This centre pairing can't win the WC

Poor reading comprehension, poor cognitive ability, and an inability to avoid chewing on its own feet. Mrs Searle and son drowning once more. Damian didn't win us a World Cup in 2015, as predicted - actually contributed massively to our exit, and didn't contribute to a Bok win four years later. How utterly clueless can one be? What do we have now? The clown show continuing to find that Damian hasn't contributed any more positively to the Bok cause. 

Probably not, if Biggar had simply tackled him instead of trying to hold him up and strip the ball, Wales may very well have won.

Thanks for pointing out how close Harrassmiss came to exiting against a puny Welsh team.

And thanks to Biggar Wales lost that semi… his shortcomings were greater than Dud’s merits.

Did a try result or was it just random tractoring. Hell when Ringrose knocked himself out on Dud’s hip Dud was standing dead still. Occasionally somebody bounces off this immobile object, but it’s all a nothing burger.

And nothing happened because he simply ran into the next obstacle. This from Frank Sinatra described it well

Once there was a silly old ram.

Thought he'd punch a hole in a dam.

No one could make that ram, scram.

  He kept buttin' that dam.

'Cause he had high hopes, he had high hopes. 
He's got high apple pie, in the sky hopes.

But Dave Dud’s career is now 75 tests and he has scored 10 tries, mostly against minnows. If our centres aren’t going to score tries who is….our hookers from mauls? Adi Jacobs who you despise played in 34 tests and scored 7 tries…a 50% higher rate than Dud.

The same would be even truer of try assists. He appears to be competitive, but it doesn’t help us to score tries.

Mozart

This item showed tat you, were total BS thinking  8 years a go and still is.   It was no different from then to now.   You are too prejudiced n 2015 as you are now.    

Lets just g et it clear - the factor that lost us totally in that year was die to a clueless coach has nothing  to do with a defective center combination - it was a clueless coach who selected totally useless and unplayable selection of  aa WC squad who lost against of all players that lost their mojo in 2011 already and was  picked in such a way that the squad had at least 8 unplayable players - some of whom played no rugby for up to 16 months.   

You were too stupid and pejudicced then to make a  logical conclusion.    Let me just remnd you - one of the players was a rugby great in 2007 - but suffered a career-eding injury against Wales and was forced into returning  to play six month s later - De  Villiers - played against Argentina in Durban and was useless - was selected  in the first WC test against JA PAN and was a failure - was playing in the 2015 WC match against Samoa - suffered another injury and was out of rugby permanently.   The other missing  center from the squad was Fourie.   He together was the number 1 selection at 13 of Meyer,   He tiurned up in  the Sringbok camp in early June 2015 and was so fat and unfot that it would be impossible to get him back to fitness in another two months.    

So what was Meyer\s solution he picked De Allende and Kriel - who nevcer played as a center combination before to play in 2 of the 3 Rugby Championship tests - the third one De Viliiers playd in and he failed badly together with the other fossils he selected and the S pringboks lost the D urban test against Argentna

You, conveniently forgot that the players who were a key to SA winning the WC in 2019 were the key players mou criticized in 2013 and 2014 endlessly and it is now 2013 and you are  still carrying  on with the  shit you spread ten ymears ago.    The 2015 loss stemmed from the shit selections of Meyer - nothing else.   

He selected layers who retired from rugby in 2011 and they were all failures in 2015.     At the end of the WC Meyer's con tract ended and he announced that h e hopes to get the contract renewed.   SARU told him he must not bother to apply for renewal of his contract and it would not considered.   He end up leaving SA rugby  and ended up coaching Stade Francais - where he came close to destroying the club and was fired together with two of h is key players Alberts and Steymn.   Back in SA he became a Bank Clerk,   A nice person - but a riugby ignoramus. 

Meyer was replaced by Coetzee - an even worse coach than Meyer - and he was fired and went to Japan where he nearly destroyed his club ala Meyer style and was fired,   

When SARU replaced  Coetzee with Meyer the typical Mozart BS  kicked in.   You lied about Erasmus coaching history and went ballistic/    The doomsday forecast of Erasmus went on ever since.    I think that you  know less about rugby than Erasmus'  toenail does..   As is the case with some players - so is your knowledge of coaching and since 2019 the lies and distortions on your part worsened.

S o why not be quiet and not continue to make a fool of yourself on a continuous basis?   

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Nope the players that won the RWC were the Beast, Vermeulen, Faf, Pollard, Kolbe and Willie. The Duds were interested observers, although Dud Toit was effective in frightening poor little Georgie Ford

But the players who lost the 2015 WC were your favorites Lomp and Dud Allende. And the player who lost the Japan test was Kriel.

See you don’t have to write a book to blow up a stupid  argument. 

Mozart

You, keep repeating  prejudiced BS on site.   The pair th at neutralized the English  backline were Du Toit and  De Allende   The Welsh  could have won the amtch was it not for the try scored by D De Allende n the sem.

Rugby experts made Du Toit the player of the year - so that showed how myou spread BS continueously.   By the way D u Toit made a major contribution to Kolbe's try.

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So I know facts aren’t your thing. But here are the facts.

1 On defence 

Dud Toit 11tackles/3 missed

Dud Allende  7 tackles made/2 missed

Mostert 15 tackles made/0 missed.

Dud Allende did nothing of note defensively. Dud Toit was effective because Ford was too frozen to step his bull like rushes.

2 Scoring tries.. .. our tries were scored by Mapimpi and Kolbe. Am made a brilliant offload for Mapimpi’s try….Dud Toit a standard pass for Kolbe’s try, Kolbe did all the work.

3 Penalties….Pollard landed his first 6 penalties before any tries were scored, effectively winning the match. Four of those penalties came from old man Coles who was destroyed by the Beast. 

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The WC was won because of the defensive stand, credit the whole team. And because the Beast destroyed the Pom scrum and Pollard, who you always disparaged, had the nerve to make them pay every time.

So now you know how the WC was won.

Tuilagi has scored 18 tries in 45 tests. Dud Allende has played 75 tests…..so if we extrapolate Manu to 75 tests at the same scoring rate he would  have scored 30 tries…..Dud has scored 10.

I rest my case.

Tuilagi should have been put out to pasture years ago. 

I know.

Your shit does not deserve an answer.

The logic is correct….if Dud scored 10 tries as an inside centre, we would have expected an outside centre to score 20 tries.

If we assume Tuilagi was a hybrid inside/outside center…50/50…we would have expected him to score 15 tries if he played the same number of tests as Dud. But in effect adjusting his actual tries (18) for the Allende test count he scored 30 tries.

What I will concede is the ESPN data is all over the place and the calculation favors Dud because he played a lower percentage of his tests off the bench. Also in looking at Tuilagi he probably played 80% of his games as a 13. Dud also played a few games at 13 which would marginally lower his number.

All in all if the Dud rate was 10 I’d say the Tuilagi rate should be about 18….but it’s 30.clearly he is scoring tries at a much higher rate than Dud.

Well I’m sure Harrassmiss will choose him…so let’s hope for the best. The WC will be less compelling  for all of us if we don’t make the finals,

Plum, you're wrong...we are a better team than in 2019...way better...and France isn't that much better than the Poms or ABs of 2019...we're in with a good chance...better than you think...the Irish might have something to say in the final, but France will regret shafting SA to host the RWC...fck them!...hulle gaan hard k@k volgende naweek...unless a ref screw us over...

It’s the same team but 4 years older…..how do you conclude we are way better?

At average 31?

"It’s the same team but 4 years older…..how do you conclude we are way better?"

If you can't  see it , I can't  help you...2019 team wouldn't have put 30 on any Allblack team...can you seriously not see how good this team is?....we almost beat the best Irish team ever without trying too hard...the first Irish team who went to beat NZ in NZ in a test series ...this is the best Bok team we ever sent to a RWC...your hatred...yes, a strong word...your hatred for Rassie clouds your judgement...totally clouds your judgement...you come up with the silliest things...unless you really lost your marbles and don't know much about rugby at all...

So are you suggesting our 2019 team would have lost to that Irish team.

Willie>Willemse

Kriel19<Arendse

Am>Kriel

Dud Allende 19= Dud Allende 23

Kolbe 19> Kolbe 23

Pollard19>Pollard23

Faf 19>Faf23

Beast > Kitshoff

Bongi 19> Bongi 23

Malherbe 19>Malherbe 23

Etzebeth 19= Etzebeth 23

Lomp 19< Mostert23

Du Toit 19> Dud Toit 23

Kolisi 19= Kolisi23

Vermeulen19>Wiese

So I count 10 positions where our 2019 versions were better, 2 where the 2023 players get the nod and 3 that are even.

Our tactics, when it counts, are the same and our opponents are far more prepared for our tactics…witness Ireland

So how are we better ….so much for losing my marbles

it's not a math equation...if you refuse to see what's right in front of you, I won't change your mind.

PS....a team is not the sum of the parts...