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The underdog South African squad that could take the cake; by Harry Jones; the ROAR

Started by Just_win12 REPLIES251 VIEWS· 05 Aug 2015, 07:24
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:24
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05 Aug 2015, 07:24#1

With the Springboks all but assured of finishing first in their World Cup pool, they look set to be slight favourites for a quarter-final match-up against any of England, Wales, or Australia.

In a semi-final against the All Blacks, coach Heyneke Meyer is seen as Steve Hansen’s inferior, squandering prodigious talent and squeezing the expression out of lively youngsters, in favour of dour veterans.

(A massive surf versus turf wager also rides on this possible knockout test.)

Meyer has two more Tests, both against Argentina, to polish combinations and make the final cuts to his 31-man roster.

It is not clear whether Meyer will choose a 17-14 or 16-15 forward-to-back split, and in contrast to his potential SANZAR knockout opponents, Meyer seems to have more question marks about the last four or five players to be chosen.

Props
Jannie du Plessis is injured, but not seriously enough to miss the Cup. He staked a strong claim on the no. 3 jersey after many (myself at the front of the line) said he was finished. It just shows you what a veteran can do if he feels the end is near.

The drama at tighthead is which Stormer will make it: the big powerhouse Frans Malherbe, or the blonde stormtrooper Vincent Koch? Malherbe has shown more, for longer. Koch is a strong ballcarrier, but has had a few binding issues, and was whistled up much more than Malherbe in Super Rugby, with fewer minutes.

On the other side of the scrum, the unfortunate timing of Steven Kitshoff’s knee injury has robbed him of carrying on his superb Super Rugby form into the Rugby Championship. He may get a shot against Argentina (who better to test him?) in a last-gasp bid to take Trevor Nyakane’s backup loosehead jersey. I’d go red.

Hooker
A third hooker is seen as mandatory, even though I am not sure we’ve ever had to use one. Meyer will probably choose between Scarra Ntubeni, Schalk Brits or Craig Burden, with Ntubeni helping Meyer with his government relations, but Brits much more comfortable in a big match at Twickenham.

Second row
There appears to be hope for the young and freakishly athletic Pieter-Steph du Toit as he returns from long-term injuries this week, but he will battle with Flip van der Merwe for the last lock jersey.

Flip is off the pace, and I’d go with the prodigy. We’ve wanted Eben Etzebeth and du Toit to form the new, faster, stronger combination for some time. That time is now.

Loose forwards
Suspense surrounds the fit of Heinrich Brüssow in Meyer’s gameplan, the timing of the recovery of Duane Vermeulen from neck surgery, and the luck of the Lions super-captain and leading Super Rugby tackler, Warren Whiteley.

The word is Vermeulen is on track, and he’s always returned from rehabilitation in perfect condition. So, it looks like the luck favours Schalk Burger, a faithful servant of South African rugby, because as we just learnt, he can cover No. 8 very well, but still fit into the other two positions seamlessly. Whiteley might be the unlucky one.

Halfbacks
Fourie du Preez and Ruan Pienaar still own the scrumhalf position, and I just don’t know whether Meyer will persist with Cobus Reinach, the raw and mercurial speedster. Rudy Paige ticks Meyer’s very long and idiosyncratic list of no. 9 boxes better than Reinach or Faf de Klerk.

Meyer has a clear pecking order at flyhalf: 1. Handré Pollard, 2. Pat Lambie and 3. Morné Steyn.

Midfield
Jean de Villiers will get every chance in the next two Tests to show he is back to speed. The juggling act will continue, but surely Damian de Allende and Jesse Kriel have played their way into the squad.

Frans Steyn just endured an unimaginable family tragedy; I’m not sure how it will affect him, but he and Kriel are great World Cup fits, because between them they cover all positions except for scrumhalf.

Back three
Unfortunately, Meyer doesn’t have much choice here. We’ll see the old firm of Bryan Habana, Willie le Roux, and JP Pietersen, but maybe late in games Lambie and Kriel will slot in, allowing le Roux to play first receiver or wing.

Possible squad of 31
Beast Mtawarira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Francois Louw, Willem Alberts, Duane Vermeulen, Fourie du Preez, Handre Pollard, Bryan Habana, Damian de Allende, Jean de Villiers, JP Pietersen, Willie le Roux, Adriaan Strauss, Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Lood de Jager, Schalk Burger, Ruan Pienaar, Pat Lambie, Jesse Kriel, Trevor Nyakane, Schalk Brits, Victor Matfield, Marcell Coetzee, Johan Goosen, Lwazi Mvovo, Frans Steyn, Cobus Reinach.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:29
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05 Aug 2015, 07:29#2
 "In a semi-final against the All Blacks, coach Heyneke Meyer is seen as Steve Hansen’s inferior, squandering prodigious talent and squeezing the expression out of lively youngsters, in favour of dour veterans."
Here's a quote for Saffex, lol
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:46
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05 Aug 2015, 07:46#3
Meyer has built a very sophisticated and ambitious Bok gameplan. More so than those who came before him. It isn't perfect but he delivered what the fans wanted, think about where the team was under Peter and when Meyer took over. They played for four years with a damage limitation gameplan to conceal the limitations of the substandard coaching trio. Meyer had nothing to work with in 2012 but has achieved far more than Peter. If only the youngsters he did try didn't fail him so often. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:58
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05 Aug 2015, 07:58#4
 Meyer's obsession with wee matfiled 105 kg and 38 years old is very worrying. Then he has left out players like Faf - best scrummie in th Super 15. then he perhpas for quota rasons finds no place for combrinck, vorster or Van Wyk. He leaves out willemse and Jaque du Plessis. 
He has however got abetter balanced game plan finally going.
Frankly his selections boggle the mind at times . 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:00
#5
05 Aug 2015, 08:00#5
 What is certain a full strength Bok squad properly selected would be the best squad at the RWC. 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:47
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05 Aug 2015, 08:47#6
 
Meyer doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

Never has.

That much is clear with his pathetic selections.

Throw in his cowardly nature into the mix and what you see is exactly what we have today as a national team.

Second rate ... an embarrassment to the nation .

The sooner he resigns the better.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Aug 2015, 10:08
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05 Aug 2015, 10:08#7

Meyer to a T


"coach Heyneke Meyer is seen as Steve Hansen’s inferior, squandering prodigious talent and squeezing the expression out of lively youngsters, in favour of dour veterans."


Perfect summation of our useless coach

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Aug 2015, 17:23
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05 Aug 2015, 17:23#8
 Who has he squandered? Goosen? Taute? JJ? Boschoff? du Toit-pom? All of your flub next gen front rowers? Exactly who has been hare done by?
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
05 Aug 2015, 20:46
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05 Aug 2015, 20:46#9
 We;re not an underdog at all...either second or third favourite...and if you know a little bit of horse racing that's where your winners normally spring from...its a point in our favour...the pressure of favourite or should I say the expectations is not to be envied...our problems have to remedied internally and psycholo gically...we can even do it with a few inferior selections if our mindset is right...HM is certainly not my favourite coach but he has a very conservative stance which could be a blessing in disguise...world cups are funny games...France losing to Tonga and then beating NZ in the final (in PDV sense we won on the field and not scoreboard...lol). In 2007 Georgia should have beaten Ireland at Bordeaux at world cup...https://youtu.be/nCWsJ2adtek
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Aug 2015, 21:04
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05 Aug 2015, 21:04#10
I don't see Meyer as consevative at all. His critics here squak about the gameplan being problematic yet have never been able to say exactly what the se problems are. The best these overly opinionated pseudo fans have come up with are verbose lists of names. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Aug 2015, 21:13
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05 Aug 2015, 21:13#11
Maakniks Boshoff, JJ Engelbrecht, Goosen, Dean Greyling, Bearded Strauss, Redlinghuis, Quince Roux, Lappies Labuschagne, Stepfontein, Kolisi, Marcel van der Merwe, Coenie, Jantjies, Arno Botha, de Plessis, Shithole....just a few players Dave and/or Carbuncle thought HM was stupid to leave out. 

They may howl they didnt pick this or that player. Well guess what chumps the fool you supported above did...and you each chose enough of them to make my point.
 

HM may have made a few mistakes from time to time....hell even I have made a few. But the catastrophic calls these two idiots....and I mean really stupid buggers....have made and forgotten about is a veritable rogue's gallery


DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Aug 2015, 21:23
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05 Aug 2015, 21:23#12
R emember Vermaak and Jantjies? But now Vorster and Odendaal are shaping up to the the next in a procession of flubs. He loves his long lists, I can barely keep up with them. Might be good reading for Santa this Christmas after this seasons tragedy disappoints.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Aug 2015, 23:06
#13
05 Aug 2015, 23:06#13
Moz your lying is becoming a little tiresome......you are starting to sound as pathetic as clueless Fox.
I'm not going to bother with a response....you are not worthy
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