie matches ….throw out the ABs and Oz. Include Scotland, throw out England and Wales. And we think the results aren’t biased?
No matter even bending the numbers to give him the easiest rugby year in memory he only just ties HM at 68.75%.
But if we are massaging numbers, throw out 2006 where the team was demoralized and HM was at 70.6.
Or look at it this way, as Director of Rugby Harrassmiss is 65.3%
Mozart is still carrying simplicity to his very own level of BS.
As much as Erasmus’ little inputs around the team and the field have been praised by the Bok players, Nienaber is the coach. The fact is that the defence guru has not been in such a position before, and even when Erasmus missed a few games this year, he showed in videos posted on social media that he was still in contact with Nienaber via his laptop on matchday.
Nienaber, to his credit, has never shied away from the fact that there is a collective decision-making process in the Bok camp on matchdays, with feedback given by all the coaches, including Erasmus – whether he is pitch-side or in the upstairs box.
So he was still communicating via laptop…..a Zoom coach. Harrassmiss had the reigns all the time. Case closed.
Mozart
The day that you admit that Meyer and Coetzee contributed to destruction of Springbok rugby and had to be effectively fired because of gross incompetence and that a massive rebuilding program to lift up the demoralized team to the level that resulted in their champion performances in 2019 - that day I would consider your writings as being constructive and serious.
2018 was always a year when experimentation in team selection would be inevitable so as to build up a squad for use in 2019 and team selection caters for many players who turned out to flops as well. Only a few flops survived to 2019 - eg Mostert and Esterhuizen. .
The fact is that both Meyer and Coetzee were fired by the clubs they subsequently coached for the same reason. They nearly destroyed the two clubs they coached - further proof they should never have been coaching on test level They were so bad that no team - not even a school team - will use them as coaches.
M ozart - another question - what were the biggest margins top teams beat the springbokd by under White, Erasmus and Coetzee and what were the biggest margins such teams beat the Springboks by since 2018? .
HM was a successful coach, who tried to be popular…..Coetzee was a disappointment……Harrassmiss had one good game, Nienaber has had 2 good games.
I think that pretty much sums it up,
How did Meyer try to be popular? That statement baffled me totally - so please explain.
You are often baffled Mike. Dave I could write a computer programme that would deliver better results. Remember when my Hal model cleaned everybody’s clock in the prediction competition on the old Board.
Mozart
You were asked a simple question aftyer you made another BS statement on site and failed to reply. Typical
