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The true story about the scrumming in the Aussie gme

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 12:04
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29 Jul 2015, 12:04#1
One would think that Mozart and some of his cohorts will do a decent assessment of what happens on the field of play before they come up with their nonsense - but they don't and then has to run for cover subsequently.
In the first half before Jannie was taken off the field the scrum was at best static.  Then Jannie went off for a test and Malherbe came on.  The first scrumn after that change the Aussie scrum was in disarray going back meters.   Jannie came back and the static situation returned.
At the second half  Jannie did not take the field at the start of the second half and the scrumming was static - until Van der Merwe and Strauss came on.   Shortly thereafter Malherbe injured his hip - but stayed on the field of play despite the injury.  He remained solid in the scrum - except for one where he went slightly back.  Factually the problems was all on the loosehead side with Van der Merwe.
However, Mozart had to find a reason for the scrum deficiencies in the Aussie game and obviously went for one of his pet hates.  He went further and insisted that Malherbe was dropped from the team on Saturday because he was inadequate.  
What happened in fact was that the injury did not clear itself up - even by this weekend and Malherbe had to see a specialist - which happened yesterday.  The specialist advised him that there was nothing seriously wrong - but he should not play for 2 weeks - allowing for the injury to heal totally.
Wild statements by some - without knowing what happened during games are the forte of some of the members on this site.  My advice make sure of facts before you write rubbish about your pet hates on the site.        
    
  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2015, 14:36
#2
29 Jul 2015, 14:36#2
The true story? Sio owned Malherbe. Jannie owned Sio...... ..there's your true story.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jul 2015, 14:59
#3
29 Jul 2015, 14:59#3

Ouch Jannie never scrummed against Sio and Sio did not come close to owning Malherbe.


There is no better evidence to confirm who the better tighthead was, than when Malherbe replaced Jannie and in that very first scrum, the Bok scrum ripped the Aussie scrum to shreds.


The only change from the previous scrum was Malherbe for Jannie.


The only time the Bok scrum struggled was when useless Heinke v/d Merwe replaced the Beast.....simple deduction is.....Heinke was not up to it.


One has to ask the question, what the hell was Heinke doing there is the first place - only clueless Meyer will know the answer to that.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 15:34
#4
29 Jul 2015, 15:34#4
 Mozart
Stop talking tripe and looked what was written above.  You want to tell me that an injured player who played through the pain was "owned" by somebody.  You were the one who talked BS all the time - without knowing the facts - so the egg has reached your nostrils by now - beware of drowning in it.  
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
29 Jul 2015, 15:47
#5
29 Jul 2015, 15:47#5
Hello boys,Don't get me wrong I have called for Jannie to be culled, but whatever  Tighthead we've injected hasn't lasted. They come on have a few decent scrums and off to the hospital they go. WTF. I am not an expert on scrummaging and particularly front row.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2015, 15:54
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29 Jul 2015, 15:54#6
There's  Malherbe ....the scrum goes down. He shoves mightily....his belly scrapes the deck(is it a penalty) .....no matter. Then oops he starts coming up. He tries hard but the linker poetjie is in the air. Pathetically he paws away at fresh air...then cracks.

I ask you with tears of laughter in my eyes....how the hell can one blame Heinke for that embarrassing effort.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 16:31
#7
29 Jul 2015, 16:31#7
 The man was injured - he stayed on the field despite the injury and was bar one scrum where he went back slightly firm in the scrums despite the injury. He did not go down - the scrum went down on Van der Merwe's side - not on Malherbe's side.   So please stop lying - it is discrediting you even further.   He was never penalized for poor scrumming - Van der Merwe was.  
Then your outburst on Wednesday about dropping of Malherbe - again a load of BS.  Again an "opinion" formed by you and afterwards stated as fact.  Careful - the eggs is mounting - you would soon drown in it if you keep up with your BS.
  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jul 2015, 17:34
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29 Jul 2015, 17:34#8

Well Moz its funny how it was Heinke that was penalised then.....but best of all is you inability to work out the maths on this one.....let me explain one more time, its simple really.


At the start of the game, we have Beast, Bismark and Jannie as our frontrow......at best we are solid, its parity at scrum time.


Off goes Jannie and on comes Malherbe. Now we have Beast, Bismark and Malherbe as our front row and in the first scrum they completely demolish the Oz scrum.....you with me still?


Simple maths tells me that given the only change to the equation is Malherbe for Jannie when the scrum improves, then by simple deduction Malherbe is better than Jannie - which he is anyway.


In the second half Beast and Bismark depart, replaced by Strauss and useless Heinke......what happens, the Bok scrum struggles thanks to Heinke being completely out of his depth.


That is the FACT of the day and no amount of bullshit from you is going to change the fact that Malherbe improved the scrum when he came on and Heinke weakened it when he came on.


I thought maths was a strong point of yours Moz?  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 19:07
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29 Jul 2015, 19:07#9
Dave
Don't expect an honest response in this case.  Jannie is Mozart's "national; treasure".  Jannie was poor last year and the same in Super 15.  Against the Aussies Jannie was solid.  Those are facts.
So how can Mozart support his "national treasure".  The only way he can do so is to malign Malherbe.  A heavy task - because Malherbe was by some distance the strongest Tighthead scrummager in Super 15.   So ignore what happened in the first half of the game when Malherbe came on to replace - ignore the deficiency of Van der Merwe and manufacture some falsehoods about what actually happened is the way Mozart prefers to go in his Jannie du Plessis "national treasure" campaign.
That was followed by a story that Malherbe was dropped because he was poor against the Aussies - while the real fact is that the player was carrying an injury.  According to Mozart that means nothing because it takes the substance out of his vigorous Jannie du Plessis campaign.
What is clear is that Malherbe will not play the first test against the Argentinians - so Mozart will ignore the injury issue and continue regardless.
What is tragic is this type of campaign is not aimed at Malherbe only - it is aimed at every player that stops or has the potential to stop selection of his favourites.   The lies and disinformation on all such players is always in evidence and it indeed is a tragedy that members go that far below acceptable debating level when discussing player-related issues on this site.
      
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2015, 21:53
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29 Jul 2015, 21:53#10

I dont have to support my national treasure, just bask in the glow of being right again. And there are many articles out there confirming that. As for Malherbe, the hype has suddenly gone very quiet. Why? Because all but a few rabid supporters like Tok and Dave know.....he was monstered....not by the Bargies, but by the weak scrummming Aussies.

 

 

Game, set and match.   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 22:07
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29 Jul 2015, 22:07#11
 Because he was injured during his first game back for the Springboks coming from the bench, but unlike Jannie he stayed on the field of play.   For the rest - your lies are hurting your case again.  
By the way - Jannie was just about holding the scrum static against the weak Aussie scrum - so stop crowing, rather worry what is going to happen next. 
Get that into your thick skull - game, set and match.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2015, 22:19
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29 Jul 2015, 22:19#12
Oh shame, did the nasty Aussies hurt him as well?  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jul 2015, 22:26
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29 Jul 2015, 22:26#13
Moz you were clearly lying about maths being a strength.
Kindly provide the source of these many articles 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 22:35
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29 Jul 2015, 22:35#14
 Sure Mozart - they also hurt Matfield - so much easier because he has thin wrists, thin shoulders, thin bum and thin legs.  The gutless and useless Matfield is still out of the game after he put up a show to prevent his uselessness being exposed by playing in further games before the WC.  Pity for Matfield - De Jager showed him up so badly after his "injury" by being ten times better than he is.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2015, 23:29
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29 Jul 2015, 23:29#15
I'd say this article from Rugby24 neatly captures the consensus...eat crow Tokkie. I'd say the same to you Dave, but it's probably best if you avoid snacking between meals.


 Johannesburg - Tighthead prop Jannie du Plessis may not have had the best of Super Rugby seasons for the woeful Sharks but found a rich vein of form to silence his detractors.

Sharks front-rankers Du Plessis and Beast Mtawarira have been severely criticised by pundits and armchair experts alike for what they perceived to be an indifferent year.

“I don’t think I doubted at any time of the year whether I still have the desire or the skills but unfortunately our season at the Sharks didn’t go as planned,” Du Plessis said.

“It was never because of a lack of trying but I am really happy that we can play better when it matters most.”

Although a host of talented, albeit inexperienced, players came to the fore this year, Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer persisted with his tried and tested combinations.

Du Plessis rewarded Meyer for showing faith in the Bok stalwart with two laudable performances against Australia and New Zealand.

He anchored a strong Springbok scrum in both matches while he was also bustling in the loose.

The South African scrum lost some impetus in consecutive weeks when the Bethlehem strongman left the field.

His presence was sorely missed in the final stages of the defeat to New Zealand when he left the field thanks to a knee injury.

His replacement Vincent Koch also had to leave the field in the 62nd minute resulting in uncontested scrums due to both tightheads injured.

“It is actually not sore, it just feels weird, we don’t really know what it is at the moment but it looks like a medial ligament but by grace maybe I will be good,” Du Plessis said.

“I am a quick healer and even if they take a staple gun and staple it on and I can run, I can be good.”

Du Plessis admitted on Saturday the criticism he came under this season did have an influence on his personal life.

“It is a very lonely place if you don’t have a successful season, then it is easy to find mistakes and criticism as such,” he said.

“If you give me one guy that it doesn’t affect, I will give you a liar, so it does affect you but as a player you’ve had enough criticism to know how to deal with it and to know whose opinion really counts.

“But the thing is it hurts your family because they read it more than you and people confront them.”

The 32-year-old brushed the criticism aside and sent a strong message that he is anything but a spent force.

“If you play rugby long enough and read in the papers that you are s#*t enough times, you have to pick yourself up,” he said.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jul 2015, 01:01
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30 Jul 2015, 01:01#16
Notice the turn of phrase: "silence his detractors" good advice for the two most starry eyed, naive fans on the site.  Cork it.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2015, 03:20
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30 Jul 2015, 03:20#17
 mozarty
First of all -= Jannie was solid in the scrums - nothing better - and that was a huge improvement in what he was prior to the tests - both in Super 15 and in the tests last year.  Everyone acknowledged that.  That was enough to write the above and it was stemming in the main from an interview with Du Plessis.   Nobody would criticize his performance when he was solid in the scrums after a near disastrous year in rugby performance in scrumming.
Whether one or two games of solid scrumming was enough to prove that it will go through to the WC and last through that tournament is questionable.   However, despite that I do not think I ever said he should not be in the WC squad - Dave has done that - not me.  I also differed with him on Marcel van der Merwe and expressed doubts about Coenie Oosthuizen as a result of his long absence from playing in matches and  the nature of the operation.
That was a responsible approach on the issue - yours definitely was not a responsible attitude on the Malherbe case - and seriously so.  Even your latest outburst on the issue of his injury in the game against the Aussies was childish and irresponsible.   Malherbe was outstanding in scrumming this year and showed that in every game he played in.  He came on in the first half against the Aussies and after static scrums - the first scrum afterwards the Aussies went in serious retreat and a penalty against them was the result.  In the second half the scrumming was still solid on his part until Van der Merwe and Strauss came on.  Everyone with eyes in his head saw that the problem was on the Van der Merwe side of the scrum but you - not even aware of the injury of Malherbe - went on the rampage against the latter player.
It never entered your mind that something may be wrong in this case after in every game he played in Malherbe was dominant in the scrums.  What obviously was wrong was the injury issue that came out afterwards and the actual reason why Malherbe was not selected to play in the AB test.   However, without being aware of the circumstances, you went on the rampage again declaring it was because he was too poor s he was "dropped" from the team                
That is the real situation.   When the matter was clarified - instead of acknowledging the true curc umstances - your comments were childish and irresponsible in the extreme.  What was wrong in merely stating something like "that explains the situation" you could not take it and tried to go on with a campaign against Malherbe.
My best advice to you is - cork it - you can only embarrass yourself further by your comments on the issue.      
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jul 2015, 03:57
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30 Jul 2015, 03:57#18
So what is it Tok. He scrummed well, Heinke and Strauss were the problem or Malherbe was hurt? Excuses abound.
But I don't believe them. If Malherbe's scrumming was impaired why would HM put him at risk. He was being buried by Sio, HM would simply have pulled him and had uncontested scrums. Something he was quite willing to do a week later with less cause.
 Tok he was out scrummed....stop trying to avoid your egg
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2015, 04:26
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30 Jul 2015, 04:26#19
 He was injured during the game and remained on the field of play.  That was the case.  If you do not believe them - why did Malherbe saw a specialist on Tuesday and was advised to not play for the next two weeks.
If a player is injured on the field of play and continue to play the situation is that no coach would interfere and call the player off.  Malherbe could have done what Jannie and Koch did - but he did not, he stayed and tried his best for his team.  I do not think the situation was clear during the game and only came to the fore - when what was assumed to be less serious injury - did not heal during the next week and consequently necessitated a specialist appointment.  So you do not believe he saw a specialist on Tuesday and the result of the appointment.   That is the worst I have seen from you and there was some really weird arguments you came up in the past.  
Sorry Mozart - but your persistence is in fact based on lies - the scrum did not collapse on the Malherbe side and what you called being burned is a fabrication as well.  The problems were on the other side of the scrum.
Mozart, stop being stubborn and accept the real facts which happened in this case.  Stop trying further misrepresentations in this case.     
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jul 2015, 04:35
#20
30 Jul 2015, 04:35#20
Rubbish. If the medics attending the player tell the coaches he has a risk of further injury...he will be pulled. And it wasn't best for his team that Malherbe was buried by Sio.Uncontested  scrums wouldn't have led to the turnover ball that turned the game. 
Koch and Malherbe both had shockers and Jannie was solid. Fact.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 Jul 2015, 04:35
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30 Jul 2015, 04:35#21
My god! Eighteen thousand one hundred and ninty-nine posts... each one an experience akin to an eyeball pressed into a belt sander.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jul 2015, 04:42
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30 Jul 2015, 04:42#22
Oh come now, Tokkie's posts are  more like lumbar puncture ...you feel nothing most of the time. You have to love this latest theory...either Malherbe hid is injury from the team or HM knew about it and continued playing a prop who was being destroyed and at risk of more serious injury.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 Jul 2015, 04:50
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30 Jul 2015, 04:50#23
I can't claim to have watched the scrums closely this RC, I always look at the backs setup and movement. But when I looked more closely last year I saw problems. So this is nothing new as far as I'm concerned. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2015, 05:03
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30 Jul 2015, 05:03#24
 Lets get it straight -the posts of Mozart and Disaster are comprising of lies and misrepresentations on an enormous scale when it comes to players they dislike - so what they produce is n not worth giving any credibility to.  This thread showed a gain how low they are prepared to go and that is lower than a snake moving along the ground.       
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jul 2015, 05:22
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30 Jul 2015, 05:22#25
 How about lower than your boobs when you aren't wearing your bra?
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 Jul 2015, 05:24
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30 Jul 2015, 05:24#26
 I don't feel much emotion towards things. You either produce or you don't. Anything which obstructs the flow of production is in my cross hairs. And when it comes to lies? One of us is repeatedly exposed - either by himself or via others; and the other has yet to be debunked, only subjected to frustrated volleys of vitriol as the critics cannot substantiate their claims. The more impotent their cause, the angrier they get! The latter isn't you Michael. 
 PS. I still have that video waiting for you. Is your tail ready to sheepishly vacate your undercarriage?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2015, 05:25
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30 Jul 2015, 05:25#27
 BS
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jul 2015, 11:58
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30 Jul 2015, 11:58#28

That article says nothing about Jannie that puts him above anyone else.....it merely confirms the fact that Jannie was crap for most of the S15 but has at best been solid in his two tests......which is correct.


But Malherbe was better than Jannie when he replaced him against Oz.....evidenced by that first scrum that had Malherbe on board - this is a FACT   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jul 2015, 14:51
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30 Jul 2015, 14:51#29
And much, much worse in every other scrum....Fact.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jul 2015, 15:03
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30 Jul 2015, 15:03#30
Wonder why that was......enter Heinke v/d Merwe......a scrum is as good as its weakest link......what the hell was Heinke v/d Merwe doing playing test rugby.....another Meyer classic.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2015, 15:12
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30 Jul 2015, 15:12#31
 Mozart will lie and lie and lie about this case - so what else is new.  He lied about the reason for the scrum problems and that is a fact and keep on lying about everything involved in this case.  Scandalous.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Jul 2015, 15:26
#32
30 Jul 2015, 15:26#32
 "He was injured during the game and remained on the field of play.  That was the case.  If you do not believe them - why did Malherbe saw a specialist on Tuesday and was advised to not play for the next two weeks."
Huhh? Injured? Again...........?

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 Jul 2015, 15:31
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30 Jul 2015, 15:31#33
 Was that specialist a scrum doctor,? LMAO!! In all seriousness, Michael wants us to have a WC team of sick notes and turnstile tacklers. Genius!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2015, 15:39
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30 Jul 2015, 15:39#34

Disaster
 Let have a WC squad comprising of loafers and incompetents in Tight 5 and backline play preferably through eliminating top class players by lies and deception.  Genius  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jul 2015, 22:50
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30 Jul 2015, 22:50#35
Is this doctor treating him for a stripped reverse gear?  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jul 2015, 03:15
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31 Jul 2015, 03:15#36
 Mozart
The stripped reverse gear certainly applies to Jannie in the Argentina tests last year ad virtually all games in Super 15 this year.   Maybe the handbrake was holding in the last two tests - but the reverse year in Jannie has been stripped for a year now and that fact will not be eliminated by a solid display in two games.  


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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
31 Jul 2015, 04:31
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31 Jul 2015, 04:31#37
Mahlherbe suffers from cephal ventral inversionem, I'm quite certain of this.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jul 2015, 07:45
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31 Jul 2015, 07:45#38
Another invention of a lie - that one.  Standard Disaster BS.   Nice to know we have two medical doctors on this site - both doing the ANC thing.  Lying through their teeth when pretending they know better about medical issues than specialists.   
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jul 2015, 08:06
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31 Jul 2015, 08:06#39
 Malhebe proved his credentials  in the Super 15 where he and Kitshoff ruled the roost.End of story.
To say Malherbe cant scrum after this is an error.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jul 2015, 08:52
#40
31 Jul 2015, 08:52#40
 Beeno
This has in fact nothing to do with Malherbe's scrumming and everything to do with the Jannie du Plessis glorification programme of Mozart and his cohorts.   This is standard procedure on their part in respect of all players presenting a selection threat to their favourites.  They would seize on one incident and don't mind lying and misrepresentation of what actually happened in that incident to try and get support for their viewpoints.  Sad really.   
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