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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
05 Nov 2015, 11:52
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05 Nov 2015, 11:52#1
 

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Predict the scores and win with Land RoverRWC Fantasy gameWorld Cup stadiums Rating our Bok World Cup squadby Brenden Nel 05 November 2015, 08:37

It was Springbok defence coach John McFarland who said third place at the Rugby World Cup was “acceptable”.

Many South African rugby fans may not agree, and expect more from their national side. But now that the World Cup is over, and the review is to be done, we take a longer look at the players, giving them their own report card and analyzing who were the Bok flops and which players starred for the Green and Gold.

All marks are done out of 10, and take into account the player’s contribution both on and off the field in the World Cup context.

PLAYER RATING

Willie le Roux – 4

Perhaps the most disappointing player in the Bok team given his reputation. Le Roux has had a forgetful year and has departed from his normal expansive style. From a player who would dazzle and mesmerize he is now as predictable as can be and was caught out several times out of position from the back during the tournament. The Welsh try in the quarterfinal was just one example, while his tactical kicking simply wasn’t good. A player who was expected to ignite the Boks during the tournament, only served to disappoint.

Zane Kirchner – 5

Solid at the back, Kirchner only played against Japan and the loss wasn’t really his fault in any way. Didn’t get the opportunity to impress further as the shine was immediately taken off by the shock result.

JP Pietersen – 6

A hat-trick against Samoa and almost an intercept against the All Blacks, Pietersen did well for the entire campaign, and certainly held his own. On defence a star who covered all the bases, possibly could have done more if the Bok game plan was better.

Bryan Habana – 7

Equalling Jonah Lomu’s record will always go down as a milestone for the winger and he showed that while he has lost pace, the tryline still is his biggest passion. But as good as he was, the record wasn’t too be as he fluffed several chances once he drew even to deny himself a place in history, and had a bit of a shocker in the Bronze final

Lwazi Mvovo – 5

Hard to fault Mvovo for his effort as he played only one game against Japan. The Bok loss and his background influence meant he was a passenger for most of the rest of the tournament.

Jesse Kriel – 6

Kriel made 10 clean breaks, and equaled Habana in this department but would have received a higher accolade if he had done more with his opportunities and not shirked his defence at times. The final try by Japan to win the game came as a result of him going high, while in the Bronze final he also missed a few too many tackles. A great talent going forward, but perhaps more suited at fullback?

Damian de Allende – 7

As good as De Allende was, and he was very good in the entire tournament, he perhaps suffered from his inability to get the rest of the backline moving. Whether by design or instruction, De Allende was good on attack and defence, but hardly ever passed the ball. Still looking good going forward.

Jean de Villiers - 5

While he was a sensational ambassador off the field, De Villiers was a shadow of his former self on the field and his early departure was harsh but perhaps good as it left the young paring together for the tournament.

Jan Serfontein – 5

Unfairly criticised when he was brought over in place of De Villiers as coach Heyneke Meyer was simply replacing a 12 for a 12, Serfontein never really had enough time to make an impression beyond solid

Pat Lambie – 6

Can hardly be faulted on tour and grabbed his milestone 50th cap in the Bronze final, but never really had enough game time to impose himself properly

Handre Pollard – 7

Good goal-kicking and options during the tournament, but suffered in terms of controlling the game, exits and perhaps at times his tactical kicking. A great prospect for the future who should grow as long as he works on his tactical kicking going forward.

Morne Steyn – 5

Played for 20 minutes in the tournament, hardly a chance to show his worth.

Fourie du Preez – 8

Stepped into the captaincy with ease and led from the front. Crucial try against Wales was good enough to put Boks into semis, but not even the talisman could get them through to the final. Du Preez struggled with a back injury and missed the final game with a cheekbone that was badly bruised and concussion. A great servant of SA Rugby who will be missed.

Ruan Pienaar – 5

Despite a decent first half in the Bronze final, never has really looked comfortable in a Bok jersey. Solid and uncompromising, Pienaar remains an enigma in Bok rugby.

Rudy Paige – 6

Given limited game time, Paige looked slick vs USA and should have had more game time vs Argentina. Can feel proud of his uncompromising and infectious positivity around the side.

Duane Vermeulen 8

Still the heart and soul of the side and certainly excelled during the World Cup. But perhaps a point or two off the pace he wanted to be. Still organised the defence to a tee and hugely influential in the Bok side.

Schalk Burger 9

Burger was like fine wine, maturing with age and while some may have question-marks about his first receiver status, the loose forward simply was everywhere and involved in everything. A stellar performance by the Bok veteran.

Francois Louw 8

One of the unsung heroes of the Boks. Started slowly but quickly found himself in the forefront of the Bok assault. Second most turnovers in the tournament tells a big story.

Willem Alberts 6

Alberts had the Boks on tenterhooks early on in the competition regarding his fitness and while he came back and was good against Wales, perhaps didn’t have the impact we all know he can have.

Siya Kolisi – 5

Only receives the average mark because he didn’t have many opportunities and should have seen a bit more game time.

Pieter-Steph du Toit – 5

Perhaps one of the other disappointments in the team, given the hype about him. To be fair he had limited opportunities but will continue to grow in a Bok jersey.

Eben Etzebeth 8

Another unsung hero for the Boks who was everywhere in the Bronze final and how he didn’t win the man of the match award only World Rugby will know. Exceptional player with unbelievable heart.

Lood de Jager 9

The Bok player of the tournament who comprises everything the Green and Gold should be. Impressive both on and off the field. Player of the campaign for the Springboks.

Victor Matfield - 5

While when Matfield was on the field his workrate wasn't in question, the untimely hamstring injury that robbed him of playing in other games actually worked out well for the Boks as Lood de Jager stepped to the fore. His ignorance of coaching instructions against Japan wasn’t his best moment, and while he remains a Bok great, will probably want to forget the 2015 edition of the Rugby World Cup

Jannie du Plessis 6

Solid on the field and a part of the rock in the scrums, was eventually overshadowed by the younger Frans Malherbe who excelled in the setpiece. Early yellow cards also saw him being dropped from the starting line-up as he struggled with injury.

Frans Malherbe 8

One of the finds of the tournament, Malherbe grew from strength to strength and looked exceptionally good in the scrum, and grew in stature as the tournament continued. A good look towards the future for the Boks.

Coenie Oosthuizen 5

One appearance against Japan and a yellow card to boot, Oosthuizen was never a factor on the field for the Boks.

Tendai Mtawarira 6

A sturdy performance from the man they call beast. Ever solid, never spectacular and he looks tired and overplayed. Should do well from the rest.

Trevor Nyakane 8

Always looked good when he came on the field, strong in the scrum and everywhere in the loose. Should possibly have received more game time and more starts in the campaign.

Adriaan Strauss 8

The form hooker in the tournament for the Boks, looked solid and firey when he came on and sparked the bench. Perhaps should have started?

Bismarck du Plessis 6

Strangely dropped after the Japan game after an ostensible fallout in the post mortem of the game, Du Plessis never came close to the form we know he can be in. Always good, he never quite reached the heights of former tests

Schalk Britz 6

Never had much say on the field, but always smiling off the field and gave some great interviews. As a third hooker did his job in keeping motivated and certainly the joker of the pack.

All in all as individuals few had shockers during the tournament. The problem perhaps was as a unit they failed to fire when they needed to, good in defence but never showed the flair necessary in attack to win the tournament.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
05 Nov 2015, 11:57
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05 Nov 2015, 11:57#2
 I tend to agree with most of the above but especially the bit about Willie...

"A player who was expected to ignite the Boks during the tournament, only served to disappoint."
Then also the bit about Coenie..."Oosthuizen was never a factor on the field for the Boks"
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Nov 2015, 18:29
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05 Nov 2015, 18:29#3

...So if Kirchner gets a 5 and Le Roux gets a 4, why didn't Kirchner play any more games after that historic loss to Japan ?...with Kirchner at fullback who knows if SA would have progressed past pool stages ..

...but really, is it Le Roux's fault that the rest of the backline is rubbish and can't score tries...?

...and how many tries did Habana bumble to qualify for a 7 ?..


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Nov 2015, 22:35
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05 Nov 2015, 22:35#4
 So the boneheads expect Willei to function in a backloine coached not to have any creativity and falir. Bwahahahhahahaha how absurd. Now we have dom brycy suggesti ng kirchner is the better fullback. It gets dafter and dafter.
Willie is a great player suffering from Meyer's dom rugby.
Certain oaks need to note the ratings given to Malherbe, Lood, Schalk and Louw. 
Criticism of Allende and Kriel can be dismissed out of hand because of meyer's dom rugby. Blame the coach.



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WardadPro6,663 posts
05 Nov 2015, 23:08
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05 Nov 2015, 23:08#5
 You know about creativity doncha beandorkus , your always making sh!t up are you not ?
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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
05 Nov 2015, 23:55
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05 Nov 2015, 23:55#6
 Beeno good t o see the rose colouring of the single lens of your glasses that covers your single eye can be turned off and on at will depending on the situation.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Nov 2015, 00:48
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06 Nov 2015, 00:48#7
Lood best Bok on show - agreed 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Nov 2015, 01:36
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06 Nov 2015, 01:36#8
 But..erm....Beeno.....Willie was crap t'out the Rugby Championships. Can't see how Meyer is to be blamed for that as well.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Nov 2015, 03:10
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06 Nov 2015, 03:10#9
I agree with some of this eg he got Kriel right. He rather missed the point on Allende and he totally missed Lomp's poor games in the knockouts. I'd give him 5 out of 10.  
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Nov 2015, 03:26
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06 Nov 2015, 03:26#10
" ...but really, is it Le Roux's fault that the rest of the backline is rubbish and can't score tries...?"
No it's not.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Nov 2015, 13:32
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06 Nov 2015, 13:32#11
 A backline not coached to bring creativity or flair? Players are supposed to bring flair themselves. Creativity is a word people who don't understand rugby use to describe the technical aspects of attacks they see from the likes of New Zealand. New Zealand rugby sees what we call creativity as nuts and bolts to be pieced together. Meyer implemented patterns and plays but the players could not produce so we ended with a more restrained approach in the knockout stages and Scottish test. In the Aussie test we were running almost identical patterns and plays throughout the match, were was the production? Is that Meyer's fault that players have no spacial awareness, decision making ability, pattern read ability or the skills and execution to make things happen? This isn't the very limited damage limitation gameplan of 2009-2011. Or the defensive system blunders of the same period. Meyer has continually tailored his gameplan to suit the individual's abilities within his systems. He gave Damian space earlier on, with Kriel and Pollard imitating the work Cat and de Jongh were doing in the Super XV, the same work off pods as the Stormers as well. A couple of times in the red zone against Australia he ran identical plays to what the Stormers used throughout the Super XV, how many Damian fans picked that one up? Can any of you tell me how that ended up? So it showed that Damian could not be effective in a "creative" capacity, just as I foretold by merely reading play throughout the Super XV instead of being a sheep.

Du Toit (4)
Lood (5 )
Damian (6)
Kriel (6)
Alberts (5)
Willie (7)

That's fair and accurate. Willie did more than the rest of that group of players throughout the competition. So irrespective of whatever errors he made, he was more productive. The knockout stages were a tragedy by Lood, Damian and Kriel. All three were dominated. Lood isn't even close to being the best Bok. Schalk, Du Preez, JP, Duane, Pollard, Habana, Damian, Louw all contributed far more. So much more it isn't even finny. Lood was limp to say the least.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Nov 2015, 13:34
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06 Nov 2015, 13:34#12
 And Lamebie a 2. Outplayed and outclassed with everything he did. The worst and most humiliating showing in Bok rugby against Japan but gets a 6? With no mention of his shallow showing? Yet more bias. Has never outplayed an opposing 10 in his entire senior test career. Never seen him do it a Super level either.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Nov 2015, 13:40
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06 Nov 2015, 13:40#13
 
Hey Dumb Fcuk ... how about listing your match 23 for us.

All I've ever seen you post ... apart form the Morne Steyn stupidity ... is criticism of others and their preferences ... oh and the history of New Zealand's national animal ... still chuckling about that one by the way.

Come now, Dumb Fcuk ... let's have it.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Nov 2015, 13:43
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06 Nov 2015, 13:43#14
 DF
Back with your stndard crap - always wrong about players and persisted with that stupidity.   That is DF all over.  
Still missing Fat Fransie - are you?   He is the worst center in SA - but yoiu want him in the team and therefore constantly try and rubbish De Allende.  And the same applies to De Jager - hell you are too dim to express and opinion on rugby issues. 
The players you rate are hopeless cases - the players you do not rate cause egg in your face all the time - the players you rate has unfortunately the same affect as a result of being piss poor.  
Does De Allende still have poor upper body strength?  you must have been desperately stupid to come with that one.  And the balls De Allende got were poor because your stupid coach devised a game plan where the flyhalf role was taken over by Burger and you expect a backline to function with that stupidity.  
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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Nov 2015, 13:46
#15
06 Nov 2015, 13:46#15
 Claydawg your just confusing the wee pinhead I'm afraid .Keep it up and you may get cited for being mean to one of mother natures sillier monkeys bro .....
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Nov 2015, 15:08
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06 Nov 2015, 15:08#16
Spot the irony:

"Yet more bias. Has never outplayed an opposing 10 in his entire senior test career. Never seen him do it a Super level either."

LMAO!

Must admit, Desert Fool's complete lack of self-awareness does bring some much-needed comic relief to the board. The biggest idiot is the one who takes himself the most seriously!

Desert Fool, here's some friendly and well-meaning advice for you . . . just some instructions on where you can shove your opinion . . .




Hope that helps.

 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Nov 2015, 15:13
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06 Nov 2015, 15:13#17
An excellent example of your mindset, you are sick.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Nov 2015, 15:17
#18
06 Nov 2015, 15:17#18
Oh look, it's the world's ugliest human being yapping for my attention again.

Dense, the instructions above apply just as well to you as they do to Desert Fool. Please take note and follow the steps carefully. Thanks in advance.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Nov 2015, 15:28
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06 Nov 2015, 15:28#19
 Why would anyone be yapping for the attention of a Sicko.. Huh?
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