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The Springboks: A true sleeping rugby giant; DiggerCane; the ROAR

Started by Just_win21 REPLIES1,038 VIEWS· 27 Oct 2015, 21:45
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Oct 2015, 21:45
#1
27 Oct 2015, 21:45#1

I have found myself thinking about South African rugby quite a lot lately, probably due to the fact my All Blacks were likely to, and did, play them in an all-important semi-final in the 2015 World Cup.

In a tense and hard fought match, the All Blacks managed to prevail by a mere two points.

Is that it? Arguably one of the best teams in All Blacks history, owning one of the best records by any international team, can only manage a measly two-point win that was still in the balance in the last minute?

Since the 2011 World Cup, New Zealand have dominated the South Africans in terms of specific head-to-head results, now seven wins for one loss. However the average points difference has been eight points, hardly what I would suggest are light years apart. The average score between South Africa and New Zealand was 26-18 in the last eight Tests.

Now it is true that South Africa’s record has not fared as well as the All Blacks outside of playing each other, however that has more to do with Heyneke Meyer’s obsession with beating the All Blacks and losing sight of what is in front of him.

Some of those games played have been widely acclaimed as some of the best rugby played, while during the same period the Springboks amassed the second most tries scored per match (three) by any international team.

Yet it is a common theme to see this team marginalised as one dimensional, boring and only capable of playing the often termed ’10-man game’. In fact of 141 tries scored in 47 matches, 93 have been scored by backs and 43 by forwards, and there have been five penalty tries.

The Springboks, and by association South African rugby, is often viewed as forward orientated with little substance outside of that.

Anyone who has spent a few minutes taking in the Currie Cup and the fabulous Varsity competition can see this is a fallacy.

There is speed, skill and talent to burn, so much so that in terms of pure numbers, South Africa are the greatest exporter of rugby talent, with more ex-pats running around in foreign competitions than any other. It is difficult to know precisely how many South African rugby players are plying their trade abroad, but Roarer Harry Jones tells me there are as many as 594, which is almost as many as are contracted domestically.

“Many of those are not Super Rugby quality, or even Currie Cup starter standard, but probably half or more would compete for a starting position in the big South African unions, who have about 600 contracted senior class players,” he said.

“Nowadays, the exodus starts much earlier in the players’ careers, like Steven Kitshoff, who just missed out on the World Cup squad, or highly rated youngsters CJ Stander or Paul Willemse, who were on Meyer’s short list for 2019.”

Roarer Biltongbek has often explained to me the innate conservatism which tends to permeate through South African coaching ranks, particularly at the highest levels. This is true when you consider several Super Rugby teams along with the Springboks, but we have seen some teams, such as the Cheetahs and the Lions, begin to break this mould, and this will continue.

South African rugby has many challenges that it faces that other unions do not have to contend with, quotas and economy spring immediately to mind. However their biggest challenge is the administrators who serve self-interest above what is best for the game.

Their grassroots development has not reached 25 per cent of their schools, talent identification is only done on small scale via the top rugby schools and comparing the innovation we see from South African coaches to those from New Zealand, they are lacking in every department.

When you sit down and take all this into consideration, it is actually astonishing what South Africa has actually accomplished at Test level, although this is likely to be of small comfort to Springbok fans.

From the outside looking in, it is quite scary what South Africa can be. While many would suggest the United States are a potential sleeping giant of the game, there is a monster playing the game right now, invariably ranked number two and still yet to even come close to realising its potential.

Too often these anti-South African sentiments remind me of a schoolyard bully who is heaping his verbal abuse at someone, in the hope that they never retaliate in anger. They live in fear for what potential threat might come if they awaken the beast.

I have made comparisons with New Zealand here as it is in my comfort zone to do so, and it is not my intent to suggest that South Africa should emulate us. But if you imagine a South African set-up focused as one cohesive unit with the ultimate aim of gearing the Springboks to be the best in the world, it is a rather scary thought for the rest of the competition.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Oct 2015, 21:48
#2
27 Oct 2015, 21:48#2
A more optimistic view than I have read on here lately.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,280 posts
27 Oct 2015, 21:52
#3
27 Oct 2015, 21:52#3
Please could you summarize with key points Just_win?I am a bit busy to read the whole article at the moment
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Oct 2015, 21:56
#4
27 Oct 2015, 21:56#4
 Sharbok: summary: Boks don't stink
CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
27 Oct 2015, 22:30
#5
27 Oct 2015, 22:30#5
 Revised Summary: Boks dont think!
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Oct 2015, 22:43
#6
27 Oct 2015, 22:43#6
Article would be much shorter if it wasn't copied twice  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Oct 2015, 22:55
#7
27 Oct 2015, 22:55#7
 Glad someone actually read it Pakie I was able to edit it so it should be fine now.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Oct 2015, 00:15
#8
28 Oct 2015, 00:15#8
 J-W I just knew you would have put this up for all our SA friends ,especially Moz and DF .
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Oct 2015, 06:52
#9
28 Oct 2015, 06:52#9
Wardad, I thought it would perk up a few SA posters - they are not ready to look at the future yet though. We must endure more backward looking mudslinging for at least a few more months.
That wee chap Beeno has other things on his mind. 
He will no doubt show up in time to give his considered opinion on the Mighty All Blacks vs Wobblies final.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
28 Oct 2015, 07:14
#10
28 Oct 2015, 07:14#10
Well JW, there's certainly hope, but we also know what political issues we have to deal with in this country. The powers that be are already determined to have a Bok side with a 50% black player ratio by 2019. So, chances are we'll lose more and more good players that don't fit a certain racial profile to foreign interests. The lure of European and Japanese cash is already big enough without adding the threat of being sidelined on the basis of your skin color to the mix.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Oct 2015, 07:24
#11
28 Oct 2015, 07:24#11
 Considering the English had a mountain of cash, home advantage and no political bizzo to deal with I would say the Boks have still done well .Look at how the Irish were touted as giant killers and a pretty good chance at a finals berth compared to the reality at the RWC.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Oct 2015, 07:27
#12
28 Oct 2015, 07:27#12
The powers that be will want to make a profit from rugby so they will have to have competitive teams. This will be the mitigating factor. They will have to strengthen rugby at the grass roots to increase the number & quality of players coming through.
The Boks lost by 2 points in the semi-final of the RWC !!
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
28 Oct 2015, 07:54
#13
28 Oct 2015, 07:54#13
Hearing some of the role players speaking, you'd not think that performance comes into the equation at all as long as the racial balance is acceptable. But money will talk, no doubt. 
Yeah there's no panic, especially not with so many supporters not even giving us a chance to reach the playoffs. I think the concern is more about the way the Boks have played since Japan. Let's face it, playing the penalty/pressure game is going to lose you more than it's going to win you against skilled and adaptable opposition. You need more than one card in your pack. 
There's an interesting period ahead now with many of the old stalwarts retiring either after Friday or within the next year or two. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Oct 2015, 08:19
#14
28 Oct 2015, 08:19#14
Jw You have ti admit.these guys mudt be viwing my poss on this site. What Beeno thinks today thr world thinks tomorrow. The simple facts indicate nz is not really in our keague as a rugby playing nation. This why they realise that in order to win, even given all our problems, they must get assistane from the ref. As for.the RWc final I might give it a miss. Oz and nz only.got there through ref assistance so neither will be worthy winners. The need for someone to guide the kbbs through the game is however greatly needed. Oz is the kessor of two evils but only slightly. Without much enthusiasm I say go Oz. Yaaaaaawn. I must make sure.I have some good tennis taped eg Federer playing in Swiss final. Just in case it all becomes to nauseating watching these two bugalars at work. Sacrifice I do but there are limits!!!!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Oct 2015, 08:26
#15
28 Oct 2015, 08:26#15
Beeno, you practice the philosophy of saying everything that could be said so yes, occasionally you get something right. It's the law of averages - our good mate Moz will explain this if he can get his mind off Matfield
Whatever happened to this wee bloke?
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 Oct 2015, 08:32
#16
28 Oct 2015, 08:32#16
 
Most certainly a sleeping giant ... but sadly one that will slumber on.

Even the smell of the mighty dollar won't temp them to setting aside their racist intentions.

The chip on the shoulder is just too large to set down.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Oct 2015, 08:37
#17
28 Oct 2015, 08:37#17
 JW its a talent called thought leadership and very, very few have it. How often dont you find some journo coming up with something that Beeno has already said long ago. I amaze myself at times!!!
Go Oz  Yaaaaawn



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Oct 2015, 08:41
#19
28 Oct 2015, 08:41#19
Breaking news: Even a Croc can Play Tennis!
Should we tell him the ball is on the wrong side of the racket?

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
31 Oct 2015, 21:43
#20
31 Oct 2015, 21:43#20
we are already a giant but i do see the logic behind the piece
from personal exp coaching in coach africa the amount of talent there is to pick from is any coaches wet dream....
our problem as a country is from currie cup level upwards as we suffer severe issues with our approach to the game....
we have the talent to take on any team and beat them well if only the coach can create a style of play that allows the team to express themselves...
thats our cancer we are our own enemies and our coaches lack the conviction to stick to a dynamic style of play.
we need to change 
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
01 Nov 2015, 00:22
#21
01 Nov 2015, 00:22#21
 Trust they will awake before I expire.
CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
01 Nov 2015, 18:41
#22
01 Nov 2015, 18:41#22
 we have everything but having talent means nothing if those who manage that talent is narrowminded and lack the ablity to see how the game has changed....
we need to push the limits of our skills and style of play if we want to be the best again.
we need forward thinking people in charge of sa rugby and thats were the game will be won and lost
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