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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2015, 02:04
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26 Sept 2015, 02:04#1
that the Boks have their backs against the wall, there are no ifs or buts, they simply have to beat Samoa. Pressure, a nasty beast at the best of times is an added challenge the Boks will have to overcome. An early exit awaits. JDV has a loaded gun pointing to his temple both as a player and captain. The Boks will have to put their bodies on the line against the dirty Samoans, a brutal encounter is on the cards. There is only one way for the Boks to answer their Tsunami of critics......get it right, win and win well.
I believe they will.
This is my team, my Boks....Go you good things!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2015, 02:54
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26 Sept 2015, 02:54#2
The Boks will win handily. ...by more than 20 points. But it will be a brutal affair.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
26 Sept 2015, 03:13
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26 Sept 2015, 03:13#3
 I'm not so certain of the Boks ability to put up points, but they look much stronger already in the loose forwards. Louw plays his best rugby with two power loosies in tandem with his roving, and Schalk has actually been playing pretty well. So I think we should have Samoa in the forwards and set pieces. But the centre pairing is a very real vulnerability. You have a mobile, space hungry sniper at 12 with a glass jaw in the physicality stakes and an immobile head-on crashballer at 13. I suppose the idea is that Jean is the more assured defender and can seal off the edge with his experience and superior reading of the game. I think Meyer doesn't trust Damian enough to play him at 13 and feels more confident in our ability to attack the contact points enough to make a shadow defender diffuse any intrusions through the 12 channel. Louw and Schalk will support Damian and perhaps we can hold the crucial 10-12-13 front intact. I don't think we have to worry about wide attacks, Samoa prefer to attack like Wales in the inner channels but with more movement off the ball and open you up that way. They will also scrap very hard at the breakdown but if we can blunt their runs they will be much less effective at competing at ruck time. 
As for attack? We have Willie and that is always a big plus, but Damian thrives with a 15 and 13 duo running quick lines with him breaking outsidevof them from shallow deptu, I'm not sure how Meyer plans to use them and how Jeans lack of mobility might hinder that flow. It may not be a factor at all but certainly worthy of consideration.
In the end one would expect the Boks to pitch up and win. It seems unfathomable that the Boks could lose, and I give them the edge. But that is if they jack up their intensity from the whistle. If they play passively again and allow Samoa to establish their game, we will lose. Samoa are a very hard team to put away once they have a foot in the door, and Scotland are exactly the same. All the more reason for the Boks to be alert and hungry.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2015, 03:49
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26 Sept 2015, 03:49#4
It's all about intensity....we had none against Japan. Tomorrow the guys will give everything they have, it will be more than enough.  
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2015, 03:52
#5
26 Sept 2015, 03:52#5
 Yep, the Boks should take it to them, up the intensity not sit back and wait for things to happen
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Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
26 Sept 2015, 06:26
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26 Sept 2015, 06:26#6
 Just to clear the air regarding the comment about Samoa being dirty players.
Rugby Union is a physical game unlike American Football and Rugby League.
The Samoan players are not dirty players they are real men who play a physical game and they are tough warriors when on the field and gentle giants off the field.
Just watch them smash the Eagles in their meeting at the WC.
You two retards are a real pair.
Have you two ever played the game of rugby?

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Sept 2015, 08:15
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26 Sept 2015, 08:15#7
 
The Goats should have walked Japan ... even without the so called "intensity" that's now being thrown at us daily.
 
It's the latest bit of hogwash used as an excuse and it'll probably be a regular feature in Moffie's posts ... much like how he's carried on and on for the last few years as to how well suited the elderly, the tired and the sick are to the physical stuff.

It's a lot of rot!!

The Japanese are not in our league. They never have been. They should not be looked at as a threat ... instead they should have been destroyed on the pitch ... waved aside ... dismissed as the nobodies they are. Minnows!!!!!

Turns out Zuma's Goats have now become the nobodies under Meyer's hand.

How things have changed.

The Goats are now facing the Samoans ... who if one is fair should also be regarded as a bunch of nobodies. Lets face it, they are not a top tier team and should easily be dismissed ... should easily be thumped by 50 points.
 
Somehow I do not think that's going to be the way of it all this afternoon.

The whole of South Africa is holding it's breath ... OVER SAMOA!!!!!!! .... laughable ... and they'll probably do the same over Scotland and the USA.

Talk about a proud rugby nation, once top of the world ... now, turned to s h i t!!!

Thanks a lot Mr Meyer.

Gooooo Samoaaa!!!



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bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Sept 2015, 09:02
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26 Sept 2015, 09:02#8

Nah Clean, I don't go along with your sentiments here! By all means, hate Meyer and his conservatism! Lord knows I am p!ssed off with the situation he has put us in, but this is still our team. For most of the players (except the geriatrics), their whole life comes down to this world cup, this one moment, and it is their one and probably only shot at the ultimate prize! For those guys, there may be individuals in the team that we don't like, but the team on the whole is still the Springboks!  


All the way boys!!!!


Bo bokke !

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Sept 2015, 09:02
#9
26 Sept 2015, 09:02#9

Nah Clean, I don't go along with your sentiments here! By all means, hate Meyer and his conservatism! Lord knows I am p!ssed off with the situation he has put us in, but this is still our team. For most of the players (except the geriatrics), their whole life comes down to this world cup, this one moment, and it is their one and probably only shot at the ultimate prize! For those guys, there may be individuals in the team that we don't like, but the team on the whole is still the Springboks!  


All the way boys!!!!


G o bokke!

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2015, 09:23
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26 Sept 2015, 09:23#10
 Everyone knows that Meyer has stuffed up, everyone accepts we should not have lost to Japan but this is not about Meyer any longer, this is about the players...our Bokke. We don't pick the team, it may not be the team you'd like but when the team steps out onto the field then as a true supporter you get behind them. It's a very sad state of affairs when so called Bok supporters act like the Cape Crusaders.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 09:25
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26 Sept 2015, 09:25#11
 I am with you on that BlueBok, stick by your team is my attitude also. Mind you it is easier supporting the ABs & Chiefs. I can understand being unhappy with team selections & the coach, etc but I would never go so far as to support the opposition & hope my team loses. 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2015, 09:48
#12
26 Sept 2015, 09:48#12
 "...I would never go so far as to support the opposition & hope my team loses."
Exactly my point.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 10:34
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26 Sept 2015, 10:34#13
 CC what a turncoat wanting the Samaoners to win. Pathetic stuff! 
What a pity we dont have available all the really dirty and dangerous incidents dished out by Samoa. In the last RWC the Boks said it was better for Samoa to have the ball so as to avoid the head high tackles etc. 
The refs must blow these guys right off the park. Hard rugby is one thing dirty stuff quite another.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 10:39
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26 Sept 2015, 10:39#14
Beeno, on this thread you will read about biting (oh wait on that was the Boks)

Link to reality 



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Sept 2015, 10:39
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26 Sept 2015, 10:39#15

I'm pleased for you, blue!! Being able to support your team through thick and thin is probably a good thing. Someone's gotta do it

When the Bulls are hot, Loftus is packed ... to the rafters ... however when the Bulls are poor, the stadium is empty.

You can hear an echo reverberating throughout the stadium when the ball is kicked and that's during an important fixture against the Stormers or the Chiefs. 

Why aren't you there?

We have become accustomed to mediocrity in this country. People are appointed by the colour of their skin and paid large salaries. Competency is no longer a factor in being appointed.

Supporting a race based team with it's enforced quota policies ... having the beloved Springbok emblem tampered with ... flipped to face the other way ... and then replaced altogether by a meaningless plant and assigned to a sleeve ... would be confirming that I am in favour of what they've done to something so special ... and in fact that I have no issues with any additional changes they may deem necessary.

If they decided that we're to have 75% of our team represented by ethnic blacks, would you still lend them your support ... would you still be saying this to me?

You go spend your hard earned dollar on purchasing their latest Springbokless WC jersey, only to watch as they're thumped by a minnow ... and beaten several times by other lesser teams during the season.

No can do, blue!! I am not that desperate.

I do not accept something just because that's all there is ... especially knowing where we came from and to what we've been reduced.

Go ahead and enjoy your "team", blue ... allow me to enjoy watching your boys get beaten.

Goooooooo Saamoa!!!!



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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2015, 10:47
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26 Sept 2015, 10:47#16
 "The Samoan players are not dirty players they are real men who play a physical game...."
Arthur John...You clearly don't know the difference between dirty and physical play and once again you sound stupid.....please don't try so hard to sound knowledgeable, you're only making a bigger Dik of yourself if that's humanly possible. . Most of what you say I ignore....consider my response a favour.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Sept 2015, 10:49
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26 Sept 2015, 10:49#17
 ...Bean Brain take it easy on CC as he can see the writing on the wall...and stop bad mouthing the Mighty Manu Samoa will ya you dopey yarpy...hopefully there will be enough boks left standing after this to play the canny Scots...will be the last game for quite a few of yr geriatrics I imagine...and Meyer will be going in to exile...
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2015, 10:53
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26 Sept 2015, 10:53#18
 CC... You led us to believe that your anti Bok stance(or Pro Samoa stance) was based on your rejection of Meyer and his poor selections.....how now has your stance suddenly become political?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 11:01
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26 Sept 2015, 11:01#19
 Oky CC I understand your position more clearly. I have felt at times I would change support to another side if this quota system and all the anc interference continues - and watch other sports like tennis aand golf where there can be no interence and where one cant really cheat.
Quite hard to think of another team to support. PI side are too dirty and very pap in the forwards.NZ and OZ cheat far far too much. Most devious and deceitful crowd ruled by the criminal gene.Poms are too arrogant if they win and take themselves far too seriously given their lack of talent.Welsh and Irish are far to smug and self important for second tier sidesFrogs are too erratic and flashy.Scotland are barely above minnow status
Argentina cheat at scrumtime.
Japs have far to many imports to supplement their short man genes. being abrave bloosom is also an embarassment.
Who else is left. Nobody really. So CC support the B oks while you still can. It is not quite midnight yet and the alternatives are too ghastly to contemplate!  



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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Sept 2015, 11:04
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26 Sept 2015, 11:04#20

...Bean Brain the Samoans are coming mate...and they're hungry..

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 11:43
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26 Sept 2015, 11:43#21
 Brother brycy the wee samoaners are moschochists and are clearly wanting yet another beating.
Lets face facts brycy. the samaoners suffered at the hands of the boks forards time and again.
Grant you we dont have Bissie and Lood playing but do you think the pap samoaners can handle the Boks forwards. We are always way to physical - I guess that is why they resort to such disgraceful dirty play!
Do your job ref blow these rugby thugs off the park. No favouring the minnows. 
Here is a nice example of samoaner rugby:

Johannesburg – The Samoan rugby team have always been known to be a little dirty (The guy is attempting to be humorous). But they took their “below-the-belt” tactics a little too far for some on Saturday in their game against the Springboks at Loftus Versfeld with fullback James So’oialo being accused of steeping a little too low for Bok vice-captain Adriaan Strauss.

Not much flusters the usually calm and collected Strauss, but So’oialo’s fiddling with his testicles at a ruck angered the Cheetahs man so much he jumped up, arms flailing, ready to have a full go at the man who dared dabble where he shouldn’t. Slow motion television replays showed Strauss berating the Samoan No15 with some choice Afrikaans words, but credit to the Bok hooker for quickly regaining his composure and settling down to help his team to an impressive 56-23 victory in the four-nation series final.(Lets hope for a simialr score today!)

It was but one of a number of unsavoury incidents in the match at Loftus Versfeld. Asked afterwards how Strauss was doing after the “ball-grabbing incident”, Bok captain Jean de Villiers simply said: “Adriaan played his balls off today.”

De Villiers handled the incident and questions about it, and others, afterwards as he usually does – with class.

The case against So’oialo, who was cited for the transgression, was on Sunday dismissed by RFU judicial officer Jeff Blackett, who deemed the contact with Strauss’ testicles as “accidental”.

“If I am to uphold this citing I must conclude that the player has lied to me. My assessment of the player is that he is honest. He immediately accepted that he had grabbed an opponent’s testicles – he did not attempt to dispute that fact – and he said there is no room in the game for insidious acts.

“Further there was no attempt to weaken the evidence given by Strauss, who himself accepted that there was probably no malicious intention. In those circumstances I determine on the balance of probabilities that the player did not intend to squeeze Strauss’ testicles, nor were his actions reckless.”

Wing Alesana Tuilagi though, was not so fortunate at his hearing. He was banned for two weeks after his dangerous stiff-arm tackle on De Villiers. Asked if there was a lot of malice in the game, De Villiers said: “No, I don’t think so. The Lord sent his angels to look after me.” He was, of course, also referring to the fact that he entered the game under an injury cloud after struggling with a sternum injury all of last week. “I honestly don’t know how I got through that. A lot was said about the physicality of the Samoans and what we’d be up against, but I think we won that battle.”(We always win the physcality battle but lose the dirty play battle)

Samoan prop Logovi’i Mulipoli was also a lucky chap on Saturday after spending 10 minutes in the sin-bin for a first half transgression, and then escaping a second yellow card in the second half, which would have become a red, for kicking out at Coenie Oosthuizen, while No 9 Jeremy Su’a also escaped major punishment after he was caught on camera making contact with his boot on the face of Francois Louw at a ruck. – The Star 
Without a shadow of doubt the samaons are the dirtiest palyers in world rugby. In then physicality stakes they dont really rate and these two things should not be confudes by brother v brycy and other kbbs.
The participation of the smaoaners is linmited to helping their rugby colonial masters nz by injuring as many Boks as possible via DIRTY play.
If they repea t their 2011 RWC antics they should be banned for 4 years.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 11:49
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26 Sept 2015, 11:49#22
Beeno: you may have missed this response so for your convenience here it is again (click on the link. I am sure it will enlighten you
Just_win
 
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September 26, 2015, 10:39:18

Beeno, on this thread you will read about biting (oh wait on that was the Boks)



Link to reality 




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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:00
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26 Sept 2015, 12:00#23
 ...JW , there's a long list of documented incidents involving biting as you say, flying elbows, stomping, eye gouging, cheap shots  etc etc which makes anyone accusing the Mighty Samoans of being dirty look like hypocrites of the highest order...dopey stuff from Bean Brain and Dense..
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:04
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26 Sept 2015, 12:04#24
 I like Samoa, and I have enjoyed seeing them play well the pasy few years, but it's a grim reality that the Islanders are the dirtiest players in the world by far. In order I would rank them:
1.Tonga2.Samoa3.New Zealand4.Fiji
Interestingly enough Fiji are nowhere near as dirty. A product of beibg Malenesian and not Polynesian? Who knows, but there is clearly something different. I don't think it's cultural.
As for Meyer being conservative? I don't understanf where anyone could arrive at that conclusion. Clearly fans are struggling to follow the game because Meyer has been very radical in his game plan and changing core elements of it from week to week. He ia currently the only Bok coach ever to tailor a game plan towards individuals! He opened up the running game in 2012 for Goosen and had Taute and Kirchner running beautiful lines all game. He played a more defensive approach with Lambie at 10 on the EOYT that year and in 2013 employed a very open game using our forwards as decoys and the speed of our back three was unleashed bu those long passes by Morne and Du Preez. He also addressed our breakdown woes. Meyer rhen applies power rugby on that EOYT. In 2014 we struggles for fluency because of injuries but the combo of Jean and Serf settled our defence and our pack played itself into form and we played a more open game that year as well. 2014 EOYT saw a return to the defensive style of 2012 but we had our halfbacks dominated. Ironically the Ireland test was our beat performance on tour but Meyer made the knee jerk reaction of playing Reinach and Lambie and our tour fell apart because of it. In 2015 Meyer overhauled our entire gameplan with the most attacking style I have ever seen by any Bok side. Multi layered plays excellent decoy running anf a clear plan on every phase. I was very impressed by this but wr lacked the defense to really back this style up as Damian and to a far lesser extent Kriel folded and cost is tests. Meyer also employed a triple fetching threat which was the first of its kind for the Boks, ever. We attuggled primarily because of our centres, poor defense and a lack of effective ball carriers. The persistence of Lambie hasn't helped at all. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:11
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26 Sept 2015, 12:11#25
 JW nobody denies there have been rare moments when the Mighty Boks have been severely provoked and done something wrong. The difference is these incidents dont happen often.With the dirty samaoaners they happen numerous times each match. Hence they are the most dirty side in world rugby by some distance from the wee abs etc.
Beeno setting the record straight for the befuddled kbbs like poor JW and brother brycy.Thankfully we have not yet seen the appearance of the dof warped DUD and ab ass - these two worthies have no clue whatsoever!
Whilst the conniving abs are taught to serially cheat the samaoners are taught to play dirty. Heaven help all concerned if they also learn the bad ways of the kiwis! 
I do hope Justin Marshall pulls the plug on the samaoners. Him speaking out would mean a lot in helping to rid the game of these thugs who lack the physicality to compete.



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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:20
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26 Sept 2015, 12:20#26
 ...JW, sounds like a new excuse is evolving to explain away a loss to Samoa... pity Meyer's coaching career is coming to a dead end short of a miracle..
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:21
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26 Sept 2015, 12:21#27
Samoans tackle hard & enjoy doing so, that is different from biting, eye gouging, testicle squeezing (which the French are well know for). 

Anyway, the focus is on the upcoming game & not to provide counselling for a bok fan who is anxious about past imagined Samoan wrong doings
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:32
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26 Sept 2015, 12:32#28
 ...Bean Brain advise yr players to avoid running into TJ Iaone, Matu'u. Trerviraynus to name a few if they know what's good for their health.. I suspect Baboon Bismark has been left out of the team to cut down on the yellow carding he is notorious for ??..can cost  a team dearly having liabilities like him in the team as Georgia found out today conceding three tries in ten minutes..
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:34
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26 Sept 2015, 12:34#29
 The imagined wrong doings are in print above.Read, comprehend and get confusion sorted JW. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:40
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26 Sept 2015, 12:40#30
 Brother brycy the one player I dont expect the pap samoaners to target is pap matfiled. He is a blood brother I guess! 
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Sept 2015, 12:48
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26 Sept 2015, 12:48#31
 ...Willy Le Roux will have to be at his v best...and at least a loss to Samoa will go largely unnoticed , overshadowed by the main game England vs Wales if that's any consolation - although the SH game should be a much better spectacle.. .more big hits...
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:06
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26 Sept 2015, 13:06#32
 Bryce, yes, starting to sound like pregame excuses - sadly I have to agree. Never thought I would see the day when Bok  fans would worry about hard hitting. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:17
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26 Sept 2015, 13:17#33
 Nobody worries about the legal tackles of the samoaners - its the head high stiff just under the kneck and sliding up that could kill someone.
Lets hope the samoaners except their beating as men and dont resort to illegal dirty play. I guess they think they are warriors and loosing all the time gets to them?  
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:28
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26 Sept 2015, 13:28#34
 SA have not their backs to the wall.
Nobody has when they face a team that cant be seen as a winner.

Samoa winning that thing would put a severe dent in SA's qualification chances.
It is not an outcome desired by many people in the world rugby sphere.

TVs, world rugby personal, players etc would lose SA to gain Samoa instead?
Time for a reality check.

If things go wrong, SA can rely on a favourable interpretation of the rules by the ref to help them out.

Refs themselves have an incentive in providing advantages to SA. The more money in rugby, the more they get paid.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:33
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26 Sept 2015, 13:33#35
 Tradionalist at the last RWC world cup we saw the most cynical dispaly of dirty rugb y perhaps ever seen on a filed of paly by the samoaners agai nst the Boks. The ref did zip about it why?
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:43
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26 Sept 2015, 13:43#36

.. Bean Brain, at least you have yr religion to fall back on if the Samoans kick yr butt...whereas there will be those that rugby is their religion who will take it v hard...

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:51
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26 Sept 2015, 13:51#37
 brother brycy and JW a 20 point win will have to do given the unfortunate circumstances we find oursleves in and all Saffas must just accept we were ill prepared for this world cup.Lets just give the wee samoaners a severe snotklap and move on.
These chest beating samoaner blowhards are a tiresome bunch you have to admit. Needing endless corrections  
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Sept 2015, 16:08
#38
26 Sept 2015, 16:08#38
 The ref did zip about it why?

In 2011, the match SA vs Samoa happened as the last match of the group stage.

The financial interests of the rugby world were not threatened, SA was already qualified.

The ref could not care less.

That is the reason why.

The qualification of a team with no financial weight over a team with financial weight can only be a threat when it can happen.

In 2011, it could not happen.

In 2015, it can happen. Refs should not be expected to behave the same.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
27 Sept 2015, 07:25
#39
27 Sept 2015, 07:25#39
Denny you are one ignorant bigot.
BE gone you midget.
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